Moviebuff, there is something called theatre agreement, Anegan was planned/announced for 13th Feb much earlier than YA.
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Moviebuff, there is something called theatre agreement, Anegan was planned/announced for 13th Feb much earlier than YA.
Good discussions...
1. Sometime back we discussed in detail how Avg per screen cannot give clear picture when comparing two movies released with different set of screens... Avg per day wont work either when festive and solo release come into pic. We dont have enough data to make all these comparisons.
2. Regrading Rentrack, there is fair assumption that reported 29 screens are subset of 32. What if at least 30% of screens are different. What if Rentrak has 60 screen list and YA released in a different set. Just for an example, if a screen like Satyam is not reported where as two Mayajaal screens accounted. The gross will be less whereas the screen count is more. Earlier BM showcased with US gross numbers how a small count of screens may have huge impact on net amount.
3. AB.. I checked SPICINEMAS.IN status now using your method. Out of 12 evening shows(6PM - 7:30PM) 9 shows are full. I checked most of the night shows and seats available mostly in front two rows. I have even checked for Thursday, shows are 50-60% booked. YA released in all mount road complexes if I am not wrong. It i
4. Now we have come to a point where a movie's BO fate can be written only based on Satyam main screen, leaving all the influential factors behind it. There was a time when few movies are not considered for Satyam release.
5. I am noticing that whenever Ajith movie's BO numbers are delivered, immediately its profitability is questioned based on ET. Do you guys think distributors/theater owners pay the price without considering this? Dont they have a different pricing on this?
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Originally Posted by ArulprakasH
I actually posted about this first. So let me clarify. I have no intention pull YA down. Sathyam booking does not decide the fate of a film at BO. But I definitely think Sathyam screen allocation and bookings give a decent idea about how the film fares in Chennai. My assumption is that Sathyam is the first preference for the regular movie going crowd of Chennai. I was awake last Tuesday midnight to try my luck at booking for YA for the weekend and failed to get two tickets anywhere in Sathyam,Luxe and Escape. People generally try for Sathyam and then go for other options. My post was based on that.
very trueQuote:
Originally Posted by movie buff
Adding to that
1.Reviews doesnt matter for a films BO mostly.only Word of mouth matters it not that Kathi got mixed reviews and YA got thumpsup...many influencal portals too gave Kaththi more rating than YA.So downplaying Kaththi reviews to highlights film run due to StarPower doesnt augur well at all here IMO.Trashed siruthai did better than acclaimed adukalam even in A centers.
2.YA Promos started appearing in TVs just 3 days before release and Kathi 2 days before.otherwise Kathi had its everybit of extra curricular promotions...
3.GVM last action film was VV 10 yeas ago and recent film drops and NEPV/Nadunisi naigal failuer have only brought down his reputation or box office pull.May be myself or more GVM enthusiasts had immense expectation due to GVM factor.Other wise his selling point nowhere comparable to shankar currently....
MB, I was talking in general. Sorry if my post offended you.
Currently YA is played in Devi and Devi Bala in Devi complex, Shanti, Satyam, Escape and Woodlands in Mount Road and Royapetta area... I think this area had a huge number of shows played already. If you see from Friday, Devi retained its main screen for YA, Satyam retained 2 shows in their main screen, 2 in Santham, 1 in Serene 4 in Escape, 3 shows in Shanti and in Woodlands complex, it is moved to Symphony with four shows a day. Even after accommodating Anegan, YA continuing its streak in this area.
No offence at all :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ArulprakasH
Arul,
On your point 1, I totally agree there are a lot of assumptions that have to go when we talk about per day/screen because we do not know other finer details. No offence bro, but instead of applauding BMs post yesterday, if you had said this to him it could have avoided a lot of these back and forth posts. Most of the posts were in response to his analysis.
Point no 2 on Rentrak was again brought out because it was posted how unfair it was on Rentraks part to report only based on 29 screens. Kaththi was also reported for 32 screens. Someone questioned the authenticity of their report which is when this whole back and forth started.
Point no 3 - I think Ajay meant yesterdays bookings in SPI.
Guess point no 4 and 5 have been discussed between you and MB.
Parthy,Quote:
Originally Posted by Parthyy
I personally believe exactly the same that for big stars, reviews do not matter at all due to the local fanbase they have. It does impact heroes who do not enjoy a local fanbase though. Yes, word of mouth does matter the most for a longer run (beyond first weekend). Based on what I read here in the hub, I thought YA did get a decent review from audiences. ..and had the word of mouth going for it...I saw a lot of posts mentioning that.
