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Thozhar: You may try to defend Rahman. But if you read the context he was painting IR as irrelevant. This is also his marketing positioning stating he is more relevant. You guys may fall for his false humility cloak that he puts on. He is a despicable person - terribly overrrated
You are entitled to your opinion. But, have you ever pondered that perhaps you may be the one who is reading it out of context? Perhaps your hatred for Rahman is making you do that?
Rahman fans don't fall for his humility, false or otherwise. We love his music and that is what matters to us. He never needed any marketing, definitely not in his current position. His music takes care of that.
Re: overrated, again, you are entitled to your opinion. Everyone has one. But, I am sure Rahman will be disappointed:-)
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That defines our tastes - your loving his music - there is not much in common between us - I have been in Marketing (not sales) for 30 years and and am a Senior Vice President of Marketing in the US. So I know a little about Marketing. His whole existence is based on a carefully orchestrated positioning - he was launched on a Maniratnam platform when Maniratnam brand had built an equity of hipness. He carefully cultivated this prception of humitlity and tons of ignorant people fell for it aided by the media. However, it was so evident right from the start that it was a fake show if only people had the analytical capability to parse through the garbage he was throwing out. I couldnt care much about the ignorant bunch thinking that his music is great - thats your perspective. But ask that fake to not to mouth off against IR - thats what enrages me - that fake hasnt done much and he probably knows that. Thats why he resorts to these cheap attacks. What a despicable human being
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First of all our media interviewers should be given a coaching class or training to ask the right question to a person. As Venkirram mentioned, the question posed to Rahman was not appropriate. He should not have asked any questions about Maestro, unless Rahman himself mentioned his name. Imagine if the interviewer had posed a similar question to Maestro about Rahman. It is a well known fact that both musicians have a different style of composing music and the output is different, although they don't like to refer or talk about their work. Can we demean KVM, Salil Choudhary and MSV's music? Just like Maestro's music, other musicians works are passed on through generations. Of course, time changes everything and that's true for everything in this world, be it music, movie stars, movies, art, etc. Rahman was answering the question based on how he saw the current music trend while Maestro would have given a different answer. No one really knows what's going on inside their mind. The fans should take things in its face value and continue to enjoy Maestro's endless music tunes. We don't care what someone commented on his music or legacy. As long as there are stupid media guys, we will continue to hear such nonsense from the press.
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^^^ Rahman is entitled to believe tastes have changed and we don't live in the IR era anymore (and nevermind the Filmfare nomination for NEPV or the award for Ramya NSK for Sattru Munbu, right?). However, the statement that really caught my attention was the claim that there's nobody even in the villages who hasn't heard his music. Really? How can he be so sure about that? Has he really gone to each and every village to determine this? What is the need to make such tall, boastful claims about his popularity?
thozhar, speak for yourself. Maybe YOU don't care about whether ARR is humble or not, but I have repeatedly seen ARR fans sing eons to his humility and, usually, draw IR into an unfavourable comparison on this account even claiming IR ought to learn something from him. I will not countenance listeners presuming to have the standing to tell IR what to do and what not to do.
They can't change their tune now that it transpires that maybe ARR is not so humble after all. :wink: I have personally never attached importance to a person's media image as long as he is not racist or discriminatory. But I do derive a tiny bit of pleasure from watching the cookie crumble for some of these deluded fans.
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That defines our tastes - your loving his music - there is not much in common between us - I have been in Marketing (not sales) for 30 years and and am a Senior Vice President of Marketing in the US. So I know a little about Marketing. His whole existence is based on a carefully orchestrated positioning - he was launched on a Maniratnam platform when Maniratnam brand had built an equity of hipness. He carefully cultivated this prception of humitlity and tons of ignorant people fell for it aided by the media. However, it was so evident right from the start that it was a fake show if only people had the analytical capability to parse through the garbage he was throwing out. I couldnt care much about the ignorant bunch thinking that his music is great - thats your perspective. But ask that fake to not to mouth off against IR - thats what enrages me - that fake hasnt done much and he probably knows that. Thats why he resorts to these cheap attacks. What a despicable human being
On the subject of how ARR cultivates his image, one of the most amusing, ridiculous things I have seen is in a CNN interview where he pretends to search for the name of the synthesizer in front of him in his studio...you know, it's so damn hard for the genius to get out of his dreamy haze. Yeah, right, can't name the stuff he works with everyday for a living, who's he kidding. Have you ever seen Ilayaraja speak in anything but a crystal clear manner? One may or may not agree with his statements and he can sometimes be pretty disagreeable but he always appear to be sure in his mind of what he is saying. And that's the way I have seen most musicians speak about their craft. But ARR has to appear to be this dreamy rockstar, else his fans would be so disappointed if he was just like everybody else. I make this observation because ARR certainly didn't speak like that in an old Abdul Hamir interview from around 1994. THAT is probably his natural tendency and what he offers for public consumption these days is likely a put on.
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The discussion started in "Raja fans - facebook" page regarding ARR reply in the kumudam interview.
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Appu Shiva -- I strongly condemn A.R.Rahman for lamenting that IR songs are no more hearable now and the people switched their likings. (Kumudam interview for a question IR songs are mostly heared in country side than his). We can understand his inner sense that how he respects a senior celebrity who is still No.1 in soulful music.
