The Golden Era of Dr.IR and Dr.SPB

#344 இன்னும் என்னை என்ன செய்யப்போகிறாய்
(சிங்காரவேலன், 1992 , ஜானகியுடன்)

'innum ennai enna seyyappOkiRai' from singAravElan, with SJ

What a sweet joy ride this song! rAsA in his thEneechcha form and the top duet pair delivering a thoroughly enjoyable number for a beautiful pair on screen! Supposedly a 'gambheera nAttai' rAgA based number. That should have been among the sweeter set of rAgAs :-) Also, the overall construct of the song has the effect of making one soar high and float - paRavaikaLaippOl uNara vaikkum aRputha number!

Lot had been written and discussed about this song on TFM-DF and elsewhere on the net. The song deserves every one of those praises and more! Obviously, I have little more to add by way of musical analysis and let me take my favourite tangent trip :-)

It was a year after kAl kattu. Towards the end of 1991, work related travels increased like anything. The company possibly had an unwritten policy to send newly-wedded engineers on a lot of tours :lol: However, I was smarter and took my wife along in 90% of them and one occasion was really funny. It was an evening in MG Road, Bangalore and we were both enjoying the weather - talking , walking happily & also shopping. And, there he was, my boss coming from the opposite side in the footpath :lol: He couldn't believe his eyes that someone can be so "indisciplined" and take spouse on an "official trip".

Well, when he had to approve my travel bills for that trip, he was hoping to catch me with lot of bills and expenses (he was a terror for all but could never frighten me). Since the statement showed every thing on a "flat rate" thingy (matlab, much lower than what was typically spent), he was in for a disappointment. All those trips also meant that there was very less time for listening to TFM in life. However, it provided a lot of opportunities to meet with new (wife side) relatives and naturally a lot of music-related-talk with newer people.

My old-bachelor associates were talking about this singAra vElan movie a lot in the workplace and I got the cassette during one of those trips in Bangalore. Obviously, this song was my top & instant favourite. I don't think the cassette had 'thoothu selvadhAradi', which became another top favourite after watching the movie. (The others were initially disappointing a bit - coming from IR for a pAvalar creations movie with Kamal - but "grew on me" to be favourites over a period of time :wink:).

#345 அட ஒரங்கா ஸ்ரீலங்கா கொப்பரத்தேங்கா
(சிங்காரவேலன், 1992)

'ada OrangA sreelankA kopparaththEngA' of SV

The lyrics and the scene :shock: Ofcourse, such references are not new in TFM - right from MGR days (and may be prior), such tease songs abound. The difference is such were reserved for front benchers - with loud orchestration etc in the pre-IR days and the "elite" typically avoided such numbers. (MGR's 'kAyA idhu pazhamA konjam thottuppAkktumA' etc were big kOlambi speaker hits in villages but middle-class and above generally did mugam suzhippu to such songs). OTOH, IR simbly brought such songs to main-stream, firstly with a big gang of dedicated IRFs -that prior composers could not boast of & a group that came from all walks of life (vAdi en kappakkezhangE was played across all social groups without inhibition) and secondly with very polished orchestration that often hid the shocking lines.

Well, catchy song, SPB excels - Kamal has uninhibited fun on screen and rAsA provides sweet orchestration. (The KH-Kushbu friendship is so much that recently the lady made a remark that KH knows her likes / dislikes better than she herself :shock:)

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Originally Posted by app_engine

thiraippAdal lists a movie called 'irumbu pookkaL' and that has a SPB-KSC song 'muththAna muththam' - never heard it before, skip.

next movie is 'idhayam' - I've heard only the IR song 'April MayilE' & the KJY song 'pottu vaiththa oru vatta nilA'. Both the SPB songs - 'idhayamE' & 'poonkodi thAn' are unknown to me. skip.

kaNNukkoru vaNNakkiLi is next - 'unnai nAn pArkkaiyil' with Asha B - never heard of it. skip.