The point about promotion for Kaththi was not just tv promos...but trailer, ticket bookings etc. YA did have an advantage as the bookings opened almost 5 days before release...theaters had enough time to plan the schedules and show timings. We all know the problems Kaththi went through till the day before release.
Having said all this, I still feel it is too early to comment about YAs box office result...you cannot call it a flop nor can you call it a blockbuster yet.
Good discussions. Kudos and Thanks, to all. Civil discussions between Vijay and Ajith fans have never been a possibility for a long long time. What a refreshing change.
Dammy, completely agree with you bro.
Kaththi did generate a lot of negative publicity, thanks to Velmurugan and co, but this hampered the promotional plans of the Kaththi team. Comparing this with the well-planned promotions for, lets say, Thuppakki, Kaththi had very little.
The fate of the release was also not clear and a lot of us feared a repeat of Thalaivaa's opening delays.
Online reviews were good, but not overwhelming, largely because of comparisons with Thuppakki. Fans like me, loved it first time, is a different issue :)
Wow, for once sensible discussions in this thread ... :thumbsup:
Thats because the usual suspects are banned.
Lol, @AB
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Originally Posted by Dammy R
BMs post was intended at the boys who were trying hard to bring YA down. They were very much interested in updating YA BO status than us and they did not stop even after asked them to save energy for the next release.
I think A_A must be frustrated on seeing a small number of screens reported through rentrack while it is played in a good number.Quote:
Point no 2 on Rentrak was again brought out because it was posted how unfair it was on Rentraks part to report only based on 29 screens. Kaththi was also reported for 32 screens. Someone questioned the authenticity of their report which is when this whole back and forth started.
Yesterday(Tuesday), AB was looking at today's(Wednesday) reservation status. FYI yesterday too, most of the shows were full when I checked after noon. You could find the status updated in the YA thread.Quote:
Point no 3 - I think Ajay meant yesterdays bookings in SPI.
Exactly my Thoughts...Thanks Bimmer.Quote:
Originally Posted by bimmer
My Bad, it is not BM but AB. Modified my post now.
Fair enough bro,Quote:
Originally Posted by Dammy R
I brought Kathi just because Cedy pointed that in his post.mainly on those 3 points...
AP,
Yes. U r right. Last night I was checking today's evening status. And it was all green except Sathyam. I specifically pointed out the complex for the same reason that MB mentioned. All movie goers' first choice in Chennai is Sathyam. Most movies show green from the first Monday but the evening shows are always booked at least 2,3 days in advance. It has been the case for all big actors including Ajith. But YA is not getting that kinda rush honestly. Getting booked on the same day in Sathyam is different thing altogether. Just peep in at 6 pm. You wont get tickets for even Isai, let alone YA.
Lets keep our chella rivalry aside. But at least for me, the movie is not doing well. An Ajith movie, say for example Veeram, drew more crowds the same period. And actually its quite surprising for me. Because after a long time, I enjoyed an Ajith movie and enjoyed it better than Kaakka Kaakka. And I thought it would become a superhit if not a blockbuster, mainly because it had the right dose of sentiments and romance in it. And except for the first half an hour or so, I found the film gripping. I kinda knew that it wouldn't reach the suburbs given the director's making style. But CBO is a real shock for me.
Buddy - I think the point was more around the logic used by BM, which is what Cedy used in his reply and which you questioned. We are all in agreement now on that at least, so its all good.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArulprakasH
However, I do understand what you mean on some boys updating box office reports; however, I am not sure if posting BO updates is meant to degrade a particular movie - all these are coming from websites that are typically used when the movie does well too. Now I do know some people may have an agenda while posting bad results and I may have missed some of the bad posts, but then, that happens from both sides when an Ajith/Vijay movie releases. We all know about a few who bring Vijay into the discussion even when the topic doesn't involve Vijay, and what kind of bad language is used to address him. No senior hubber even cares to read or reply to such posts. As long as both sides maintain this, we will see more of such civil conversations even in future and I really wish to see the day when an Ajith fan can openly criticize a Vijay film and vice versa.
As far as YA is concerned, I too have heard decent reviews from few friends outside the hub, so as I have been saying, it may be too early to label the movie as average or a superhit or whatever. We may get a better picture by next week. If Anegan doesn't turn out to be good, it may well work in YA's favor. Let's see.
