IR New Albums - Old responses (5 Aug 2006)

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Originally Posted by vijayr

If Shankar listens to COA by chance, he will definitely opt for Rahman. I heard the songs in Raaga(I am surprised they actually bothered to release it), I couldnt manage to listen to any song beyond the first 30 seconds. I guess this is IR's way of punishing Thankar Bachan for leaving him out in the previous movie :-)

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shankar is intelligent enough ....he wont think IR wud give like COA to his movie....first of all COA music suits its requirement ...IR scored for a movie..he dint release a private album....and as far as COA songs are concerned....
the ayappa song, AYE ENNA and the PATHO song are just mindblowing...with good picturisation they will be a real treat....other 2 songs too are very nice but i personally felt the synth usage is done as if in hurry ....overall COA songs are very very much credible for the movie......

Prabhudas

Digression ===>

if BigB could win a National award for that crap Hindi movie ( forgot the movie name) ==> the movie was AgneePath by Mukul Anand, an ordinary movie with good acting by Amitabh.

Did he deserve an award, yes for Sholay, Trishul (compare Sanjeev/Amitabh's activing with that of Satyaraj/Rajni in the overacted MR Bharath) and a hell a lot of movies.
Did he deserve an award for this movie -- Absolutely no! SPB deserved the award for Keladi Kanmani in 1990.

Anyways, fairness was never part of the Award system...

Bala

njv, I dont buy all this made-for-situations and so on. An album has to impress as a standalone(for eg. Nayagan songs impressed as a separate soundtrack and also when seen with the movie)first, before it impresses you when watched along with the movie. COA, to put it mildly, is medicore. I dont care if the movie happens to be good.

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Originally Posted by vijayr

njv, I dont buy all this made-for-situations and so on. An album has to impress as a standalone(for eg. Nayagan songs impressed as a separate soundtrack and also when seen with the movie)first, before it impresses you when watched along with the movie. COA, to put it mildly, is medicore. I dont care if the movie happens to be good.

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Okay sir.

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Originally Posted by prabhudas

Lastly, can somebody compare a shankar kind of movie in preShankar era, I mean a similar way of presentation ( a glorified Masala movie in other words)

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Yes, Selvamani was doing awesome jobs at that time. His Pulan visaranai, Captain Prabakaran, Sembaruththi (love subject) were huge hits. (the only downfall was the lengthy dialogues of vijayakanth)

Judge, Selvamani movies were no way incomparison to Shankar. If you watch Gentleman, you feel the same anxiety which you had couple of years back when this movie was released and on the other hand if you watch Pulan Visaranai you will burst into laughing. Scenes lifted from commando and the fake looking scenes. He went out of gas after 3 movies (Simbarathi happens to be remake of Hindi movie Bobby) but Shankar is now running little out of gas after 7 movies. But who knows with the help of his assistants he will be able to come out with new presentation for Super Star movie. So Selvamani's movies are no way near to Shankar movie and you cannot call his movies preshankar kind of movies. I think there was no one in Tamil but in Hindi there was Manmohan Desai who made huge masala movies with all the ingredients.

CAO, Sun TV trailers not promising, I am talking about IR's contribution, yet to listen to full album.
But a real let down of all the recent releases, but have to listen to the whole album anyways.
I thought when I watched "Vishwa Thulasi" first on trailers was far more impressive.

Digression
Mr.Judge,
I didn't mean huge hits, better presentation and content, Captain Prabhakaran was ok at best, other two were so so
( they might have been hits), well hits have been there always and will be there some deserving rightfully, some not worthy ( because of the Makkal like u know who...)

Shankar is not running out of Gas, Gas is becoming so expensive even Shankar can't afford :-)

Manmohan Desai and Shankar U mean to say Shankar innum oru 7 varushathule Suicide pannipparu na like MMD
.....Give me a break..... MMD was another glorified SPM kind, and he was not just one hindi there are and were many like him. MMD just had multistarrers mostly with good MDs( which 8 out of 10 times in Hindi are hits, then, now and in future too, I meant multistarrers, I think Kollywood actors are worst with inflated egos who are just destroying the meaningful tamil Film) and that works/worked good always for main stream masalas in Hindi ( don't expect path breaking scripts, innovative ideas of picturisation, narration, except some of the newer directors)

I didn't include RGV ( Shiva, Kshana Kshanam etc..)as his debut was in Telugu, RGV probably a comparable director and probably better in some ways than Shankar too


Prabhudas

I wanted IR to be the MD just to see what he can do with a canvas as wide as it would usually be in Shankar movies. Shankar wouldnt hesitate to spend on Hungary (or wherever) recordings and probably IR would get a chance to do something special. Creativity need not be shown only in serious,sober films like Moondram Pirai. I often wonder as to how creative an IR score would have been for the Chandralekha song in Thiruda Thiruda. It would have been no less magnificent if he had done it.
Same Cheran/ThankarBachan azhumoonji movies will yield the wish that IR stops working in this low-budget village movies, which dont succeed in extracting anything much out of him.
Some of Rahman's best creative efforts have come for Shankar's movies and the reason is not hard to see. IR has never had a chance to work with someone of Shankar's vision/grandeur -so chances are that the music would be something special which we have never heard of. Only a Kamal could extract Jazz out of IR, after IR had been in the industry for 30 years. Likewise a Shankar can extract something unique even after 800+ albums. We'll never know. The only problem here is the Rajni factor, which means a mandatory intro song, a dappanguthu and so on. If its more of a Shankar movie, or if IR and Shankar work in the future on a non-Rajni project, I believe the results will be..shall I say different at the very least, even if it isnt extraordinarily great.

"Same Cheran/ThankarBachan azhumoonji movies will yield the wish that IR stops working in this low-budget village movies, which dont succeed in extracting anything much out of him. "

missing a few words above which I deleted by mistake.should read as
"same Cheran/Thankarbachan azhumoonji movies would yield the same azhumoonji songs. I strongly wish that IR stops working in this low-budget village movies, which dont succeed in extracting anything much out of him

Vijay
I agree very much with ur statement, and with IR as u said " We will never know". It's just that Shankar's script is nothing extraordinary, it's the "Package" as Kodambakkam calls where he tries to make s difference, that's why I wanted to know if there were movies close to his style in PreShankar period and if IR did have a chance to score music for similar "Package",
Also since his scripts are not very diverse, that was my impression, heavily repitative if not inspired.
Shankar is perhaps capable of making movies of the genre like the "Indiana Jones" etc and yes IR combination would be terrific, the same usual Mr.Good Citizen kinds have been done by IR.
I also always wanted IR do a "Kaakka Kaakka" (which in my opinion was way superior in presentation than most of Shankar movies) kind racy action oriented movie
Prabhudas