'pooththu pooththu kulunguthadi' & 'pAttu onna' - both songs sound so sweet from the GA directed movie kumbakkarai thangaiyyA - but I'm hearing both the songs for the first time, so cannot host on the thread.

thAlAttu kEtkuthammA has 3 SPB numbers - nEnthukkitta, sutti sutti, yammA yammA - all unfamiliar, from a Prabhu movie :shock:

Even more shocking is the fact that two SPB-SJ numbers from a Sridhar movie - thanthu vittEn ennai - mannavanE & thenRal nee are also unknown to me :-( (Was this the debut of Vikram?)

kanavu paliththadhu from veRRippadikaL - another skip

Nothing against any of the songs above - lack of familiarity must be my problem.

So, end of 1991 :shock:

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Fantastic numbers these..
Particular mention goes out to Poongodi dhaan poothadhamma from idhayam.. This is how a soup song must be done -
proper thamizh song admonishing a shy guy for not having guts to speak out his love.. From Kadhir, this song had a nice picturisation in the backdrop of
rough bay of bengal shore around ennore. Had the staple Raju sundaram dance troupe doing strange dance moves.. Vaallee's lyrics were nice and apt..
But the soul of the character and the sequence was carried off by SPB's choked singing in charanams where the rhythm again shifts a few gears down and
conveys the confusion of the character...
A nice pathos song from a melodious album..

#346 புதுச்சேரி கச்சேரி எக்கச்சக்க பார்ட்டி
(சிங்காரவேலன், 1992)

'puduchchEri kachchEri' of SV

This is a sweet song - clearly SPB special - that gets extremely good in the saraNam and boasts of a lovely orchestration. The song should have been a kids favourite at the time of arrival (because both my children loved this song years later). I love the solo violin kuRumbu parts of the song. (The sOga version too has nice orchestration).

After MMKR, this one is perhaps the VHS that got played maximum at home during the recent years. It had never failed to keep me ROTFLing. While KH has a great sense of humor and timing, we have gounder as a big bonus in this movie. The way in which he delivers - hA - unbelievable! Ofcourse, the most thrilling scene for me is their visit to star hotel and gounder's remarks for the coffee :lol: Everytime I pick up a furniture or an equipment here, I'm reminded of that (as all you get are some pieces of wood / ply wood, screws, legs etc and an align key with instructions to assemble)! It has its advantages, however, as one gets trained and don't depend upon others to do the job. Occasionally, it saves money too (Sears charges > $150 to send a person to assemble an elliptical that costed $375 on sale...me & my 19 yr old assembled it in just about an hour :lol2:)

Thanks App Sir, if I didn’t see your post on the latest heard song thread then I might of missed this.

V_S Sir, congratulations on one of the best if not the best colossal write-up I’ve witnessed in the hub.
The :thumbsup: :clap: and :bow: are all worthless here. I don’t see your post as a write-up, in fact for me it was truly one heck of a journey. Moving words which transported me elsewhere and also touched a sentimental chord.

I assume you might reply, saying how all credit is due to the Maestro as he conceived the song but the aspects you put fourth i.e. Tremolo was your brain child. I think I can relate to this Tremolo (signal), it definitely exists between to soul mates, lovers or whatever you want to call them. I’ve definitely felt it for my dear ones. But to explain this bond in mere words and that too through music is definitely an intelligent move, sir!

Back to the song, yes one wonders how Raaja Saab weaves in the contrasting interludes supported by Mani’s picturisation of our Superstar as a samurai. Genius, pure genius! The visuals are how one would picture the song if they had their eyes closed. Right from the tabla (mandir portion) to the military snare drum timpani rolls (battlefield), everything as you rightly said is dreamy. Punjabi: Par Tusi V_S bhaji char chand laga dithe gaane uthe. Eng: but you my bro have put more medals on this song then the song already had.

And well said about Diwali releases!

TBH, to answer your last question on whether we deserve this or not... I think whoever has heard and watched this song, should consider themselves very very fortunate.

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Originally Posted by app_engine

next movie is 'idhayam' - I've heard only the IR song 'April MayilE' & the KJY song 'pottu vaiththa oru vatta nilA'. Both the SPB songs - 'idhayamE' & 'poonkodi thAn' are unknown to me. skip.