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.Agamendran Raju Oru. Sound. Engineerku. Isaiah pathi. Enna theriyumDecember 17 at 12:41pm via mobile ·
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.Avinash Ramesh Its not mostly heard in the country "its in tamilnadu " ..December 17 at 1:07pm via mobile · Like.
.Appu Shiva Avinash IR has more followers in AP and in Kerala too, he is been adjudged the best music director for 100 Years in Indian flim industryDecember 17 at 2:25pm · Like
..Avinash Ramesh Appu Shiva i said that with regards to the interview ..in the interview the interviewer asked IR's songs was mostly heard in interiors to tamilnadu he didnt ask with regards to country..December 17 at 3:00pm · Like.
.Sam Paavendan Is that recent interview? I doubt he will say openly like this, Kumudam is known for twisting the facts.December 17 at 3:25pm · Like ·
2..Nithiyanandan Nithi raja alwaz raja December 17 at 3:26pm · Like
..Venkatesh Anand Avan pechalam kekathinga..Viruthukku apparpattar nam aal avanoda compare pannathinga...avan pesuratha loosula vidunga....We are the king of music n God of musicDecember 17 at 4:11pm · Like · 1.
.Arun Govindaswamy Lesser mortal's will remain so ..... What more can one expect .... Not worth a discussion .....December 17 at 5:27pm via mobile · Like · 1
..Anantha Padmanabhan Aravind Rahman was given Oscar, Sorry got Oscar for a movie which got dubbed in tamil and didnt run even for 3 days even after lot of "PUBLICITY". If he says no onlikes Raja, Please let him self introspect and tell What was his last Hit?He scores one or two movies a year and those arenot standing est of times, whereas Raja Sir Music is till appreciated.Kumudam does tis work beatifully for Increasing their Circulation.December 17 at 5:57pm · Like · 1.
.Bhaskar NV Ivan vera mathiri....!!!!December 17 at 7:29pm · Like · 1.
.Navin Mozart ரஹ்மான் ,"ராஜா காலத்து ரசனை மாறிவிட்டது என்கிறார்..""ராஜா இசையை யாரும் கேட்பதில்லை "என்று சொன்னதாக தெரியவில்லை.இரண்டிற்கும் நெறைய வேற்றுமை உள்ளது ...அதாவது ராஜா காலத்தில் மக்கள் நல்ல இசைரசனை உடையவர்களாக இருந்தனர் ...ஆனால் இன்று அந்த ரசனை இல்லை ...அவர்கள் ரசனை மாறிவிட்டது ...அதனால் அந்த காலத்தில் வந்த பாடல்களை போல் இப்போது போட்டால் ரசிப்பத்தற்க்கு ஆள் இல்லை என்கிறார்..இதையே தான் ராஜா தோணி படப்பாடல் வெளியீடு விழாவில் ...மலர்ந்தும் மலராத பாடல் போல் இப்போது விஜய் அஜித்துக்கு போடா முடியுமா ?போட்டால் கேட்பார்களா ?என்று கேட்டார்...அதுமட்டும் அல்ல எந்த ஒரு இசைஅமைப்பாளரரிடமும் போய் உங்கள் இசையை யாருமே கேட்பதில்லை என்று கூறினால் இந்த பதிலை தான் எதிரப்பர்க்கமுடியும்....December 18 at 12:16am · Like · 11.
.Senthil Vinu Navin Mozart, Well put! Rahman doesn't mean it in negative sense. It seems like he is lamenting at the current taste of music. Raja himself believed music taste was lost in 80's even at his peak. At several instances, publicly, he has asked directors to come with different situations and not the same old situations. This is another reason he barred most producers from his composing room.December 18 at 12:36am · Like · 2.
.Ramesh Krishnan http://www.sivakasinews.com/.../ilai...riod-music.../
"Ilaiyaraja period music taste has changed" - A.R.Rahman
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"Ilaiyaraja period music taste has changed" - A.R.Rahman (Kumudam Dec 10, 2013).December 18 at 2:55am · Like · 1.
.Ramesh Krishnan ARR has said it very diplomatically and there is nothing wrong. the point is, the question itself conveys that Raja's music is popular in interior tamil nadu but his is not.December 18 at 2:56am · Like · 1.
.Sam Paavendan People (I am talking about public not fans) don't have patience to sit in front of the tape recorder listen as they did during vaidhegi kathirunthaal and Idhayakoyil etc. They want to hear some foot tapping numbers on the go. Raja's music can't be enjoyed that way.December 18 at 3:15am · Like
..Navin Mozart Sam Paavendan Really...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHSpqVaud80
Kannada Prem Kahani : Hodadavne
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Director: R Chandru Choreographer: Harsha. A Music Director: Maestro Ilayaraja C...inematographer: KS Chandrashekar Cast : Ajay Rao, Sheela, Rangayana Raghu, Da...See More.December 18 at 3:58am · Unlike · 3.
.Navin Mozart Beat ennavo Venga boys paatu thaan aana tune....Originall..rahman pala paatu mathri..December 18 at 3:59am · Edited · Like..Navin Mozart http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PfcJ88qdjE
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"Kadhal Kavithai" Parsanth, Ishagopika Hit Film.December 18 at 4:03am · Like.
