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Sandhaikku vantha kili, one of those made for Rajini dances that perfectly suited him, plus plays along very well with the percussion. One of later day strongest performances from Rajini.
app, Nerd sonna mathiri antha pAtta miss pannAthengga. As usual, like CT or not, like your write-up and appreciation for it.
Sometimes I wonder how we define hits. For example, it is widely accepted that after Roja, till 1998 and KMari, Raja didn't have an authentic hit. Yet, down south, among the discerning folk(!) of Madurai and suththupattis, Albums like Aranmanai Kili and Nadodi Thendral were huge, monstrous hits. Even in late 2000s, you could hear these songs reverberating in Madurai streets as though were the latest hits. Or indeed timeless classics. Nary a shred of Kaadhalukku Mariyaadhai I heard during these late 2000s. So wherefrom the claim comes that from 92 until 98, Raja didn't have a "genuine" hit? From the MTMDevans and Chennai-is-TN folks for whom until Kaadhalukku Mariyaadhai, there was no cigar.
Plum one example: Veera (1994) was a super hit album. was not KM released in 1997?
Yeah 1997 but the point remains. It is good app is doing this series - even I have been guilty of lazily claiming the "KM is sooper hit after 5 years for Raja" theory. Ippo thirumbi pArthaa dhaanE theriyudhu - namma dhaan sariyaa analyse paNNAma vittirukkOm.
Going by this definition, Maine Pyar Kiya and Hum Aapke Hain Koun are much bigger hits. I have heard HAHK songs in rural areas (like Marriage function etc) in Coimbatore district during that time. But they are "pretty average" and their popularity is more to do with movie's success not the songs themselves. The same logic applies to CT.Quote:
Originally Posted by venkkiram
Nerd - you have a great point. Who are these people that made CT such a big hit?
Same people who made roja, aasai etc superhit eh? If your defn is "genesisku pidikkala so flop" then maybe it was flop. Ungalukku(enakkum kooda) pidikkalainaa flop aayidumaa? Ennayyaa logic idhu?oru velai enakku edhu pudikkalaiyo naan thoongiduven concept apply panningalo? :think:
#339 ஆணென்ன பெண்ணென்ன
(தர்மதுரை, 1991)
ANenna peNNenna of dharmadurai
Yet another hit song from Dharmadurai to which more credit should be given to the Rajinikanth factor than the combo effect of the thread-nAyaks . Honestly, I didn't even know which song this movie was from, before attempting this compilation - even though I've heard it many times on buses and otherwise PA systems. Never paid serious attention, however, as the first line of the lyric used to turn me off. (So, didn't pay close attention to the singing / orch etc - it wouldn't have mattered to me if someone said this was another Chandrabose song from that time period for Rajinikanth - like 'manidhan manidhan' or 'vAnaththappAththEn bhoomiyappAththEn').
Never a big fan of 'thaththuva songs' post Kavingar - regardless of who the composer & lead actor pairs were. Some had interesting lines without doubt but IMHO the era for such songs was over with MGR-Sivaji days and the "director-led" KH-RK movies are better off without such numbers (except in some fun situations such as 'rAman ANdAlum'). Well, movies like kAkkichchattai & murattukkALai etc cannot be called "director-led" for obvious reasons, even then such songs were not welcome for me :-)
But, I'm not complaining - IR / SPB combo got one more hit to their count and that should make this thread happy :-)
#340 காதல் கவிதைகள் படித்திடும் நேரம்
(கோபுர வாசலிலே, 1991 , சித்ராவுடன்)
'kAdhal kavidhaikaL padiththidum nEram' from gOpura vAsalilE
It's an interesting song, despite the irritating 'lovable idiot' start. With delectable string sections and a background arrangement like meenammA meenammA, the song is quite a "running fast" kind. SPB & KSC excel in their singing of a very sweet melody. A rAsA-special melody, that is catchy as well as complex - especially the saraNam part. It gets so good in the middle of the saraNam where IR possibly conformed to the rAgA specs while also innovating within that framework (experts to clarify).