I am glad that you have enjoyed the movie. I did not check at 6PM but around noon. I have seen green status for all the shows on 27th October 2014, the first Monday following the release.Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
Cedy did not point the mistake in that analysis rather he posted an analysis with his own logic. It is not just the BO updates, they were projecting it like completely bombed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dammy R
I have understood one solid thing from this thread. Let me remember it forever. Signing off from this thread. :wave:
AP,
Edhachum sollanumnu sollappidadhu. I had to wait till Thursday for watching Kaththi 3rd time as I didnt get tickets in any screen. S2 Perambur was available but not Sathyam, Escape or Luxe which I prefer.
And for 28th October, I had to book the previous Friday and there were very few seats available in Luxe Screen 2. Also, I still remember Ratheesh waiting till Wednesday to post first non houseful night show of Kaththi in Abirami. Our guys including me lack the 'soodhanam' factor to take screenshots then and there to prove things. Even I can only point out that in SPIcinemas Kaththi had 72 shows per day in the second weekend in spite of Poojai and HNY. But I cant prove it without screenshots. What to do?
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Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
Disclaimer: No offense to Ajith/Ajith fans
I'm not at all surprised, for regular movie goer there should be some gripping elements to attract, that's totally missing in YA. Ajiths presence should be enough for some but not for all. Is the movie a flop material? definitely not.. it does have good moments but that's not enough to see a blockbuster success. At the max it can reach above average IMO.
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Originally Posted by Dammy R
Regarding the comparison of BO numbers, "the usual suspects" post the BO numbers just to compare and degrade the movie, some Vijay fans ( from the suspect list) are so desperate to give the comparison numbers with Lingaa & YA.. they didn't even cared about "I" which collected more than Kathhi (atleast CBO).. I don't understand the reason.. may be the suspects had an agenda as you mentioned :)
Ai collected more than Kaththi in almost all regions I guess. But why would it be even mentioned when the real intention is to find who is the real successor to Rajni in terms of BO pull? The fight is always between Ajith and Vijay fans, no?
AB - Just when you think things are going smooth- Please don't turn the tide. Festival Releases are different, Veeram was a Pongal Release. Satyam is not the only yardstick for movies success- If You found the movie gripping except for the first 30 Mins, we are happy. By any means you are not a trade analyst (Neither am I). let us give the movie sometime to determine the Hit/ Flop status.Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
Sathyam added Santham 9 Am shows on weekends...So it shows that there are demand for YA tickets...
Thats why I said at least for me. While comparing with Veeram, I have clearly mentioned as the second weekend. Pongal is not celebrated for 10 days. After 4 days, all the films are the same.
Ok. Sathyam is not an yardstick. Then which one is?
This hub fan base (based on numbers) are as follows
VJ fans > Ajith fans > Kamal Fans > Rajni fans (many have left)
So it is common to see more activities from VJ fans, Competition between VJ vs Ajith, and Kamal vs Rajni is quite norm. But since the release of "Knife" this thread was updated almost daily, disregarding any other BO results of other movies which got released along with or just before /after Kathi .
Vithagan - We are not offended. I could have collected more, But which movie was more profitable matters - You rope in Shankar, ARR, PCC - Take 2 Years to complete the movie, you lose weight, put on weight - Toil for the movie spend crores, Final result was an very average movie not upto Shankar's standards - But OMG we all felt the movie need to succeed for Vikram's effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by vithagan
Coming back to YA - The movie did not have any lagging moments - Please go to Twitter and check out the Negative Publicity by VJ fans - This reviewer itsprasanth - He visually looks drunk, He tweets between movies constantly and comes out and gives a review - Movie la croud illayam - is this a movie's drawback- Did KK, VV, VTV, have a star studded crew or always shot at a crowded location, Bullshit I say. This guys needs to stop reviewing movies. in UK The movie was telecasted on TV the very first day. Who would go to the movie theater if a family of 3 can save 40 Pounds. Finally If a movie collected 450,000$ in US and collected 30/40 Crores in India (Downplaying) - The movie is till running and will be in the super hit status.
For all Ajith Fans YA will be near and dear to our hearts - The movie has all qualities to being a BB material.
Very glad to know that Vijay fans are checking every Chennai screens to check how YA is doing, as I posted here earlier the movie is doing well at least in Chennai multiplexes.. if u want to know check yennaiarindhaal hashtag, there are screen shots haven been posted and good thing is u can come to know the timings of the screen shot taken.