.Jayaram Balasubramanyam luks he said casualy and we shoud understad inniki rahman paatu gramathuku poyachuDecember 18 at 4:38am · Like.
.Dileep Kumar Shatdharshanam Listen to "Ottesi Cheputha" from Om Shanthi to know another Foot tapping song of IlayarajaDecember 18 at 6:24am · Like.
.Appu Shiva- Dear Navin and Senthil , the question from the reporter was clear and direct , that people in villages enjoys IR songs than his, A.R.Rahman answer should be yes or no, he need not cleverly divert the question that present people changed their likings.. who said ,, I had seen even in city , people hear IR songs during public transport , inside cars , restaurants, etc. And mostly NRI's hear IR songs to feel homely.Take the note of actor Nazer mentioned in one of the function the fact that people in country side hear only IR songs.Pizza and humburger never replaces Idly and dosa at any time period..................Also i heard annakili and 16 Vaithenela are repeative heared in villages not Porale ponnuthaiye....What i criticize one should accept that his creativity is not par with IR and long live...it may hard to digest but it is the fact December 18 at 7:51am · Edited · Like · 3
..Appu Shiva Also Rahman mentions IR period songs , as if he is out of flim industry in 1993,, he not even bother that IR still give symphony music in NEPV and Megha, and provoke that IR period is already completed and he is ruling now and one day other will come ... completely baseless theory,, I never seen a music directgor after IR,, all are acoustic mixers or half baked copy and paste genre.December 18 at 7:58am · Edited · Like · 1.
.Senthil Vinu --Appu Shiva, Ok I will take back my word that Rahman was lamenting at the state of current music taste. I read the interview in Tamil now, earlier I was going my friend's post. I was wrong. Anyway, I don't want to get what Rahman is saying. I just don't think popularity in village, rural, city, country and world is measure of any one's genius, especially Raja's. How to name it and Nothing but wind are not as popular in our villages like Annakilli songs. Does that take away the genius of the works? His genius is in his works, don't need any external criteria or comparison to support it.December 18 at 11:03am · Edited · Like · 4.
.Sridhar Ravi Senthil Vinu A unheard point you said. NICE ONE :)December 18 at 3:45pm · Like.
.Shankar Nag I have read that interview. It is not as scathing as it seems. He has even said in future his songs too will be replaced by someone else.But certainly I feel he cud not accept the fact that even now in villages(in buses,or in some functions(why even in FM radios)) Raja is still the Raja. Rahman cud not replace him. Of course Rahman cannot accept this. One has to be very very matured to do so . I hope time will give that maturity.December 18 at 5:46pm · Like · 3.
.Shankar Nag Mukki Mukki music podraar rahman. Ilayaraja best nu solla enna vekkam vendi irukku? appadi sonnal un peyar innum uyarum.December 18 at 5:49pm · Like.
.Sam Paavendan In villages, they still hear MGR, Sivaji songs and IR songs as well. They shy away from Rahmanish.December 18 at 6:24pm · Like.
.Agamendran Raju Oru padaluku 6varam edukkum rahman engae 1/2hourla 6 padal Raja engae. Chinnathambi kettu paruga puriyumDecember 18 at 6:36pm via mobile · Like.
.Appu Shiva Thanks Senthil for your understanding on the subject...RegardsDecember 18 at 10:00pm · Like.
.Appu Shiva Navin , the song Hodadavne kannada, is an enjoyable song with different beats out of the box, you can check my comment on the youtube song link given 3 years before in the name masala0011. This song I hear when I am stressed in office , after hearing I will be relaxed to some extentDecember 18 at 10:13pm · Like.
.Ragunaath Rathnam he reporters question stand invalid.
The people in Villages, may be you can call youths of villages, they listen to the current trend. From GV to everyone, this is the fact. The TV's and media got in to every corners, the change in medium is inevitable.
Also they still listen to Ilayaraja.December 19 at 12:00am · Like.
.Shankar Nag Yes accepted, when a thing is played in a T.V. Media,one cannot but help to watch it. But have u ever travelled in those local buses, and have U listened wat songs they choose to play during some family or temple functions. It is still IR songs only. Even at night, Fms throng with Raja sir songs only.December 19 at 4:49pm · Unlike · 1.
.Shankar Nag Many internet centers I used. 9/10 times there they play Raja songs only. Right now I am listening to Singalattu chinnakkuyileDecember 19 at 4:51pm · Like..
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Hi Friends. Thread is getting diverted. Let us focus on IR and his music. We know what IR and his music all about. It's Divine and Time Tested Music. Let us not compare IR with anyone and move on ..So Called Celeberities do not want give Credit to him because they will look too small in front of his fame and name....He is way beyond anyone reach and always given MUSIC beyond Time...Will stay forever. GOD bless everyone...
Rgds - Madhan
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I have been following this discussion without jumping in. I am not an unbiased observer. I love Ilaiyaraaja - the versatility of the man is unmatched as far as I know. I do listen to Rahman and other composers and enjoy them occasionally. When Yuvan sung for Rahman I felt some soft of happiness that our composers are all capable of collaborating and raising above petty differences. I fail to understand this mentality that one composer's period is over and the other one's reign should begin. Why cant diverse composers thrive at the same time and add to the listening pleasure of fans?