Interestingly, I've never heard about this movie or this song when this was supposedly hot in TN. 1991 being a year when so much was happening on the personal front, I'm not surprised that a remake didn't get my attention. (Don't ask me 'how do you know it was a remake' - I simbly assumed that -seeing Priyadharshan as the director...had it been Lal, I would've told 'dubbed movie' but the hero is Karthik here and hence the 'remake' assumption).
I came across this song only in the new millennium here in amErikkA- when some disk from a relative had it. Since that relative is not a HCIRF, I assumed that the song was a hit in TN :wink: Though I like this song very much, my most fav from the album is the SJ special 'thAlAttum poongARRu' - what a sweety!
Looking back, I'm surprised that I missed a Priyadharshan-IR venture of 1991 altogether, while living in Kerala :shock: That too with him being a fav director to me during the late-80's - with those sweet movies having Lalettan - Chithram / vandhanam / veLLAnakaLude nAdu & kilukkam. Since we're featuring for the first time a song directed by the h/o Lissy chEchi, I should mention a couple of words about him...
Along with Sathyan AnthikkAd, Priyadharshan should be given credits for bringing smile on the faces of Malayalees when watching movies! I don't think anyone would be outraged by this statement, as most movies prior to the 80's were dead serious, azhuva moonji kinds predominantly. Even the songs - if not sOgam, they were extremely serious mostly.
All those changed with the advent of these two directors in combination with Lal & Srinivasan (along with some sweet & sensitive movies by Fazil).
That didn't mean that Priyan's movies were all slapsticks / comedies. They could turn dead-serious pretty quickly, even leaving one with a lump in the throat on many occasions. Since I encourage everyone to watch the four movies listed above by Priyan, I won't post spoilers here - those are great movies with excellent comical & serious moments and some superb performances by the actors. Not to be missed!
Likewise, please don't post spoilers of gOpura vAsalilE here :oops: I plan to watch it someday...unless somebody names the original and I know that I had already watched that one :-)
I'll try to post 2 songs each day during this week (only) to catch up :-)
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Originally Posted by groucho070
nanRi Nerd & groucho!
Cool Plum. I am not disputing whether CT is flop or hit. Nerd had pointed many if not all hubbers here hated CT movie and wondering who made it a hit!! It looks like the people who made it a hit are not visiting this forum or ashamed to admit it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
App, writing this as another Rip Van Winkle, I strongly recommend that the 'someday' take place this week! GV was one of the nicest, easy on the heart 80s/90s movies that I caught. The story was modern enough wihtout being too jazzy, had a nice small town events feel to it. I guess it might have been the locations around Ooty/Kodaikanal(confirm?) that won my heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
Pull off a 10 hour workday, have family time, then kick your shoes off and watch this movie with coffee and popcorn. I love my movies better after a hard day's work :)
Gopura VaasalilE, wow! One of my favoritest soundtracks of Raaja (Songs + BGM). What lovely songs, each one of them. And the movie is a favorite of mine as well. Seen it multiple times on (Trichy, Sona IIRC) big screen when it released and will see it each time they telecast it on TV for some reason. App, please do watch the film at least for Raaja's lovely BG score. But its a pity that you don't have any of your personal memories associated with this album :-(
The loveable idiot phrase is so much intertwined with the opening strings that its never irritating for me. And I always go to madhura marikkozhunthu vaasam after this song. They both sound a little similar (the charanams esp). Same raaga? Super song. Super album :-D :-D :-D
Plum, I really must reiterate that the word HIT has been hijacked by forums like these which focus on the composer and less on the merits of an album.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Hit according to these online forums = Popular album by Composer A with no real decent album from Composers B, C and D.