I agree with you vithagan, the movie got Mixed WOM and another thing this it is been seen as a drama genre
This discussion will go no where. Do you have stats for Veeram's second week's or are you pulling it out from somewhere? After 4 Days all films are the same- Nope depends on various factors - Movie's quality, Summer Vacations, Winter Break, other movie releases, Cricket matches, IPL a lot of influential factors.Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaybaskar
Why only Satyam - why not consider all Multiplexes why not Maayajal where YA got more screen counts than Kaththi
Bimmer,Quote:
Originally Posted by bimmer
I guess MovieBuff and Ajay had already explained why it is Sathyam. Sathyam, for some of us here in Chennai including me, is the first-stop to catch our favourite movies. Most of the times we burn the midnight oil, just to see if we get lucky on day 1 @ sathyam, when SPI cinemas open their bookings. When Sathyam is gone, secondary options come in for day 1 FDFS. Even then, after FDFS, most of us make sure, we catch the movie @ sathyam at a later day.
So, some of us here, based on our personal experiences believe that Sathyam is the primary hub for Chennaites and it probably fills earlier than most screens here. That's our personal opinion and I think previous posts clearly mentioned it.
After 4 or 5 day first weekend, all movies whether it is a festival or a saturated release, would move out of the fan-phase and enter into a crucial phase where things like family crowd, WOM, repeat values, come into the picture. It is level playing ground from there although the eventual fortune, depends on a lot of factors. That is what Ajay meant.
Having followed the fortunes of Jilla (and Veeram, inevitably), I am also of the opine that things were a lot less Green than what it is now. My views, strictly.
But as you rightly say, this discussion will take us no where.
Certainly that has nothing to do with your post,bro. I didnt read that first, TBH. I checked YA status late night only for spicinemas and it showed green except Sathyam like how it is showing now for tomorrow's shows. Why go to twitter when u can straightaway go to spicinemas.in to check status?Quote:
Originally Posted by Siv.S
This ticket book status checking of each and every theatre, taking screenshots of it are not my agenda. But had to respond to the post from Freedom (#3778) and hence went and checked the booking status for today. Thats all
You're right bimmer ... The movie 'I' for all the time (about 3 years), effort Vikram put in and the cost, ideally should have been a BB. For that to happen, it should have matched Endhiran collections. Thats a little far-fetched. Atleast hopefully it sees a profit and Vikram gets a break.Quote:
Originally Posted by bimmer
Good sensible arguments :clap:
Agree with your views on "Ai", I'm not in the game of comparing BO numbers ( Ai or YA or Kathi).. My point is YA doesn't have enough substance to become a BB but you think otherwise which is totally fine. Second week collection report will give us the clear status so lets wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by bimmer
VJ fans negative publicity I partially agree, when I watched YA with one of vijay fan, he is so desparate to pull the movie down before even it started. Starting from Ajith's name appeared on the title he started with Ajith nilmai ippadi aagiduche yaarume whistle adikkalainnu.. even though there were some..from that point till interval he was always with the phone.. not sure he was updating the status in twitter ;) Seriousa yosichen edhukku ivan padam paarka vandhaannu?? odanae vijay fanss sandaikku varadheenga.. just i'm talking about that particular guy..
Idhukke ippadi solliteenga? Unga frienda aachum twitter edho pannituu irundhaaru. Some Vijay fans work day and night to bring the movie down. Not sure what their grudge is against Ajith nor I'm sure why they feel so insecure. shown is an example below:Quote:
Originally Posted by vithagan
Original article:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9nmexiIEAA7blf.jpg
Fake Article:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9nmhrXIQAEbwEC.jpg
Ivanga indha skillsa egayaachum urupadiya use panna thevalaam.
Indha savaranai la KABoxoffice twitter handle, andhraboxoffice1 (Tamil movie ku en andhrabox office nu per kelunga).
Ennamo AM rathnam distrobutors ku 51 C ku vithaaram, and the movie has to collect 75 (with 30% tax ) to even breakeven nu ellam adichi vidraanga?? ennamo AMR vikkum podhu Vijay fans kitta inform pannitu vitha mathiri.....ada ponga vithagan!
YA vida worst movies ellam nalla odi pathu iruken!
Hopefully you can do the same way like your mates instead of putting screens shots !Quote:
Originally Posted by Deepak7
என்ன மச்சி பொசுக்குன்னு இப்படி பேசிப்புட்ட.. அவனுங்களாவது நடுவுலதான் ஃபோட்டோஷாப் வேலை பண்ணிருக்கானுங்க.. இப்படி ச்சூடு..Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom
http://twitter.com/Billa2_Karthi/sta...763968/photo/1