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:shock: :shock: :shock: Were you in mars? Undoubtedly your biggest miss. And quite a few *big* misses in that post.

Anyway please continue whenever you can. Really miss(ed) the posts.

Sunil Bhai, Thank you so much for your pouring compliments and it's one of the best compliments I have ever heard. :D Really moved by your words in punjabi. Somehow Maestro writes it for me everytime. Yes as you told the picturisation is well complemented by the music and vice versa. You rightly finished, we are very fortunate to listen to these treasures. Thanks again!

App,
Yes as Nerd told, many from your missing list were big hits. I love Kumbakkarai Thangayya and Thaalattu Kektkuthamma songs very much. I remember poothu poothu kulunguthadi poovu repeating in my home system for weeks. Honey-dripping song. No words to describe Idhayam songs. The film I watched again in Chidambaram, almost everyday evening show. I even remember reading Hindu review of the film and music. They had written really bad about IR songs and music. 'From the music it seems IR was doing some testing on his music' something of that sort. We were all so upset. We know now rest is history. Excellent BGM and whenever I play them I cannot stop them. Raja what can I give you in return just for this? One of my best loved love film. This film is a poetry. It really shook me that time. Every song, every bit of music, every scene is just etched in me. Even today I don't feel tired of watching it. Murali. :sad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdglhHfRirU

Thanks a lot to raajarasigan our hubber for uploading these wonderful bgm. :clap:

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were you in Mars

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No, as explained by him, he was un the newfound grip of planet Venus at that time ;-). 2) V_S - that must have been the handiwork of DS Ramanujam of MtRdMahaVishnu , who was heavily promoting SARs Virus and DEVAngaNam at that time. As you can infer from the name, the feller possibly had caste-based or previous-MD-affection based objection to IR. I'd have loved to unleash hubber geno on him - with full justification for a typical geno diatribe. For PNPN, he wrote of abaswaram in karuththa machchaan - innikku varaikkin engennu enakku theriyala, ungalukku therinjaa sollunga

திரு v_s, "சுந்தரி கண்ணால் ஒரு சேதி.." பாடலுக்கான உங்களது பதிவை சொல்வனம் போன்ற தமிழ் இதழ்களில் தகுந்த நபர்களைத் தொடர்புகொண்டு, மொழி பெயர்த்து பதிவு செய்ய முயற்சி எடுக்கவும்/ அல்லது தெரிந்த நண்பர்கள் உதவி செய்யலாம். ஆங்கில நடையில் மட்டுமே அமைந்து ஒரு குறுகிய நதியாக ஓடாமல், தமிழில் பதிவு செய்து கருத்தோட்டத்தை அகல, ஆழப்படுத்தவும்.

Actually one saying he/she has not listened to unnaiththaan niththam niththam wasn't as surprising/shocking. Idhayam songs - 'cultest' songs for one of the 'cultest' films. And huge HUGE HUGE hits - only because of Raaja.

V_Sji, Confession - this was the first time I read one of your long posts. Its not that I was ignoring those, I could not afford to take long breaks at work - most of my hubbing happens at work. And also my inability to comprehend such insightful posts due to lack of any kind of music knowledge was a barrier.

Sundari, wow, the way you have explained how Raaja connected different forms of music, (eventhough way beyond my comprehension) mindblowing sir. Hats off. The next time(s) I listen to this song will be special, for sure :-)

Will sure get to the bookmarked posts on this thread and Raaja's duet threads pretty soon. Thanks for writing those posts, especially for us. No words, :bow:

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Originally Posted by A_S

As I had indicated in my earlier post on IR's outstanding compositions (with SPB getting a major chunk) for SR movies, VVP, Nadigan, Brahma, TP (that you will be covering in 1992 compositions) all had very good songs (mostly sung by SPB & SJ). Most of SR movies (in 1991 & beyond) had two heroines (Brahma had Kusbhu & BP). This

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Yes - and most of these had one among the 3C2 permutations of (Khushboo, Bhanupriya, Gauthami). Sathyaraj tried all possible 3some combinations then ;-)

Farams - yes seethakoka chiluka is the telugu version of Alaigal Oyvadhillai. Bharathirajaa remade it himself. Aruna Mucharla, whom he introduced in tamil in Kallukkul Eeram was given another fresh lease (in telugu) by her patron.