I believe that the question asked in the interview was not relevant and need not have been asked. However, if only Rahman had voiced something like what I said above: "all composers have their place and only time will tell how someone's creations endure across generations."
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That defines our tastes - your loving his music - there is not much in common between us - I have been in Marketing (not sales) for 30 years and and am a Senior Vice President of Marketing in the US. So I know a little about Marketing. His whole existence is based on a carefully orchestrated positioning - he was launched on a Maniratnam platform when Maniratnam brand had built an equity of hipness. He carefully cultivated this prception of humitlity and tons of ignorant people fell for it aided by the media. However, it was so evident right from the start that it was a fake show if only people had the analytical capability to parse through the garbage he was throwing out. I couldnt care much about the ignorant bunch thinking that his music is great - thats your perspective. But ask that fake to not to mouth off against IR - thats what enrages me - that fake hasnt done much and he probably knows that. Thats why he resorts to these cheap attacks. What a despicable human being
I don't care if you are God Himself. You have no right to comment about others' analytical capabilities. And, to call Rahman fans an ignorant bunch? Now, that is despicable, cheap, and rude. I am a nobody to ask Rahman to stop mouthing off anyone. And, may I remind you, so are you - VP in the US or in Mars...or not. What if he keeps mouthing off? What will you do?:-)
Re: garbage, based on what you write, it seems that is what your choice of music is. A person listening to good music won't spew such garbage.
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"else his fans would be so disappointed if he was just like everybody else. "
All I can say is, "nonsense".
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"else his fans would be so disappointed if he was just like everybody else. "
All I can say is, "nonsense".
I am sorry but some of his fans have even resorted to mocking IR for wearing kurta-veshthi. That leaves me no choice but to make the above conclusion. I am not including you in the above statement but I would again request you not to speak on behalf of all ARR fans.
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ரஹ்மான்: அதே போல் இசையிலும் ரசனை மாற்றம் வந்துகொண்டேதான் இருக்கும். இன்றைக்கு ராஜாவைத் தாண்டி, நாளைக்கு என்னையும் தாண்டி, இசை ரசனை வளர்ந்துபோய்க் கொண்டுதான் இருக்கும்.
இதிலேயும் எனக்கு முழுக்க உடன்பாடில்லை.
"இன்றைக்கு ராஜாவைத் தாண்டி, நாளைக்கு என்னையும் தாண்டி, இசை ரசனை வளர்ந்துபோய்க் கொண்டுதான் இருக்கும்." - ரசனை மாற்றம் வரும். ஆனால் ரசனை வளர்ந்ததாக/வளர்வதாகத் தெரியவில்லை. எது "ரசனை வளர்ச்சி"?
"இன்றைக்கு ராஜாவைத் தாண்டி," - இதிலேயே முழு உண்மையும் பட்டவர்த்தனமாக வெளிப்பட்டுவிடுகிறது. ரஹ்மான் அலை 92-ல் தொடங்கியதிலிருந்தே ராஜா இல்லை என நினைத்துக் கொண்டிருப்பவர்களுக்கு ரஹ்மானின் இந்த தன்னிலை ஒப்புதல் நம்பமுடியாமல் போகலாம். "இன்று ராஜாவைத் தாண்டி" - என்பதை சொல்ல இருபது வருடங்கள் ஆகிவிட்டது. இந்த இருபது வருடத்தில் அதுவும் இரண்டாயிரம் ஆண்டுகளில் ராஜா புதிய படங்களில் முன்பு இருந்ததுபோல பெரிய பேனர் படங்கள் செய்யாமலிருந்தும் இன்னும் ராஜாவின் வீச்சு குன்றிலிட்ட விளக்குபோல ஒளிவீசிக் கொண்டே இருக்கிறது.
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My two cents.. The question from the interviewer is absurd. Atleast ARR could have politely avoided or skipped answering to such sort of questions. He did similar thing couple of months back in CNN IBN interview.
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கிழேயுள்ள புகைப்படம் 1991 இல் வெளிவந்த தளபதிப் பாடலான சுந்தரி கண்ணால் ஒரு சேதி.. என்ற பாட்டு இப்போதைய மும்பாயிலும் அப்போதைய பம்பாயிலும் பதிவு பண்ணிக் கொண்டிருக்கும் போது எடுக்கப்பட்டது ( நன்றி நண்பர் எடி தினேஷ் )
இந்தப்பாட்டைப் பற்றி இசைஞானியும் பாடிய பாலுவும் இரு முக்கியமான தகவல்களைக் கூறியிருந்தார்கள்.. இந்தப் பாட்டின் மெட்டுக்கு கன கச்சிதமாக ஐயா வாலி பாட்டெழுதிய வித்தகத்தைப் பற்றி இசைஞானியும்,
மும்பாய் ஒலிப்பதிவுக் கூடம் ஒன்றில் இந்தப் பாடல் பதிவு நடந்த போது ராஜாவின் இசைக்குறிப்பை படித்து, வியந்து, இசைத்து முடிந்ததும், மகராஷ்டிரா இசைக்கலைஞர்கள் எல்லோரும் எழுந்து நின்று கைதட்டியதை பார்த்து, தான் பரவசப் பட்டதைப் பற்றி பாலுவும் கூறியதை நாங்கள் பலர் கேட்டிருக்கலாம்.
