IR New Albums - Old responses (5 Aug 2006)

IR can do good music for flash and glamour movies. It all depends on who is involved and who he is working with. If it is Kamal, IR will give his best even if it is a soft porn flick :-) The theme doesnt matter, the director/actor/banner or a combo of these three matters.

alias, IR hasnt worked in a genuine big-budget commercial movie in the last few years. Thats one of the reasons why I wanted to see IR-Shankar combo. You cannot write him off for big-budget movies. Mumbai Express was'nt one. It was made on a medium budget and Kamal messed up the audio release.IR's songs for Kamal have been highly situational in the last few years anyways, starting from Hey Ram. Same is the case with Rahman and Mani. Kannaththil muthamittal's audio wasnt a big hit.And the songs were placed in the background mostly.

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Originally Posted by alias

he has been really unsuccessful with huge projects. Take his Hey Ram, it had good BGM but the songs are not commercial sucess and in Hindi it was super duper flop, Mumbai Xpress which was big time flop songs in both Hindi/Tamil, Virumandi had average songs and not that super hit which I think essential for Shankar-SS movie. So IR is not fit for big bugdet movies at this point of his career. well he can fit into composing BGM like he did in Lajja but not composing songs for a Shankar type of movies.

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excuse me boss.......hey ram songs are very good ......that too composed in a hurry ..they are all situational songs....and gelled well with movie.....everytime raaja is doing his job well...its kamal who is unable to use the music correctly ....be it hey ram /virumaandi/MX.....all got superb music but kamal spoiled it ....now a days he is unable to use it correctly thereby making movie and also music a big flop due to his wrong decisions....
IF A SHOW PIECE IS PUT IN WRONG CORNER OF ROOM , IT SPOILS THE BEAUTY OF ROOM AS WELL AS OF ITSELF...WHY DO U BLAME THE SHOWPIECE....BLAME THE PERSON WHO HAS DINT USE IT CORRECTLY..........

Look at hey ram and virumaandi....so big and stress ful climax...for audience its too heavy ...if second half is good then even if first half is bad , ppl will forget it and make the movie hit.....and the other way though first half is oscar award winning level and second half and climax bad,THEN thats all movie is gone for good.........

and talking abt MX ....again the main song though so nice kamal put vulgarity in its picturisation and censors cut it.....gone ...remaining songs are used as bits bits ..as if for the name sake....and the whole movie is so slow , how can he expect ppl in theatres to like it ....so songs too wasted.......maybe at home in CD it wud be nice.....

take virumandi...kamal literally killed the songs except for onnai vida.........

Imagine if AR Rahman scored for VIRUMANDI , MX AND HEY RAM....Even then the movies wud be flop

from ANNAKILI to ADHU ORU KANAA KAALAM ...raaja always is doing his job well...its the ppl using his music are fluctuating and spoiling his music's reach to public.......

But i agree to u r point that for SHANKAR , IR wont suite...his TYPE and IR TYPE are different...maybe SHANKAR should change his TYPE like kadhir for IDHAYAM...and let raaja dominate...then it wud be ok ...but that wont happen.......

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Take his Hey Ram, it had good BGM but the songs are not commercial sucess and in Hindi it was super duper flop
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Read this before you make any comment on Hey Ram...I'm not saying the reviewer (Subhash k Jha) is 'the' authority in musical reviews...Have never read such a review like this from him, for a long time now.

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This is not music. It is history. It is a showcase of what true genius can achieve when it sets its heart on a goal. When violin maestro L Subramaniam walked out of Hey Ram, director Kamal Haasan invited his old friend Ilayaraja to compose songs that had already been filmed. In other words, the maverick musician had to create new tunes that occupied exactly the same space and playing time as the scrapped songs!

The way Hey Ram got ignored was extremely tragic. It speaks a lot about the ignorance that is fashionable among a section of self-styled critics in Mumbai that Ilayaraja’s brilliantly atmospheric music score, capturing all the tensions, tumult, passion, fury and tragedy of those violent times when the country got splintered in two, was written off as “uninspired” and “dull”.

Let us state once and for all that it is impossible for any composer in Mumbai to achieve what Ilayaraja has done in Janmon ki jwala thi tan mein. Man, what a melody! And what heights Asha Bhosle achieves as she goes at Sameer’s uncharacteristically articulate poetry! Hariharan gives Asha ample support. But this is primarily her song. And the composition is to die for. Note this Janmon ki jwala is one of the finest love ballads in the last five years. Ilayaraja hasn’t composed words, he has composed feelings in this unsurpassable and sweet ballad.
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He's talking about some "self-styled critics....written it off as uninspired and dull" :-)


and if commercial success is what you go by you shud've thrown out Bose and WOHE CDs long back...have you done that ? I still love those albums, despite being a FLOP written with a BIG F.

who knows about WOHE other than those in arr yahoo groups, and some serious music lovers (i bought it the day it was released, and i think its one of the better albums by arr)

Ilayaraja is like god....directors shud not force him to give what they want...they should just take what IR gives......... as prasadam ............

especially after Thiruvaasakam he is neither music director, nor music composer nor isaignani... ...he became god....music directors are ar rahman , haris jeyraj etc....composers are john williams , jerry goldsmith etc....and one and only one god ...ilayaraja .

stop these redicouous comparings man!!!! no human can be compared to god..he is greater than all humans.

stop these stupid comparings man!!!! no human can be compared to god..he is greater than all humans.

Oru Naal Oru Kanavu - Another Kadhaluku Mariyadhai ?
http://sify.com/movies/tamil/review....tid=5&cid=2429

Yes, please do not compare God with any human being. There may be many IR in past and future. So dont place him in God position for Godsake.

And coming to Hey Ram, yes I do agree that the Asha Bhonsle song was a sweet ballad and the review, but the album was commercially flop and Shankar cannot afford that. It could not make it Top 10 at all. Same thing happen with Nayak except Shakala Baby and Kuruku chiritavale other songs did not go well. This time keeping in mind the budget of the movie, I think Music is very essential for Shivaji for a good opening at least in North. And as I said I want Shankar to work with genius like IR but would like him to restrict just like what Raj Kumar Santoshi did, probably compose the theme songs and BGM, leave the rest to another MD.

And one thign everyone need to understand, if this movie was just made in Tamil and Telugu, I can think the audience would defintely accept IR music (if he comes up with a granduer music) but since this is also made in Hindi, the track of IR is very very poor in North.

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Originally Posted by alias

the track of IR is very very poor in North.

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Taste of North is wrong. Not the track.If someone can dispute Sadma / Hey Ram / MX then they are insane. Samething happening here. People prefer NOICE over Music.

njv. I meant track record buddy not track :-)