Sindhanai Selvar Dr.Kamal HaasaR - favourite movies,scenes 2

I don't think this film is pessimistic. As app said, Tulabaram is, Pasa Malar too. This one has a happy ending, in fact. There is hope for the good characters in the movie to move on and start life afresh.

Well, Welcome to India.

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Originally Posted by Roshan

I dont believe so.

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Cant think of many Tamil movies which can give room to 20 pages of thought provoking discussion, criticism, credits, POVs etc, this itself shows the depth in the movie. Excellent views, true the movie has a masochistic nerve line through out. I can also think of Aarulirundhu aruvadhu varai as a less complicated, little crudely dramatic "pessimistic" movie.

After all, we didn't discuss much of that jail portion!

அருமையான பதிவுகள்.. :clap:

உங்கள் சக ஹப்பனாக இருப்பதில் பெருமை.. :anandakanneer:

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Originally Posted by SoftSword

also i was wonderin on what could be the time frame between kamal moves to the city and starts his chitfund, and the day haneefa runs away..
first they move to the city and have one poojai... then they get the place ready and do formal inauguration of the chitfund... annakki night party... and next morning he starts becoming a bit 'strictu'... aduttha scene he consults his advocate friend and the same day when he goes to the office people flocking to return the money back... so many people invested in a new chitfund so quick?

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long believed the puppy dog from the temple to be the timeline..ellaiye :roll:

Very good discussion and great posts as usual by P_R. This is my single favourite Tamil film. I'll come back to participate in the larger discussion, but just to respond to Maddy's point here, here's an old post (in which also I was responding to Maddy!):

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Originally Posted by MADDY

i dont think too much of hanifa character there but a kannadiga "abusing" kaveri is undisputably tempting for kamal.......i have lot of disagreements with kamal's politics in movies including this one......

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Originally Posted by equanimus

[...] in Hey Ram, the pimp is shown to be comfortable with all major south Indian languages, even if he's not shown to be speaking all those languages. Kamal Haasan tells the receptionist that he's "from the south of India, Madras" and gives his name as K. Bhairav, when Govardhan starts to follow him. While ascending the stairs, Govardhan starts the conversation with Kannada guessing that "Bhairav" is a Kannadiga. "Good afternoon! My name is Govardhan. Bhairav andharE, KannadigAru 'vA?" Then, he asks if he's Telugu, and finally concludes that he's a Tamilian.

Let me also use this occasion to place my disagreement with a point Maddy made about the Kannada lines in Mahanadhi elsewhere. I completely disagree with Maddy there. If that were supposed to be a stab at the Kannadigas in the wake of Cauvery issue, it would only be a tasteless cheap shot at that, but it clearly doesn't come off that way. Venkatachalam speaks Kannada with Manju, yes, but it's she who's probably a Kannadiga in the film. Again, the detailing of prostitution business as a pan-south Indian enterprise is evident here, like in Hey Ram. That is the subtext.

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Originally Posted by equanimus

0If that were supposed to be a stab at the Kannadigas in the wake of Cauvery issue, it would only be a tasteless cheap shot at that,

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yes thats what i think it is........coming rite after 92' cauvery riots, it is so evident.....

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Originally Posted by equanimus

Venkatachalam speaks Kannada with Manju, yes, but it's she who's probably a Kannadiga in the film. Again, the detailing of prostitution business as a pan-south Indian enterprise is evident here, like in Hey Ram. That is the subtext.

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normally, prostitutes, esp high profile ones are supposed to speak in multiple languages for better client servicing......so, i would think venki knowing manju can speak kannada, he speaks in his mother tongue to her......and the kannada that venki speaks is not the "nambilki, nimbilki" kannada - it comes off good.....and since there is no evidence of both of them speaking another line in kannada after that scene- im entitled to assume it this way......

Maddy,
That there is no other pointer except a passing line he speaks in Kannada makes you entitled to assume he IS a Kannadiga in the film?! That his Kannada is good is hardly reason enough to claim he's a Kannadiga. Surely his Tamil is also very good throughout the film?! My explanation (admittedly vague, but my point is there's nothing that backs your claim on the other hand) is he's a top-rung businessman, well-travelled, so he probably speaks good Kannada. Why should it be like "nambilki" and so on? Haven't you seen people from TN who speak preliminary Kannada pretty well (like a local speaker) after they spend some years in Bangalore or Mysore for that matter?

If you're talking about the linguistic identity of a character, shouldn't you be looking at much more relevant markers? For starters, is Venkatachalam a common name for a Kannadiga? As far as I've seen, it's prevalent only among Tamils and Telugus.

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Originally Posted by equanimus

If you're talking about the linguistic identity of a character, shouldn't you be looking at much more relevant markers? For starters, is Venkatachalam a common name for a Kannadiga? As far as I've seen, it's prevalent only among Tamils and Telugus.

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agreed