இந்தப் பாட்டின் இன்னும் பற்பல விடயங்கள் என்னைப் பிரமிக்க வைத்துக் கொண்டேயிருக்கின்றன.
பல்லவியில் தாள வாத்தியமே பாவிக்கப்படவில்லை.
பின்னணியில் அலை அலையாக எழும் வயிலின்களின் ஆர்ப்பரிப்பு எனக்கு கடல் அலைகளின் ஆர்ப்பரிப்பையே நினைவு படுத்துகின்றன....
இடையிசையில் முதலில் ட்ரம்ஸ்களுடன் மிக அமைதியாக ஆரம்பிக்கிறார் இசைஞானி. அந்த அமைதியான ஆரம்பம் புயலுக்கு முந்திய அமைதியைப் போன்றே எனக்குத் தோன்றுவதுண்டு. அவற்றுடன் வந்து சேர்ந்து கொள்ளும் ட்ரம்பெற்களின் ஆக்ரோஷம்.. அதன் பின் அவை அடங்கிப் போதல், அவைக்குப் பதிலாக ஆர்ப்பரிக்கும் வயிலின்கள் கோரஸ் கூட்டணி என்று பயணிக்கும் அந்த இசைப் பிரமாண்டம் சிறு வயதில் நான் பார்த்துப் பிரமித்த பென்ஹர் என்ற ஆங்கிலப் படத்தின் பிரமாண்டத்துக்கு (என்னைப் பொறுத்தவரை ) ஒப்பானது. அந்த இசைப் பிரமாண்டம் அப்படியே கொஞ்சம் கொஞ்சமாக சாந்தமாகி தப்லாவுக்கும் பின் சரணத்துக்கும் வழிவிடும் அழகு .அப்பப்பா..அதுதான் ராஜா அழகு. .
இந்தப்பாட்டைப் பாடிய பாலுவும் ஜானுவும் வேறு கலக்கியிருக்கிறார்கள். காதலால் படும் வேதனையை விபரிக்கும் இந்தப் பாட்டின் முதலாவது சரணத்தின் இடையில் வரும் வார்த்தைகளை , கவிஞர் வாலி " வான் நிலவை நீ கேளு கூறும் என் வேதனை " என காதலன் பாடுவதாக எழுதியுள்ளார். இந்த வார்த்தைகளை பாலு எப்படிப் பாடியிருக்கிறார் என்பதைக் கவனியுங்கள்.:
வான் நிலவை என்பதை சாதாரணமாகப் பாடும் பாலு " நீ" என்பதில் ஒரு பொடி சங்கதியும் "கேளு" என்பதை கே..ளூ..என்றும் ,கூறும் என் வேதனை என்பதில் வரும் " வேதனை" என்பதை " வேஃதனை" என்று அருமையான சங்கதி போட்டதன் மூலம் அந்த வார்த்தையின் அர்த்தத்தை... வேதனையை வேதனையுடன் பாடி ராஜாவின் இசைக்கற்பனையை இன்னும் செதுக்கி அதை முழுமையடையச் செய்கிறார். இதுதான் பாலு ராஜா கூட்டணியின் வெற்றி. இதைத்தான் mutual understanding என்பது. இனி ஒரு போதும் கிடைக்காத கூட்டணி இது என்பதை மீண்டும் ஆணித்தரமாக இங்கே பதிகிறேன்.
இதே போலவே பலத்த வேலைப்பாடுகளுடன் அமைந்துள்ளது இரண்டாம் இடையிசை
இதில் இன்னொரு விடயத்தையும் நான் குறிப்பிட்டே ஆகவேண்டும். அதாவது பல்லவியிலும் இடையிசையிலும் அதிகாரம் செலுத்தும் வயிலின் கூட்டணி, சரணத்தில் அடங்கி விடுகின்றது. ஆனால் சரனம் முடிந்து பல்லவிக்கு மீண்டும் பாடல் திரும் பும் போதும், அதற்கு முன் ஜானகி பாடும் " என்னையே தந்தேன் உனக்காக ..ஜென்மமே கொண்டேன் அதற்காக " என்ற வரிகளின் போதும் மீண்டும் நாசுக்காக பாட்டின் பின்னணியில் ஒலிக்கத் தொடங்கும் வயிலின் கூட்டணி, ஒவ்வொரு முறை பல்லவி பாடும் போதும் பின்னால் ஒலித்துக் கொண்டேயிருக்கின்றது. இந்த வயிலின்களின் கூட்டணிதான் எம்மையறியாமலேயே நாம் இந்தப் பாட்டுக்குள் கிறங்கிப் போவதற்கு முக்கிய காரண*ம். ராஜாவின் இந்த இசை சூட்சுமத்தை அவரின் பல பாடல்களில் கேட்கலாம். அவரின் வெற்றியின் ப்ல சூட்சுமங்களில் இது முக்கியமானது என நான் உறுதிபட நம்புகின்றேன்.