A_S - yes Brahmma was remade in indhi with Govinda and Madhoo(of Roja).

V_S - vAzhga vaLarga! :bow:

It seems that as the 80s waned and the 90s loomed in, Chennai/Popular media run from Chennai diverged further and further from then thamizhnAdu. This probably explains app not being familiar Idhayam's soup songs, big hit in Chennai but not quite to the extent of humongous then thamizhnaadu hits(even prior to Roja) like Lullaby Being Heard and UrnBank GoldLord in then thamizhnaadu. It would seem that the divergence started even prior to Roja. Going by the acute discomfort of some of the posh, urban youth of that time now in this forum, who heap scorn upon scorn on the rural sounds of Raja of then, it seems he gradually lost the modern trend mahadevans starting around this period.

Ofocurse, that doesnt explain app's unfamiliarity with humongous then thamizhnaadu hits UB GL and LBH. Perhaps, being holed up in Kerala with the new found influence of Venus in his life distracting him could be the reason.

Actually, kaNNukkoru vaNnakiLi indha periodla release AchungaRadhu dhAn AcharyamA irukku - not sure how it escaped my attention. Last year, i happened to hear the album in thiraipaadal - one song by IR - Gaanam thenkARROdu - is a stunner, that seems to be out of place in this album, I suspect it was composed earlier during the EVK period...

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Originally Posted by Plum

2) V_S - that must have been the handiwork of DS Ramanujam of MtRdMahaVishnu , who was heavily promoting SARs Virus and DEVAngaNam at that time.

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Plum and all, you guys amaze me every time this time bringing up reviews from 1988 Hindu :)
Related note::
http://tfmpage.com/forum/5758.15.43.01.html

Al - that's some link :lol:. Looks like DSR's notoriety preceded him to internet. ( Love through Bill Gates' discovery apropos kaadhalar dhinam :rotfl: ). Btw, andha threadla neengalum irundheengaLA :?:

Plum,

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Originally Posted by Plum

DS Ramanujam of MtRdMahaVishnu

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:lol: Idhula ivvaLavu vishyam irukka. Even when he was at his peak, some how this genius did not get unanimous support even in our state. I think everybody's belly was burning and was trying hard to bring him down. Thanks al_gates for the rare link, which showcases DSR's biasedness. I loved reading that thread. Even they mentioned about karutha machchaan which you talked about.
Thanks a lot Plum for your appreciation, really very happy to see your comments, it means a lot to me :D.


venkkiram,
Your post and your consideration is itself a great honor to me and I feel every one's feedback here is more than enough for me. :notworthy: Thank you so much.
I still feel, I have lot of scope for improvement, so I really don't know if my post deserve to be there in that fabulous solvanam site, but definitely will consider your interest.


Nerd,
I completely understand and I know I am troubling everyone with my lengthy posts. But thanks for reading my post. I too really don't know anything technical, just that some terms I know since I am learning piano with my son and got some interest. Really really touched by your comments. Thank you sir! :D

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Originally Posted by Plum

Actually, kaNNukkoru vaNnakiLi indha periodla release AchungaRadhu dhAn AcharyamA irukku - not sure how it escaped my attention. Last year, i happened to hear the album in thiraipaadal - one song by IR - Gaanam thenkARROdu - is a stunner, that seems to be out of place in this album, I suspect it was composed earlier during the EVK period...

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I don't think the movie got released ever...possibly the disk got released in 1991 (web resources call it "unreleased" movie).

innum ennai enna seyyappOkiRai youtube :
(They used to call Radhika as pombiLai Rajini - by the way Kushbu showers kisses on Kamal, she can be called "pombaLai Kamal :wink:" :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaV5F...eature=related

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Originally Posted by app_engine

I don't think the movie got released ever...possibly the disk got released in 1991 (web resources call it "unreleased" movie).

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App. you are correct. the movie was not released at all.

