A shame

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Originally Posted by Roshan

dsath :clap:

I went through your previous posts as well. Unfortunately there are no proper responses to the points you have raised.

Anyway, my experience is that, unless they go, see and experience the sufferings of the marginalised and oppressed - people would tend to argue based on their traditional beliefs (whether they are right or wrong is different) and what they see within their own little world. So no point wasting time here.

In our part of the world 'gender sensitisation' is needed more for women than men :)

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:)
Roshan, as you read her posts so well, you'd notice that dsath tends to ultimately suggest that a 'career' is the inevitable, ultimate utopian emancipating solution for women w/out which a woman is inevitably doomed, in response to almost every problem she talks about women facing!
OK good (for her atleast) that she considers a career useful, and agreed it has, to some extent, put women in a better light than they were 100 yrs ago, ana peNgal-ku vAzhkai'la yentha prachnai vanthAlum vimochanam ('hope I got the word right!) career-nu etho universal quick-fix ad mAthiri sonna ebbidi :? :)
Therefore I'd asked her if most of the age-old problems (eg. dowry) in case of women do not persist even today despite the advancement of women in careers? So is career such a great alternative?
Or perhaps u'd like to explain this point urself since ur apparently the only one here who's erudite at understanding dsath's posts? :)

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Originally Posted by dsath

Recently, I came across this video in good old youtube (it’s the first of a 3 part series and)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in_4Q...eature=related

An interview of Renkua Choudhary by Karan Thapar. I don’t want to go into the pros and cons of the law (it would shift the focus of discussion).
A sample comment below. They are many more such 'gems'

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I will not say anything on this topic. But i want to say one thing, that is INDIA is getting worse day by day.

BTW i support the dowry system. If you dont like it and want to say WOMEN and MEN are equal, why marry in the first place?

And they are not talking about muslims, christians in india. What about them? Does this LAW apply women from ISLAM?

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This comment is one that hardly needs to be taken seriously! Its just that viewer's personal opinion, right or wrong. There are, as you notice, several other cmments by various viewrs in youtube commenting sprees who post their own perceptive remarks, some of them even making no sense at all, some sounding personally abusive etc....! :)
Also the ID of the poster in question seems female rather than male.

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Originally Posted by Lambretta

This comment is one that hardly needs to be taken seriously! Its just that viewer's personal opinion, right or wrong. There are, as you notice, several other cmments by various viewrs in youtube commenting sprees who post their own perceptive remarks, some of them even making no sense at all, some sounding personally abusive etc....! :)
Also the ID of the poster in question seems female rather than male.

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Yes most comments in youtube are akin to what you say. But this and many other comments for this video gives us a peek into an educated Indian mind. Does it really matter if it is a man or a woman.

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Originally Posted by Lambretta

Roshan, as you read her posts so well, you'd notice that dsath tends to ultimately suggest that a 'career' is the inevitable, ultimate utopian emancipating solution for women w/out which a woman is inevitably doomed, in response to almost every problem she talks about women facing!

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I wish there was an utopian solution for all the problems that women face or for that matter for all other issues that our society face.
Unfortunately that is not the case. If I had given the impression that once a woman steps out of her house, all her problems are automatically resolved then I am sorry, I didn't mean to.

As I said earlier in my posts, discrimination for 'apparently equal' women is a way of life, like the Chennai buses. It would be hard to find women (travelling on the buses regularly) who hadn't faced a single discriminatory act. Indian constitution has taken more than 50 years for recognizing discrimination within the confines of a family. Who knows how long it will take for the constitution to recognize discrimination outside the boundaries of family. :sigh2:

Earlier there was no place to voice our concerns and issues. But now we can by means of a career because we are ,
journalists/writers (people can read a woman's thoughts, not a man's version of a woman's thoughts),
doctors/nurses(with whom problems otherwise considered a taboo to be discussed with a male doctor can be discussed and solutions obtained), lawyers/judges (who can make laws to protect the womankind ),
police and on and on........

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Originally Posted by Lambretta

OK good (for her atleast) that she considers a career useful, and agreed it has, to some extent, put women in a better light than they were 100 yrs ago, ana peNgal-ku vAzhkai'la yentha prachnai vanthAlum vimochanam ('hope I got the word right!) career-nu etho universal quick-fix ad mAthiri sonna ebbidi :? :)
Therefore I'd asked her if most of the age-old problems (eg. dowry) in case of women do not persist even today despite the advancement of women in careers? So is career such a great alternative?
Or perhaps u'd like to explain this point urself since ur apparently the only one here who's erudite at understanding dsath's posts? :)

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Again there is no quick fix for any problems in the society.
Dowry has just taken a different avataram....but no one can deny the fact that dowry deaths are not as rampant as they once were. We cannot expect a changeover of societal attitudes overnight. Rome wasn't built in a day.
A means of earning legitimately is not vimochanam, but it gives the opportunity for a woman to fight out the prachnai.

Career is not an alternative, neither is it a do all or end all. It is a means to fight problems that a woman faces in a society. Call it survival tactics.

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I believe in choice - a right to select. I am not against women opting to stay at home, I am all for recognizing that women and men have different needs and the society should understand and respect a woman's choice (career or no career). That in my opinion would be the next stage of 'equality'.
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In spite of age-old discrimination- I feel it is genetic, in the male's build-up, male chauvnism- women have been establishing their importance with superiority, authority, dignity & emphasis from within their fortress! Isles of 'little worlds' do make the society at large, don't they? :huh:

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Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam

In spite of age-old discrimination- I feel it is genetic, in the male's build-up, male chauvnism- women have been establishing their importance with superiority, authority, dignity & emphasis from within their fortress! Isles of 'little worlds' do make the society at large, don't they? :huh:

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neenga enna solla var'reenga.... :roll:

enna puriyala? :wink:

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Originally Posted by pavalamani pragasam

In spite of age-old discrimination- I feel it is genetic, in the male's build-up, male chauvnism- women have been establishing their importance with superiority, authority, dignity & emphasis from within their fortress! Isles of 'little worlds' do make the society at large, don't they? :huh:

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so, they shudnt venture out of their fortress-es ???

little worlds.. :evil: u want all the women in this world to be limited to their family alone.. what a stupid concept !!!

what are the other female hubbers doing here???

just because of ur age, dont think that you can get away whatever u write.. athuvum puriyaatha maathiri sugar-coat panni eluthurathu.. :lol:

ur post is an utter shame to all females and feminism.. i am sure many are angered here.. just that they are feeling a bit shy/awkward to express themselves..

better go back to ur little world and shut the door..

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Devar Magan, unga brilliance-la kaNNu koosuthu!!! :lol: Your choice epithets are just amusing! :rotfl: Thanx, & good luck to you, my dear boy! :D