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இவற்றைவிட இன்னும் ஏராளமான , எவ்வளவோ விடயங்களை அடுக்கிக் கொண்டே போகலாம். ஆனால் இவையெல்லாவற்றிற்கும் முத்தாய்ப்பாக எனக்குத் தோன்றுவது புல்லாங்குழல் இசைதான்.
பாட்டின் தொடக்கத்தை பல வயிலின்களின் கூட்டணியுடன் நடு நாயகமாக வந்து அட்டகாசமாக . ஆரம்பித்து வைக்கிறது புல்லாங்குழல் . அதன் பின் பல்லவியின் ஒவ்வொரு வார்த்தைகளின் முடிவிலும் 4 தடவைகள், கொஞ்சம் வித்தியாசமான ஒலியுடன் மீண்டும் வருகின்றது புல்லாங்குழல் .
ஒருவேளை இரு வேறுபட்ட புல்லாங்குழல்களை இந்த இசை வித்தியாசத்தையும் அதன் மூலமான உணர்வு மாற்ற*த்தை ஏற்படுத்தும் முகமாக இசைஞானி பாவித்திருக்கக் கூடும்.
இதில் கவனிக்க வேண்டியது என்னவென்றால், . இந்த நாலு தடவையும் அது எந்தவிதமான உணர்ச்சியை பாடலுக்குள் புகுத்துகின்றது என்பதைத்தான். பாடலின் வார்த்தைகளையும் அதைத் தொடர்ந்து அந்த வார்த்தைகளுக்கேற்ப புல்லாங்குழல் என்ன ஜாலங்களை செய்கின்றது என்பதையும் அடுத்துப் பாருங்கள் :
" சுந்தரி கண்ணால் ஒரு சேதி...( புல்லாங்குழல் வெட்கப் படுகிறது, அல்லது வியப்பை வெளிப்படுத்துகிறது )
சொல்லடி இந்நாள் நல்ல தேதி....( புல்லாங்குழல் சிணுங்குகிறது )
என்னையே தந்தேன் உனக்காக...( அதே நாணம் )
ஜென்மமே கொண்டேன் அதற்காக ( அதே சிணுங்கல் )
உண்மையில் இது ஒரு விதமான உரையாடல் . பாலுவுக்கும் ஜானகி அம்மாவுக்கும் , புல்லாங்குழல் தன்பாட்டுக்குப் பதில் சொல்லிக் கொண்டே போவதாகவே எனக்குப் படுகின்றது.
இந்தப்பாட்டு வெளிவந்து 23 வருடங்கள் ஆகிவிட்டது. ஆனால் எனக்குத் தெரிய இந்தப் பாடலைப் பற்றி இது வெளிவந்த காலத்தில் இதன் இனிமையைத் தவிர்த்து இதற்குள்ளிருக்கும் இசைச் சூட்சுமங்களைப் பற்றி எவரும் பெரிதாக அலட்டிக் கொண்டதாக எனக்கு நினைவில்லை. ஆனால் சமீப காலங்களாக எஸ்.பி.பாலு அடங்கலாக பலர் இது ஒரு மிகச் சிறந்த இசைச் சேர்க்கை என க் கூறத் தொடங்கியுள்ளதை அவதானிக்கக் கூடியதாக உள்ள*து.
ஏன் அப்படி ? இந்தப் பாட்டு மிகச் சிறந்த கொம்பொசிஷனாக இருந்திருந்தால் இன்றைக்கு 22 வருடங்களுக்கு முன்னரேயே நாம் ஏன் இதைக் கொண்டாடாமல் இப்போ தூக்கிப் பிடிக்கிறோம் ?? அதற்கான விடை ஒன்றே ஒன்றுதான் இந்தப் பாடல் வெளிவந்த போது எமக்கிருந்த இசையறிவு வரையறுக்கப் பட்டது. அது இதன் சூட்சுமங்களை அறியப் போதுமானதாக இருக்கவில்லை. ஆனால் கடந்த இரண்டு தசாப்தமாக எமக்குள் ஏற்பட்ட வளர்ச்சியும் சர்வதேச
இசைகளைக் கேட்டும் படித்தும் பெற்ற பட்டறிவும், இப்போ இந்தப் பாடலைக் கேட்கும் போது மலைக்கவும் வியக்கவும் வைக்கின்றது.
இது 1991 இல் காலம் கடந்து போடப்பட்ட பாட்டு. இதில் இசைஞானியுடன் சேர்த்து அத்தனை இசைக்கலைஞர்களும் மனதாரப் பாராட்டப் பட வேண்டியவர்கள்.
முக்கியமாக புல்லாங்குழல் கலைஞன் ( Napoleon Selvaraj திரு.நெப்போலியன்)
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IR hospitalized after he complained of chest pain. Update (according to below tamil website) is that all regular tests have been completed and angiogram is in progress.
http://entertainment.oneindia.in/tam...ed-127928.html
http://tamil.oneindia.in/movies/news...ed-190139.html
My sincere wishes for his speedy recovery.
thanks,
Krishnan
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Wish him a speedy recovery.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
venkkiram
ரஹ்மான்: அதே போல் இசையிலும் ரசனை மாற்றம் வந்துகொண்டேதான் இருக்கும். இன்றைக்கு ராஜாவைத் தாண்டி, நாளைக்கு என்னையும் தாண்டி, இசை ரசனை வளர்ந்துபோய்க் கொண்டுதான் இருக்கும்.