LP records were also not released for this movie. No one had any clue of the songs until Oriental Released this songs when they release the VIKRAM CD.

This is the only good done by Oriental records :) they did not release many songs when they release the cds.

App, today after long time I have listened Dharma film and just noticed closely that all songs are sung by SPB. why don't you any one of the song from that movie ? (hwo can we understand the details of the songs...:))

nanRi, Devaraagam!

Dharma seems to be a 1998 movie (if one goes by thiraippAdal)...this compilation is currently at 1992 & hence there're still a few more years to go before I reach that :-)

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Originally Posted by Nerd

:shock: :shock: :shock: Were you in mars? Undoubtedly your biggest miss. And quite a few *big* misses in that post.

Anyway please continue whenever you can. Really miss(ed) the posts.

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:-)

Like Plum said, the miss could be attributed 90% to my state but then I didn't miss thaLapathi or gunA or chinnathambi :wink:

So, while the songs were big with TN youths of that time, I'm not sure they crossed the state borders to hit Palakkad strong enough :-)

Now, the big day is coming up - year end of this compilation!

I would like the song# 366 (leap year) to be a real biggie.

I don't think 1992 will make it to that number (we're at 346 at the end of singAra vElan and 20 more won't be possible from 1992 in my reckoning).

So, let's start discussing about a 1993 number that can be used for the year-end biggie for that slot...we have at least 20 days to give suggestions & pick the one with max votes :-)

App,
Sorry to nitpick again. Definitely it is your pirority. I still think we should make #366 in 1992 as it is one of his biggest year scoring around 60 films. All were super hits. I just went through my list and discounted rare and unknown gems and came up with this list in 1992 which are bigger and blockbuster hits throughout TN. My pick is bolded for 1992. :smile:
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Ennai Thottu - Unnai Nenaichean Paattu Padichaen
SOlai Malai Oram - Villupaattukaaran
Kalaivaaniyo RaaniyO - Villupaattukaaran
Vaigai Nadthi Oram - Rickshaw Maama
Thanga NilavukkuL - Rickshaw Maama
Enathu ThittangaL - Kaaval Geetham
Muthumani Maalai - Chinna Gounder
KoondukuLLa - Chinna Gounder
KottukiLi - Chinnavar
Kaalaiyil KEttathu - Senthamizh Paattu
Chinna Chinna Thooral - Senthamizh Paattu
Adi Gomaatha - Senthamizh Paattu
Innisai Mazhai (almost all songs)
Holi Holi - Raasukutty
Adi Naan Pudicha - Raasukutty
Saami kitta - Aavaaram Poo
Adukku Malli - Aavaaram Poo
Amman Koyil VaasalilE - Thirumathi Pazhanisamy
Paadha kolusu - Thirumathi Pazhanisamy
Mayilaadum - Chinna Pasanga Naanga
Nadandhaal - Chembaruththi
Vaanam Thottu - Devar Magan
ThuLLi thirinthadoru - Endrum Anbudan
Chinnanchiru AnnakiLi - Endrum Anbudan
Vanamellaam Shenbagapoo - NaadOdi Pattukaaran

If you want me to pick the best in 1993 for #366 it would be these in that order. Undoubtedly it would be Ejamaan for me. I prefer SPB solo for #366.

1993
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Adi Raakkumuthu - Ejamaan
Oh Butterfly - Meera
Nalam Vaazha - Marupadiyum
Oru NaaLUm - Ejamaan
AalappOl - Ejamaan
Sivakaami NenappinilE - KiLipechu KEkkavaa
Sakkara Katti - ULLE VeLiyE



It's again your wish, if it should be Captain or Super Star. :wink:

If A_E miss Avarampoo(both SPB marvels) from 1992 compilation, i would be very sad since Avarampoo had IR stamp in it...Other than 2 SPB songs, we had celebrated IR voice in "Aalolam paadi", evergreen SJ solo in "Nadhiyoram" and Gandharva KJY in "Mandhiram"

AvArampoo - definitely in, I have a lovely memory attached to the numbers...

