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This thread is an offshoot from 'veLLith thirai ilakkiyangaL'..
http://forumhub.lunarpages.com/hub/v...?p=63588#63588

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Roshan,
Let's go slow, okayaa? I'm still not finished with the first poem. ÀÊì¸ô ÀÊì¸ Ò¾¢Â «÷ò¾í¸û ¦¾Ã¢ÔÐ. (¼ÂÄ¡ì ÀƧº¡?)

1. I would like to hear everyone's favorite subverses. Mine (currently) are:

§ÀÆó¾ §Å¨Ç¢§Ä
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Åʸ¢ýÈ Ã¡ò¾¢Ã¢Â¢ø
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2. Most hated: ¿£Ã¡¸ Á¡È¢ ¯ó¾ý... :?

3. ¦¸¡ÖÍìÌû Á½¢Â¡ - is reused in Mudhalvan ('kurukku')

4.
// «í¸ò¾¢ø «ò¨Å¾õ
// «¨¼Â¡Áø §À¡§Å§É¡?
þРŢÇí¸Ä¢§Â!

Wish I could join in - I like Vairamuthu's writings but can't read this fonts!! :cry: :cry:

NM, Don't have Murasu? Just install Murasu from http://www.murasu.com/downloads/ . Then you can read the fonts.

Gee.....thanks, RR. Appreciate it! Have a great weekend! :D

RR,

My favourites are ...

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Roshan,
±í§¸ ¡¨ÃÔõ ¸¡§½¡§Á ±ýÚ §Â¡º¢òÐì ¦¸¡ñÊÕó§¾ý..

¯í¸û ãýÈ¡ÅÐ §¾÷× ±ÉìÌõ Á¢¸×õ À¢ÊòÐûÇÐ..

«ôÒÈõ.. «ó¾ «ò¨Å¾õ Åâ¸ÙìÌ «÷ò¾õ...?!

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Originally Posted by RR

Roshan,


¯í¸û ãýÈ¡ÅÐ §¾÷× ±ÉìÌõ Á¢¸×õ À¢ÊòÐûÇÐ..

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Yeah! That's cute!! :)

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«ôÒÈõ.. «ó¾ «ò¨Å¾õ Åâ¸ÙìÌ «÷ò¾õ...?!

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±ó¾ì ¸Å¢¨¾Â¡É¡Öõ «¨¾ º¢Èó¾ ӨȢø ¦Á¡Æ¢¦ÀÂ÷ì¸ì ÜÊ ºÃ¢Â¡É, ¾ýÉ¢¸ÃüÈ ¿À÷.. geno ¾¡ý. «Ð×õ ¨ÅÃÓòÐ ¸Å¢¨¾¦ÂýÈ¡ø ¦º¡øħŠ§Åñ¼¡õ. «Å¨Ã§Â À¢ÊòÐ즸¡ûÙí¸û ! :)

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Originally Posted by RR

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«ôÒÈõ.. «ó¾ «ò¨Å¾õ Åâ¸ÙìÌ «÷ò¾õ...?!

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RR,

KAvidhaikal ... vilakuvathi suvai illai... padithu... nam unarvukalin vazhikaattuthalil naam yenna unargiromoa... athu thaan andha kavidhayin (vilak)kam... oli.. vazikaattuthal.. yenbathu .. yen karuthu...

sorry if this is... aththu meeral... Sorry Once more...

Adhvaitham means - the Absolute reality and

also can defined as Brahmam - 'what is' and 'is what'

barani,
I see what you mean. But indha forum-il, pala vitha interpretations-ai pagirnthu kollalaam allavaa? Athu oru kavithaiyai paNmadangu rasikka udhavum allavaa?
Anyway I was only asking for the meaning of athvaitham in this context. On the web, I read that 'athvaitham' is monism and 'thvaitham' is duality.. Yedho purivadhu pol ulladhu ippodhu.. Anyway, geno vanthaal innum theLivu pirakkum endru ninaikkiren.. Geno, seekkiram vaarum..

RR,

ya thats correct... i do agree... i am too waiting for Geno's arrival..

Angaththil Aththuvaitham-

Thalaiviyin polivudaiya angangaLaith thazhuvich chuvaiththu, avaLudan 'uRavu' koLLuvadhan moolam 'Seevaaththumaavum, Paramaththumaavum onRE' ennum paravasamaana Aththuvaitha nilaiyai thaan adaindhu viduvathaaga (illaiyaa pinne?) thalaivan kuRippidugiRaan - enRu poruL koLga.

KaNaatha kOlam nee kaaNum nEram
Jee vaatma enbadhu
Para maatma allavaa ?

AaNOdu peNmai
AaRaagum pOthu
PErinbam vENdumaa ? [pErinbam - NirvaNa ennum mukti nilai]
vERinbam vENduma ?