As a result in these pages you wont find Raja having a decent year in 1994(what about Veera, Walter Vetrivel, Valli?), 1993(Ejamaan, Uzhaippali, Ponnumani, Marupadiyum) or 1992(the guy composed 54 movies that year - nadodi thendral, meera, senthamilpattu).
The public doesnt bother about such criteria...if they like the movie they watch it...if they like a song, they play it :)
Yeah, al, the "scales" of comparison in this forum are warped and biased, indeed. Not to mention thick headed.
Yes Maasi Maasam by KJY , S.Latha was a huge hit, which later went on to be another Xerox Hit thanks to our Xerox deva :lol2: , yes I am talking about "katipudi katipudi da" song from Kushi!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerd
Just revisited GV yesterday, apart from the "I love that loveable" idiot bit this song is awesome! Karthik as usual performed well in thii movie ? Who was the heroine in this song ?Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
App anna
I "highly" recomend GV for you! The locations and PC Sriram camera work, Rasa 's music and Bhanupriya as eye candy what else one wants :)
App: Surprised to note that you didn't know the name of the movie for the song "Ann Enna Pen Enna" till recently. Some info on this movie (that I could recall, Expecting Murali sir to provide accurate details :)). Dharmadurai was released on 1991 Pongal day and since 1990 had only one RK release (Athisaya Piravi) as compared to 1989 that had four releases (three of those got covered recently in this thread), RK fans were eagerly looking forward to this movie. One movie per year was way too less for RK fans that time (as compared to the current scenario of one movie every 2-3 years). It was widely reported in the print media (DD days with no internet) that RK worked non stop in Dec 1990 to get this movie completed on time for pongal release. IR composed very good songs for this movie (even RK's previous AP had very good songs but since MV sung all of them, didn't get the deserved recognition) that had KJY, SPB, Mano, SJ, SL singing (only KSC didn't get a song in this movie and thankfully no MV). Completely agree with the positive comments made on GV. It's a movie worth seeing multiple times. IR's music was the highlight of this movie. If I remember it right, GV was being made for around 1.5-2 years (from late 1999 till it finally got released in April 1991) which was a long time for the making of a movie in that era.
Missed mentioning Param will like BP in GV and looks like he has posted that already :-D
Mild digression, any idea how well the Hindi remake of Dharmadurai (Thiyagi?) performed?
:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by A_S
One correction to my earlier post, Panakkaran was also released in 1990 (on Pongal day) and hence there were two releases for RK in 1990. Disappointment for his fans was no RK release for 1990 Deepavali (that had MMKR for KH) and hence 1991 Pongal was set as a hard deadline for the release of DD. In 1980s, both RK and KH had deepvali releases almost every year (except for 1988 when KH didn't have one). Looks like DD wasn't remade from any hindi movie based on Grouch's question.
Nerd, Plum and genesis,
That almost all folks (35 by Nerd's count) posting here didn't like 'Chinna Thambi' shows that all of them have watched it!!! No wonder it was a hit!!!
No not that way. That way even kansamy could be called a hit. I didn't, for instance, watch CT in theatre. Infact. Have never sat through the damn movie in TV as well. And I am fairly confident that that doesn't disqualify me for evaluating the movie. Crap is crap, even if you don't watch it fully. But what is indisputable is it was a hit in the normal way - lot of people saw it lot many times and liked it, difficult as it is to believe. Infact, I am not much of a fan of the songs also. But - and this is my point - they became hit. And whether the detractors who have framed the "92-98 no hit for Raja" narrative will learn much to their chagrin that he had many hits in that period, whether they liked the albums or not.
nanRi makkaLE!
The issue with watching gOpura vAsalilE is to find a good DVD :-(
I haven't seen in any Indian stores around...internet may be the final resort :roll: Will try this weekend...
Is everyone sure there was no Malayalam original?
Its definitely a remake App. Wiki says the source is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavam_Pavam_Rajakumaran And I have heard many people say the remake is inferior to the original.
