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Thumburu,
ME is running 4shows at SAVITHA,Sampige Road Malleshwaram Bangalore 560003.Phone: 23444135 apart from PVR
Oh Come on Man..dont lose the context which mythila gave..avvai shanmugi was crude and vulgar if not voyeuristic..older men ogling at older woman. Mrs. Doubtfire was wholesome, trust our guys to mess things up further. Atleast mythila was polite about KH, my wife uses a uncomplimentary moniker for KH ..(starts with p in tamil :-( , ofcourse only in private conversations).Quote:
Originally Posted by alwarpet_andavan
I am with mythila when she says, that Kamal should do away with intimate scenes. The presence of these scenes is not crucial to the flow of story in an indian film. Hollywood uses them to show the depth of relationship between mostly unmarried people (sex as an indicator of the strenght of relationship - now you know where the white guys are making a mistake). In the Indian context, atleast theoretically physical relationship does not exist outside marriage and when married, it is very easy for the audience to understand the loss/death of the spouse as drastic. It is really sad, even Mani Ratnam has to resort to these sort of cliches (in k. muthamittal).
Kamal's onscreen antics with his heroines are down right silly and peurile. No wonder he never became a super star like Rajni. Mind you, he has good acting and directorial skills and I admire him for it. But the man has a weakness for things like this (like Clinton) and it is getting worse as he loses more hair and control over his waistline.
There can be no excuses for this onscreen behavior of Kamal.
hmm... kiru kiru kiru kiru ena kirangara kiru kiru kiru kiru ena kirukkuraQuote:
Originally Posted by kiru
kiru & mythila: interesting inputs on KH's onscreen leelaigal! what surprises me is, despite the apparent puerile nature of such sequences, none of the costars, who have been a part of KH's movies have ever gone public and complained about KH or his insistence in having such scenes/sequences!! isn't that intriguing ?
in Hey Ram, only the scenes involving Rani Mukherjee were over the top - the ones with Vasundhara were justified, for the simple reason that Saketh Ram is overcome by lust only in an inebriated condition and loses his sense of discretion - until that point of time, he is an unwilling partner in his second marriage thrust upon him by his family - besides, the entire drinking, making merry after getting drunk was a part and parcel of the ethos of the members of the earliest version of a certain group whose name starts with 'R' - this is substantiated by certain passages in the book 'Freedom at Midnight' - KH has nicely brought in this element in the character of Saketh Ram and his indulgence in booze and(followed by) lust!
in this context, MX comes as a sea-change, since the vulgarity element is almost non-existent - but alas, a movie without vulgar comedy has been described by many scribes as outright silly!! bizarre indeed
there is a saying in Tamil, the English translation of which is "Above the age of forty, it is the dog's brain that functions in a man" (Naarpadhu vayasukku mela naai buddhi!)
rooky, thanks for your valuable input :)
despite the apparent puerile nature of such sequences,
none of the costars, who have been a part of KH's movies
have ever gone public and complained about KH or his
insistence in having such scenes/sequences!! isn't that intriguing ?
- Not for us audience or the heroines who have been subjected to severe (wo)man handling by our manbumigu late Puratchi Thalaivar.
Kamal, being our sole hope for the redemption of Tamil cinema , all these "aadhangams" are directed at Kamal and not at some juveniles like Dhanush or that boys hero
(whatever is his name)
>older men ogling at older woman. Mrs. Doubtfire was >wholesome,
Really? How about the scenes where the bald headed producer falls for the older Mrs. D. And how about the scene where the old bus driver eyes Mrs. D, and Mrs. D shows him 'her' hairy leg?
Vellaikaarn snencha athu thappaa irukaathu ilayaa?
>Hollywood uses them to show the depth of relationship >between mostly unmarried people
Not always true.
>In the Indian context, atleast theoretically physical >relationship does not exist outside marriage and when >married,
Theoretically is correct. The world does not become dark becase the cat closes it's eyes.
>No wonder he never became a super star like Rajni.
Becoming a Super Star like Rajni has nothing to do with his on screen antics. It has to do with catering to the masses.
Mahendran and Balu Mahendra never became as succesful as KS Ravikumar.
Today, Dheena's songs become super hits, while IR songs are cherished by very few.
You know this. But, I guess your eagerness to prove your point blinded you.
I am not defending everything Kamal does on screen. I am only pointing out the holes in your argument.
Thumburu,
kaikira maraththukku thaan kal eri.
Its just that Kamal is bold and he doesnt hide anything. He has not done anything what KB, BR, BM or any other did. Its all well known what "Purathci Thalaivar" and "Nadigar Thilagam" did. Finding a purity in movie industry is very difficult, with few exceptions (like TR, IR). In one of interview, Kamal himself told that its very difficult to act in romantic scenes and he has to use two or three under garments to control himself.
On top of that we all know what SS did. There are rumours that I read in this forum itself that he is still indulging (I doubt because he is too old now and couldnt even give a dance step, so it would be hard for him, except he can do what Clinton did)
Having said all these, Kamal has to avoid these type of scenes because girls who used to like (and love) Kamal, once married start using the "P" word, just to save themselves from husbands and to save their daughter the feeling that they had while watching these scenes.
"kiru & mythila: interesting inputs on KH's onscreen leelaigal! what surprises me is, despite the apparent puerile nature of such sequences, none of the costars, who have been a part of KH's movies have ever gone public and complained about KH or his insistence in having such scenes/sequences!! isn't that intriguing"
If they did then they probably wouldnt be in business. But some like Roja(sour grapes for her I think) did say that she didnt want to do a film with KH because of the mandatory lip-to-lip. Or Kamal manages to "convince" them that it is necessary for the film. I think having those scenes is Kamal's way of catering to his front bench fans. In an otherwise poignant scene in Mahanadhi, that sudden lip-to-lip kiss seemed forcefully inserted. I dont buy all these land of Kamasutra(isnt that Kamal's line of defense BTW?) and our elders did it and all these arguments. Doesnt justify fully Kamal inserting such scenes in a blunt manner in films where they arent vital to the screenplay in any way. He can take a movie on extra-marital relationships or about even sex and have all the scenes he wants. It would'nt feel out of place. Its just that Kamal cannot make a movie keeping B and C center audiences in mind and suddenly include "scenes" that would befit a Hollywood movie in order to keep his front benchers happy.
BTW, Kamal not becoming a superstar doesnt have to do anything with these kind of scenes. MGR was a superstar and avar paNNaadhadhu edhuvum Kamal paNNidala :-) Rajni in NetrikaNN? He is still being praised for that role:-)
"Vellaikaarn snencha athu thappaa irukaathu ilayaa? "
irukkaadhu, because of our cultural mindset and how we perceive white people. Because of how their films have always been and because of the audience they make those films for.
This is a somewhat subjective topic.
" In one of interview, Kamal himself told that its very difficult to act in romantic scenes and he has to use two or three under garments to control himself. "
did he really say that? When? :-)