However, many others are not ringing a bell...may be I should listen to them in course of the next few days and then decide if it will be 1992 or 1993 :-)

My choices : if 1992, rAjAthi rAjA un thanthirangaL...if 1993, oru nALum unai maRavAtha....either way my choices are SPB-SJ ones :-)

Let's see how others feel...

1992 play offs - ennai thottu vs kottu kaLi. Former is the bigger hit albeit simple in orchestration, latter is so brilliantly "mood-creating", nicely ornamented. Ennai Thottu reaches finals through a superior qolty melody with a rare pattern of singer's melody from Raja - addictive turn of phrases, easy to sing along and infact, tempts to sing along. Thankfully, I can't hear myself sing and while people around me suffer my singing, I only hear SPB's voice in my head :lol:. Still a winner - has endured farther than Chinnavar. 2) Second playoff between paadha kolusu and saami kitta in next post

Paadha kolusu - huge hit, same fundamentals as Ennai thottu but with less surprises in tune flow. That being the USP which got Ennai Thotta through, paadha kolusu loses out to the under appreciated saamikitta. In the finals, it is again Enna Thottu's simplicity and sing-along versus Saamikitta's brilliant orchestration. In the end, Saamikitta emerges succesful for the brilliant first lude along with a serviceable melody and the longing and yearning in the tune and singing that adds the spice as against the overwhelmingly sweet Ennai thottu. Since I am old enough to have lost my sweet tooth but not old enough to lose attraction for the spice, Saamikitta emerges the winner and my choice for #366(from 1992)

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Originally Posted by app_engine

My choices : if 1992, rAjAthi rAjA un thanthirangaL...if 1993, oru nALum unai maRavAtha....either way my choices are SPB-SJ ones :-)

Let's see how others feel...

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App, Since I got inside the thread in between, did not aware of the year concept :). today gone through the earlier postings and still lot more there in 1992. I felt IR over worked during 1991 to 1993. Huge number of albums on these periods and fortunately I was in college so was able to watch most of the movies :)

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Originally Posted by app_engine

Both the SPB songs - 'idhayamE' & 'poonkodi thAn' are unknown to me. skip.

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:shock: :shock: :shock:

They were simply outstanding song esp "Poongodi thaan Poothathama pon vandu thaan "
the interludes , preludes were simply awesome my senior collegues in school used to sing this due to love failures :lol2:, though i hardly
understood such matters at that age, I used to listen to these songs regularly with them.

"Oh oh patti nalla patti than " by MV from that film was also a catchy one , due to Jollu lyrics :lol2:

And IR's voice in April May-ila; how a simple melodious song made into a Prabhu Deva romp. Don't know if that's a good thing or not.

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Originally Posted by app_engine

'pooththu pooththu kulunguthadi' & 'pAttu onna' - both songs sound so sweet from the GA directed movie kumbakkarai thangaiyyA

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Yes I remember these songs, very sweet indeed! BTW ithu Gramarajan padama :shaking:

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Originally Posted by app_engine

thAlAttu kEtkuthammA has 3 SPB numbers - nEnthukkitta, sutti sutti, yammA yammA - all unfamiliar, from a Prabhu movie :shock:

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This song must have been a hit those days Due to the "Smitha" factor! :lol2: But a horrible movie for Prabhu's standards!

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Originally Posted by Plum

Farams - yes seethakoka chiluka is the telugu version of Alaigal Oyvadhillai. Bharathirajaa remade it himself. Aruna Mucharla, whom he introduced in tamil in Kallukkul Eeram was given another fresh lease (in telugu) by her patron.

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Thanks for the clarification :)

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Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN

Yes I remember these songs, very sweet indeed! BTW ithu Gramarajan padama :shaking:

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Its gangai amaran movie and acted by Prabhu.

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Originally Posted by Devaraagam

App, today after long time I have listened Dharma film and just noticed closely that all songs are sung by SPB. why don't you any one of the song from that movie ? (hwo can we understand the details of the songs...:))

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Yes I really liked Dharma songs, but I tried to stay away from the film, for OBvious reasons :) :yessir:

App anna

Have you missed "sembaruthi" , AFAIK it was released in 91 right ?