It wasn't a direct remake of Paavam Paavam RK. It seems like Priyan mixed this one and another movie of his and some original stuff(yeah, really :lol:) to derive GV. Just like he mixed a couple of films of his for Lesa Lesa later.
Plum - Nobody said IR did not have a hit from 1992-1998 recently in this thread or in relationship with CT. (I just said CT songs are "pretty average" for IR standards - which you seem to agree too). It was you who quoted "it is widely accepted" and getting frustrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
It is ignorant to say IR did not have any hit during that time... There were many and some like Veera, Guna, Meera are my favorite too. But if you ask me to choose my 10 favorite IR albums there will be none from this period or later. That's what is I consider as "widely accepted".
App,
Just as Nerd and Plum had pointed out it is more of Paavam Paavam Rajakumaran that was remade as GV. The song picturised in Bombay has a surprise in store for you in case you have not watched the song in TV or elsewhere.
Plum,
Lesa Lesa was more or less Summer in Bethlehem but SIB was directed by Sibi Malayil that had Suresh Gobi and Jayaram in lead roles with Lal playing a cameo.
A-S,
You missed out in the first post but corrected it in the next. Yes, I am referring to Panakkaaran. Dharmadurai was the last movie directed by Rajasekar before he died at a relatively young age.
Raghu,
The heroine in the song was Suchithra, a mallu girl who somehow couldn't make it big in the cine industry.
Regards
...But rumouredly, made it big with Priyadarshan ;-)
Nerd, i am not in 35+ but i still hate the songs from chinathambi at the core....i do not know why... could be Peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Vasu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerd
Mayamalavagowla raagam (is there a shift in raagam towards the end of the 2nd lude 3:40 - 3:55?).Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerd
However, like app, to me the arrangement sounds very similar to Meenamma Meenamma (sarasaangi raagamaam)
I used to/still hate Sinna Thambi passionately. Puke. (Except Annan's all time favorite track)
I used to think the songs were also not great. Fell in love with Aracha Sandhanam subsequently. Not that I dont like the other songs but there is a kind of a stigma...
nanRi Nerd, Plum & Murali sir for the details related to the original of GV. I don't think I watched PPRK, so it should be fun to watch GV :-)
Either love or hate, it was difficult to ignore CT & its songs during early 90's :-)
The famous Rajini-Gounder-Vijayashanthi comedy scene had a reference to it too :-)
#341 கேளடி என் பாவையே
(கோபுர வாசலிலே, 1991)
'kELadi en pAvaiyE' of gOpura vAsalilE
It's funny that I've listened to this song a few times while visiting TN but during the same time period never had a chance to pay attention to other better numbers of this movie :oops: Ofcourse, I never knew what movie this was from and neither cared to ask - as this was not that much impressive to me those days.
It's a nice song with the thuLLal singing by SPB as usual - but something was / is lacking. To me, it simply does not have the "IR feel" to it and sounds like a 60's song. I'm even reminded of the GR classic yAradi nee mohini in the second line of the pallavi ('mOgam koNda pOthum thAgam vandha pOdhum' = 'AsaiyuLLa rANi anjidAmalE nee'). So, this song is like 'uLundhanganji' to me :-) Since that comparison comes to mind each time I listen to this, let me write a para about that dish, which most of my associates (i.e. outside of my mother-side-relatives) weren't aware of.
Perhaps most TN-ers know the two uses of uLundham paruppu ('urad dAL' as called by northies, sold with or without skin):
a) As an important ingradient of idly-dOsai batter
b) mixed with kadugu for the 'thALikkal' process of dishes like sAmbAr
Northies have their more important third use :
c) As an ingradient in dAL makhAni (and other mixed dAL curries)
What only few TN-ers know (perhaps the south-TN speciality) is the fourth use of this paruppu - a quickie dish called 'uLundhanganji'. My mom or mother-side relatives prepared that dish when they didn't want to spend a lot of time in kitchen. Since this is a "take alone" dish - essentially a kanji, with uLundu main - requiring nothing extra to go with, the job gets done pretty fast and whether the consumers liked it or not they didn't have a choice :lol:
I always felt it was a "punishment dish" (like jail kaLi) to which a lecture also was often added when we protested (that uLundu strengthens the hip of girls / required for them to have strength later on during delivery etc).
