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Originally Posted by vijayr
BTW I saw Nizhalgal yesterday and in once scene BGM sounded more like the BGM from MX crane scene. Also I found few Jazz in Nizhalgal. A very nice album. I would love if someone can start a seperate thread for Nizhalgal and discuss the creativity in it.
Re: Shankar. This guy's movies are a bunch of music videos stitched together with inane dialogues and wafer thin storylines. I just couldn't watch Jeans even for a few minutes (inspite of that good looking actress :-)). This guy is surely talented, because he picturize the songs well and even can write some funny lyrics (like pEttai rap, which I like :-)). I think he gets a lots of support from ARR. As soon as he mentions 'modern' ARR will be happy like a kid in a candy store and come up with those trendy songs.
I suspect, as a director, he will not get enough respect from IR. IR can do suspense, thriller, comedy, folk, classical etc. I dont think just 'flash and glamor' is his cup of tea. So IR-Shankar combination is not something that is going to work.
I also disagree, that IR should not do village songs anymore. Mudhal Mariyadhai, had very simple orchestration with a bass guitar and it was wonderful. Similarly music for all bhArathirAja movies (mostly village-based) were very good. Even virumandi, had a rustic feel and the music was good. In a village song 50% is the lyrics (because you cannot do much orchestration) and here vairamuthu did a very good job in the past with IR. Now, the current lyricists for IR are not cutting it.
And I dont understand why some of you guys dont like chEran, thangar bachan et, al. We need directors like this too. We dont want to alienate much of our population in B, C centres with half-clad pale-skinned women, speaking lip-synched tamil. Maybe, you guys are all too trendy types , either I am old-fashioned or must be getting old :-)
Kiru says, " I also disagree, that IR should not do village songs anymore. Mudhal Mariyadhai, had very simple orchestration with a bass guitar and it was wonderful. Similarly music for all bhArathirAja movies (mostly village-based) were very good. Even virumandi, had a rustic feel and the music was good"
Kiru, I agree with you!! Think of Mudhal Mariyaadhai, Mann vasanai, etc.. with out our Ilayaraaja! yennaley imagine pannamudiyalai!!
Sucks big time....as stated earlier by somebody....this is defy IRs response for TBs immature acts....
Instead of giving a crap like this, IR could have said a big NO to TB....
Even HCIRFs will stay away from COA....also, certain songs imagining TB dancing to these tunes...will give nightmares to even the most STRONG-WILLED persons.
Lets hope KASTHOORI MAAN turns out to be another KAASI type album with lot of melodies.
Rags
Cheran and Thankar Bachan might be good directors(Cheran is better than Thankar IMO). No one is talking about their films. We are talking about the music in their films. Solla marandha kadhai had average music. It was no Mudhal mariyaadhai. Same with Kaasi. If IR is going to work on village movies he needs to work with BR or another budding BR. Because these guys(Cheran, Thankar, others) arent extracting good music out of him. And village movies in general, ofer less scope for orchestration.And lyrics is of course another sore point now with the current crop of lyricists.. COA is just another instance, along with the earlier karagaatakaari. Other wise I am not saying that Cheran or Thankar shouldnt make movies at all. I liked Autograph and thought IR would have done a much better job atleast in the BGM dept. as compared to Bharadwaj.
And secondly there is nothing wrong in scoring for trendy movies. IR was at his creative best in movies like Tik Tik Tik, Agni Natchathiram, Johny etc.which were all trendy for their times. IR would be happy seeing his songs being given justice in terms of picturization by Shankar. Usually that isnt the case. The small problem is that he(or his style) might be a little too old to match the trendiness levels expected by Shankar.But who knows..one might see IR re-inventing himself like he did for Manirathnam in the late 80s. Shankar will certainly get a lot of respect from IR because of who he is, the effort/dedication he puts into details, his discipline and the big budget that is involved.
At the very least he will get a lot more respect than the guys who made movies like Manasellam, en mana vaanil, Konji pesalam etc. :-)
Prabhudas, since we are talking about Shankar and not Mani Ratnam kind of director. MMD is not an exaggerated director at all. He knows what u call "Packaging" an entertainment with all ingredients. He also made movies like Chacha Bhatija which did not have many stars and it was perfect packaging I should say. So MMD is no way inferior to Shankar way of movie making. Actually I should say MMD was father for Grandeur movies which Shankar is currently famous for.
I dont know what IR would do for Shankar since he has been really unsuccessful with huge projects. Take his Hey Ram, it had good BGM but the songs are not commercial sucess and in Hindi it was super duper flop, Mumbai Xpress which was big time flop songs in both Hindi/Tamil, Virumandi had average songs and not that super hit which I think essential for Shankar-SS movie. So IR is not fit for big bugdet movies at this point of his career. well he can fit into composing BGM like he did in Lajja but not composing songs for a Shankar type of movies.
VikramQuote:
Originally Posted by kiru
Agni Natchathram
Anjali
Idhayathai Thirudathe
Kalaignan
Meera
Mumbai Xpress
Priya
Punnagai Mannan
Pudhu Pudhu Arthangal
Sakalakala Vallavan
Singaravelan
thalapathi
Tic Tic Tic
I didnt include Jhonny and Nizhalgal because its beyond what TFM can take.
If Shankar opted ARR for his first movie, there is no way he can opt IR for any future movies. It would be only Rajni factor if this combo happens.
What happened to Pratap Pothen?
He did a couple of movies as director with IR and one that I could remember is vetRi vizha which had trendy, contemporary, awesome songs...
I always had a doubt that he played some role in selecting the musical score for some (if not all) of the movies where he acted too...the songs by IR were quite trendy / different from his scores of the time period applicable & classy (nenjathaikkiLLAdhE, moodupani, eeravizhikkAviyangaL, panneer pushpangaL etc.)
I wish he directs a film with IR as MD...I'm yet to see any racy number (with terrific orchesration) to beat `mArugO, mArugO' or `thaththOm thadAngu thaththOm'...
I also have a feeling that Prathap can play guitar...it looks so natural when you see him play guitar in movies (he did it often)...It could be one reason why the songs in those films he was associated with IR had terrific guitar work...
Athma was another movie by Prathap I think, probably his last with IR. It had good songs.