ThuLLuvathO iLamai
ThEduvathO thanimai
ALLuvathE thiRamai
'Advaitam' arumai !

(sixth song)
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/26/s/movie_name.4599/

I am visiting FH after several months and it has changed completely - need to login to post! Among a lot of new members, Thamizh kooRum nallidhayangL Akilan matRum Kaja Perumaan (Kajan) kaaNavillai :cry: :cry: I will come back after a few months when I am not busy.

Thanks temporary sori-Observer (enna peyar idhu?! ).

RR,

He is one of our 'good old' frineds Tamil Naattaan (TN). :)

Roshan,

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Originally Posted by Roshan

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i just love these lines... :)

RR,

just sent u a pm...pls check...

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Hi malligai,

How are you? :)

Kavithai urukkam !! aanaal ithu vairamuthu kavithaiyaa enbathu enakku theriyavillai. Please clarify coz, we intend having discussions only on Vairamuththu kavithaigaL here.

:)

I am fine Roshan, hpw about u?? :)
its been a loooooong time... :D

and this is definetely Vairamuthu... from his '¦¸¡ÊÁÃò¾¢ý §Å÷¸û' ¦¾¡ÌôÀ¢Ä¢ÕóÐ...

malligai,
Good touchy one.

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Áɨº ºü§È ¯ÖìÌõ Åâ¸û...

malligai,

I'm fine too. Thanks for the kavithai ! ¿¡ý þ¾üÌ Óý þó¾ì ¸Å¢¨¾¨Âô ÀÊò¾¾¢ø¨Ä. Áɨ¾ Á¢¸×õ À¡¾¢òРŢð¼Ð !!

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º¡ð¨¼ÂÊ!

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«Å¨Çî §º÷òÐ
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¯½÷¸§ÇÂüÈ «Åû ¿¢¨Ä¨Â ±ò¾¨É ÐøÄ¢Á¡¸ ¦º¡ø¸¢È¡÷ ¸Å¢»÷! :cry:

¿ýÈ¢ ÁøÄ¢¨¸ þó¾ì ¸Å¢¨¾¨Â þíÌ ¯ûÇ¢ð¼¾üÌ !

RR,

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Roshan, I have not forgotten.. Coming to it next..

Ennadaadhu ! POna kavithaiyile thalaiviyin angangaLil aththuvaidhaththai paaththaanga. Indha kavithaiyile avaL angangaLai akku vERu aaNi vERaa aakkip puttaanga :evil: !

Andha nimidangaLil ellaam
AvaL-
suvaril ERum pallikku mattumE
parama rasikai

[suvatRil palli ooRuvathu pOl, vaadagai thalaivi meedhu vaadikkai thalaivan ooRi koNdirukkiRaan. Anaal andha vaadikkai palliyai avaL rasippadhillai. SuvatRu palliyai mattumE rasikkiRaaL]

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SurEdan (suresh), SurEttan (suressh) aagi vittaargaL ! Peyarai En maatRi vittaargaL?
Sari, Vairaa kavithai ethaavadhu post paNNunga.

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story behind your user id - ³ ¦º¡ýÉÅ÷ ²ý þó¾ò ¾¢Ã¢¨Âô ÀüÈ¢ ¦º¡øÄÅ¢ø¨Ä....? :twisted:

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suresh,

"Author" ±ýÚ ±ý ¦ÀÂ÷ þÕó¾¡Öõ þó¾ò ¾¢Ã¢Â¢ý ¯ñ¨ÁÂ¡É author ¿¡É¢ø¨Ä. Ó¾ø Àì¸ò¾¢§Ä§Â RR ¦º¡øĢ¢Õ츢ȡ÷. À¡÷ì¸Å¢ø¨Ä¡? 'this thread is an off-shoot of veLLiththirai ilakkiyangaL" ±ýÚ.

¦ÅûÇ¢ò¾¢¨Ã þÄ츢Âí¸û ¾¢Ã¢Â¢ø geno ÁüÚõ RR ¾¢¨ÃôÀ¡¼Ä¡É ¨ÅÃÓòÐ ¸Å¢¨¾¸û ÀüÈ¢ «ÄÍõ§À¡Ð RR-ìÌ §¾¡ýȢ ³Ê¡¾¡ý þó¾ò ¾¢Ã¢. ±ýÛ¨¼Â ¦ÀÂâø RR ¾¡ý ¬ÃõÀ¢òÐ ¨Åò¾¡÷.

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Originally Posted by RR

On the web, I read that 'athvaitham' is monism and 'thvaitham' is duality.. Yedho purivadhu pol ulladhu ippodhu..

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RR,

"athavaitham-ku" English meaning "monism" enbathu sariyE ! athai konjam virivu paduthinaal " doctrine of non duality" enRu poruL padum.

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must continue this thread... :)