Just a small example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAltddaLLf0
Movie: Kadal (2013)
Song: Adiyee....
MD: ARR
Copied from
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRy9e7aNSjg
Album: Ali Farka Toure with Ry Cooder (Talking Timbuktu) (1994)
Artist: Ali Farka Touré (Malian - 1939-2006 RIP)
ARR has popularized other's works not his. Hence if at all, anything that is playing in Indian villages are of others. Credit should go to the original artist.
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Originally Posted by venkkiram
ரஹ்மான்: அதே போல் இசையிலும் ரசனை மாற்றம் வந்துகொண்டேதான் இருக்கும். இன்றைக்கு ராஜாவைத் தாண்டி, நாளைக்கு என்னையும் தாண்டி, இசை ரசனை வளர்ந்துபோய்க் கொண்டுதான் இருக்கும்.
First of all he is insisting that people listening to his music bcos their knowledge have improve . How sad is that , any art or music should reflect their culture or their land . Interns of music when people listen to music they should get that feel . Nothing wrong with listen music from other culture or country as long as that music give you that feel
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IR had a mild heart attack!!!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
dochu
just a small example:
movie: kadal (2013)
song: adiyee....
md: arr
copied from
album: ali farka toure with ry cooder (talking timbuktu) (1994)
artist: ali farka touré (malian - 1939-2006 rip)
arr has popularized other's works not his. Hence if at all, anything that is playing in indian villages are of others. Credit should go to the original artist.
ஹலோ, காப்பி அடிச்சாலும் கரெக்டா பன்றோம்ல..உங்களை மாதிரி சிலர் பண்ற சதியால மாட்டிக்கிறோம். இல்லாட்டி கேடு கேட்ட தமிழனால கண்டு பிடிக்க முடியுமா லாஸ் எஞ்ச்லேஸ்ல எந்த cd போட்டு கேட்டுகிட்டு இருக்கோம்னு?
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Adiye is not a COPY of that song. That way, almost everything Ilayaraja has done is a copy of JS Bach or, failing that, Vivaldi. Composers can derive influence from Western music, nothing wrong with that. And secondly, that would be an extremely hypocritical argument to use against ARR when IR also infuses a lot of Western influences in his music. Do you think the Western aspect of IR's music just sprung out of thin air? It obviously has a precedent in the vast body of Western music over the centuries, be it classical music or rock music. The difference I would say is a song like Adiye is very generic, like a very typical blues/soul track whereas IR has evolved his signature chords and motifs. ARR differentiates himself from the rest of the crowd through a new sound while IR's approach is more 'classical' and his music is identified by distinct patterns in the chord or melodic progressions he uses. Both approaches are valid though the latter is probably more challenging to achieve.
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crimson king
ARR differentiates himself from the rest of the crowd through a new sound while IR's approach is more 'classical' and his music is identified by distinct patterns in the chord or melodic progressions he uses. Both approaches are valid though the latter is probably more challenging to achieve.
I hope I understood you correctly. You seemed to agree that IR's musical arrangements are much more complex and challenging.
It is quite obvious that the musical arrangements in that 1994 song is similar to Kadal song. If one argues that these are standard musical arrangements that comes with a keyboard or whatever package, then ARR is quite limited in creativity. Please type in ARR copycat in youtube - you will end up with tons of similarity in most of his songs.
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There's nothing very unique about the arrangements of that 1994 song. Those are very typical blues arrangements. There is no need for them to be derived from a keyboard package, it is a blues tradition. If somebody uses a call and response in a Hindi song, would you point to a specific qawali track and claim it is copied from that or say it is BASED on qawali. Adiye is simply based heavily on blues, that's all. I can name any number of tracks with similar chord progressions. When I first heard Adiye, this was the song that came to my mind and it was originally recorded in 1975 (video is of a recent live performance), obviously much older than Talking Timbuktu.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ4l54ZA120
Yes, I do consider IR's music more complex than ARR. That by itself does not make ARR a copycat or his approach invalid. All your exhibit demonstrates his music is based on some Western GENRE. The word copycat should be used with care. Would you also agree that Mouna Raagam theme is copied from Flash Dance? Obviously not, I presume. Any and every similarity does not amount to plagiarism.
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Seriously the entire lot of you have lost your plot. Thalaivar has a health scare and you all are focusing on Rahman. We fans can do better than that for sure.
As for the "controversial" interview, it makes sense why thalaivar hates journalists so much. They twist and focus on the "masala" points so that they can get controversial replies from the people being asked. They have put Rahman into the same trap. The ones who are sniping at Rahman for his answers should know very well that these are the same journalists who made thalaivar respond like that in the past. Stop creating a idi stormu out of a tea cuppu.
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Hopefully this chest pain is stress related and not genetic. He must be overworked doing many movies at this age. Have a speedy recovery and a extended rest, God of Music!
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Wishing Raja a very speedy recovery.