This is a uLundhukkanji song by IR standards!
#342 வருது வருது இளங்காத்து
(பிரம்மா, 1991, ஜானகியுடன்)
'varudhu varudhu iLangAththu' of brahmmA
A Janaki sweetie song where SPB adds to the taste! rAsA worked on exclusive rhythm arrangement to embellish the number and it's so delightful to listen each time. Interestingly, this number is similar to 'kAdhal kavidhaikaL padiththidum nEram' in my case (never listened to it at the time of release or during that decade but heard / appreciated only in the recent years due to it being accidentally in the CD of a relative). That it lived for a decade and beyond to reach me proves beyond doubt that some people in TN enjoyed this song at the time of arrival and later :-)
An internet search about this movie tells me that Satyaraj acted with Kushbu and Subash was the director. Absolutely no idea about anything else on this movie. I think it will be a similar case with me for most IR movies of the 90's, unless they had Kamal or Rajini. So, fellow hubbers need to fill-in more details about such numbers - as to whether the songs were really hits, how did the movie fare etc. Regardless of those facts & figures, this is a thoroughly enjoyable number and I've listened to this umpteen number of times during long drives. A delight to listen in car / van as the recording quality seems to be excellent as well!
Damn..I did not notice this before.. seems very plausible ..now that you mention it.Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
Actually, ulundu kaLi in the sweet version is very tasty. Toasted/powdered ulundu is used to make this with jaggery.Quote:
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Perhaps most TN-ers know the two uses of uLundham paruppu ('urad dAL' as called by northies, sold with or without skin):
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You dont want to take ulundu easily ..lots of vitamin E .. you know it is good for you :-)
Yeah..I never liked this song. But the album recording quality is good (as you have observed).Quote:
This is a uLundhukkanji song by IR standards!
KELadi en PaavayE - One of the best song in the album. Very trendy song and will still appeal to today's generation and trend. The accordion and piano gives that spanish and jazz touch. Just like the accordion expands and contracts, the tune is also expands and contracts like that, if you observe closely. I would die to listen to the prelude alone with that mind-blowing whistle. The way Maestro punctuates every line with that piano run again is a beauty. The tune is very light and singing by SPB is top class with his trade-mark laughs and yodeling. Listen when SPB sings 'aLLi' for the last time he sings aLLi sErkavEndum. Extra accent will be given. Master Blaster! Only one! The last two lines of charanam is a stealer. Very minimalistic arrangements. If this song is released today, every one will lap it up for its minimalistic arrangements, casual and trendy approach. I could feel some similarity between this song and Vaangum Panathukkum (Dhoni). Very fresh tune and trendy in nature which sure will make our hearts lighter after a difficult day. I can listen to this beauty any time, any number of times. Idha pOi Ulundankanji'nu solliteengaLE. :sad: This song sounds like a 60's song? Wow! Sometimes I use to wonder how tastes differ.
I challenge if any composer can compose a similar song today. If he does, he would be in limelight, I say!
The problem with Ilaiyaraaja (not us) is since he composed 1000's of songs like a machine, many seem to take his songs for granted (I mean even IR fans). Many does not know its actual value as the songs are available in abundant, more than we ask for. Even if we skip/ignore half of his songs, still we can manage to find excellent songs according to our taste. So we can tend to skip one by one till we get the best one according our best taste. Ithu nalla irukkE. No, I am wrong. Ithavida Ithu nalla irukkE. There is no end to it. Can we have this liberty with other composers? Please think about it for a moment. I would imagine if he scored only in 100's, what would happen?