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I think his health condition is stable now..
http://www.sify.com/movies/ilayaraja...xsU5idfie.html
Neraya pada pannalaamum parvaale... just do 1 or 2 films a year and hope he takes care of his health... We need him to be around for many more years.........
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Maestro was rushed to hospital from his studio while composing for a movie. At 70 years and 36 years after Annakili release, Maestro's output is as fresh as ever when we first heard the songs in 1977. Maestro's music will never become irrelevant. Very soon, he is going to compose his 1000th music album and we want him to accomplish that. Let's pray to give our Maestro all the courage and health to produce more wonders in the coming years.
At this moment of reflection the following interview by SPB is worth recalling - just listen to the intelligent questions posed by Sriram which was well prepared unlike this reporter from Kumudham magazine. Maestro's output has not changed in spite of all the digital techniques and computers which is so prevalent today. As I have mentioned before, in present time, a playback singer can croon in his own sound proof room and record a song. The music director can more or less complete the song with all orchestration and cues while flying 30,000 feet on his laptop computer. Another sound engineer would then clean up the track and release it. No wonder these so called croons are one-time YouTube hits and then gone like a wind never to be heard. Directors and Producers just need some listener numbers in social media and FM Radio stations to declare a song as "Hit". This is a big joke now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD1qFwu15OY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQxetf5SBpU
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Seriously the entire lot of you have lost your plot. Thalaivar has a health scare and you all are focusing on Rahman. We fans can do better than that for sure.
Other than praying for him, there is nothing much ordinary people like us can do. Hence I thought, rather than post similar 'wish him health' posts, discussion moved on. I understand, wrong timing.
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Thanks tvsankar for giving the link. It's great to hear Maestro's voice. Karthick was saying that the doctors were suspecting some block in the heart. We don't know if he had a mild attack or chest pain. Yuvan and Karthick should conduct the concert on 29th. We want our Maestro back after he gets enough rest. I hope that he doesn't travel at this point.
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yeah... I just listened to him in the other Raja site.
Raja...:(
With loving thoughts and positive prayers.. for some of us is your sangeetham,
Idhayam oru koyil adhil udhayam oru paadal.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E9fhavtTEw
vinatha
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dochu
Other than praying for him, there is nothing much ordinary people like us can do. Hence I thought, rather than post similar 'wish him health' posts, discussion moved on. I understand, wrong timing.
Thanks buddy! :D . We can discuss about other stuff such as that of Oru Oorla where the songs are already out or his current concert activities etc. There are certainly news for us to talk about. Talking about Oru Oorla, has nobody come across it or missed it by any chance? It is weird for you guys to be so silent about a new album release.
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I have been meaning to buy the album oru oorla in amazon.com or iTunes.com, however I keep running into the problem of finding the other movie by the same name released in 2007 (music JK selva)? NOt sure when our thalaivar's movie will release in these platforms.
I wish him a speedy recovery. Have been listening to many of his live shows and wishing that he gets well....
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IR returning to normalcy and is keen to keep his Malaysia concert schedule intact (just four days away). I hope he will take care of not putting too much stress on himself during the concert.
http://tamil.oneindia.in/movies/news...rt-190209.html
"...இளையராஜா இப்போதைக்கு ஓய்வெடுத்தால் நன்றாக இருக்கும் என மருத்துவர்கள் சொல்கிறார்கள். எனவே புத்தாண்டுக்குப் பிறகு கச்சேரியை நடத்தலாமா என விழா ஏற்பாட்டாளர்கள் கேட்க, 'சொன்னபடி நடத்தலாம் என்றுதான் தோன்றுகிறது. எனக்கு ஒன்றுமில்லை... சீக்கிரம் வந்துடறேன்,' என்றே இளையராஜா பதிலளித்துள்ளார்..."
thanks,
Krishnan
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http://cinema.dinakaran.com/cine-new...id=12074&id1=3
இளையராஜா மலேசிய பத்திரிக்கையாளர்களிடம் நேற்று செல்போன் மூலம் தொடர்பு கொண்டு என்னுடைய இசை நிகழ்ச்சி மலேசியாவில் திட்டமிட்டபடி வரும் 28-ம் தேதி நிச்சயமாக நடைபெறும் என பேட்டி அளித்துள்ளார். மேலும் மலேசிய ரசிகர்கள் யாரும் ஏமாற்றம் அடைய வேண்டாம் எனத் தெரிவித்துள்ளார். தீவிர சிகிச்சை பிரிவில் இருந்து சாதாரண வார்டுக்கு இன்று இளையராஜா மாற்றப்பட்டார். நாளை டிஸ்ஜார்ஜ் செய்யப்படலாம் எனத் தகவல்கள் தெரிவிக்கின்றனர். -
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Raja sir is "is likely to be discharged tomorrow". However, it will be great if the organizers could postpone the concert. The fans will be disappointed but they will understand that Raja sir's health is more important. It is still a heart attack, even though it is a mild attack. So, he should get more rest.
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/t...le/101463.html
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I share the same thought as Thozhar in this. Even though IR is keen to perform, I wish the organizers postpone the show in the larger interest of Raja's complete recovery after a good amount of rest.
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GOD be with Him as always.
Organizers and Raja's Sons should make him take sufficient rest.
