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What is ur view on new reservation system.
Is it not getting on to nerves?
I would say entirely reservation based on caste is to be removed. wHAT EVER H APPENED TO merit and ppl who deserve get what they want.
If india is gonna show attitudes like these even in professional institutions, WHERE WOULD we eradicate caste system?
What exactly is happening in the name of caste eradication and in the name of IMPROVING india?
Very soon most merit scholars would find their way out of india.
Certainly, Iam not in support of Reservation. But, following are my thoughts related to it.
I feel that children who are brought up submissively and in a suppressed manner, after grown up does not have the courage to face the life. They tend to be shy in the society, maintain a very low profile, does not show up their talents like that. This is applicable to both upper and lower caste community. Unfortunately, this is more prevalent with lower sect, thanks to our very old caste system. This is definitely going to change soon, as presently, all children are being brought up in a same manner.
If the children are brought up with courage, fearless attitude, I think Reservations are unnecessary. Instead, the government should take care of the weaker sections in other aspects like providing them the security, Money, Scholarships and encouragement etc.
In any educational system / class, there are going to be different rank holders and whatever we provide them, we cannot make a last rank holder to a first rank holder. Then, why reservations??
At the same time we should understand that the last rank holder also has a right to live and should be given a chance to prove his skills in other areas, for which the government should do something. The last rank holders should not be treated like losers in the society, as they are born like that & its not their mistake for their non-performance.
I am in support for reservation system that takes into consideration financial possition.
Hi all.......
Are you aware of the latest proposal of HR Dept (Govt of
India).........they are planning to increase the quota of reserved
seats
by 27%......which will make the reserved seats to 49.x%........leaving
barely 50% seats to be filled on the basis of merit.
Are you ready to face the fact that - Our half of our nation will be
nurtured not on the basis of merit but some other considerations.
If you want to raise your voice against it, then please sign an online
petition here: http://www.petitiononline.com/No_Quota/petition.html
Sandeep,
U spoke my mind
that idea has been there............... for more than 10 years now :thumbsup:
Why no posts at all?
There were 4 votes in support of reservation.
WHY DONT U ALL COME OUT IN OPEN AND TELL, why we need reservation?
We are still far from being able to do without reservation.I support the reservation policy as well as the size of reservation. The caste basis is not without logic. Financial considerations can be additional. But, there needs to be a change in the modalities so that the proper target group is benefited.
For instance, if a candidate makes use of reserved seats to secure admission, thenceforth he and his descendents should be ineligible for reservation. This will help the right people garner the benefits of reservation.
Reservation policies have not reached fully to the proper, really needy people in the last 59 years. This itself shows that there is something wrong with policies. First of all, good basic education itself remain unachievable fruit for most of the supressed and tribal people. Only the creamy layer of so-called suppressed people utilize the whole benift of reservation policies.
If our Governments can ensure the following, then reservation policy can be removed just after 10 years.
1. Same Education pattern throughout India.
2. All the schools in India shall be of same standards in quality of teachers and facilities.
3. Good quality of Boarding and adequate health care for all kids from poor families.
Reservation policy is just like a stick for a person with broken leg. Unfortunately the stick is used by even healthy people (reservation in post graduation, promotions etc ) for different purpose. We have to provide the stick to the really sufferring people till they walk on their own. Reservation policies for other segment (so called backwards and those who proud about their caste and those who practice untouchabilty) is really a waste and only divide the society and maintain the dangerous caste system.
firstly I am not indian citizen but other countries also practice "indirect" reservation.
for example currently in the UK .. due to new countries joining the so called EU, south asian doctors are put behind in the list to encourage european docs to enter the national health service... this is not equal oppurtunity in the uk!
coming back to the point , i feel that it is not fair to give oppurtunities based on merit/reservations..
The existing reservation system is plainly vote bank politics.
The caste system is a complex matrix and the government has to develop a reservation system that maps to this matrix.
We already have a system functioning well in our Parliament. The number of seats allocated to each state is based on its size, which is fair.
What we need is a system that takes into consideration the population dynamics of a state. This should be overlapped by other rules such as, suggested by Prabhu Ram and economics.
A strong phasing out of the reservation system based on an achievable calendar is a must.
All this should be backed up by a strong education system at the primary level, continuing right upwards.
Last but not least we need a strong visionary leader to implement this.
I think we Indians can only dream about such things with caste/religious politics ruling the day.
India had never seen a more sincere; passionate, indefatigable socially conscious person than, (perhaps with the exception of Buddha and Vivekananda) Dr Bhim Rao Ambedkar. His life was a total dedication to getting social and economic justice and equality to whom he called the depressed classes, the same whom Gandhiji called Harijans and whom the Constitution describes as Scheduled Castes (SCs) and Scheduled Tribes (STs). Dr B.R.Ambedkar held that education, self-help and self-respect were the prime instruments of their uplift with organs of state and laws facilitating the use of all these instruments. He even opined that since Sanskrit gave respectability and honor in the Hindu society, it should be learnt by the depressed classes and be made the official language. Neither of these propositions had a chance of acceptance as Jawaharlal Nehru was too fascinated with English and because of personal ambitions, he could not afford to oppose Hindi as the official language.
Dr B.R. Ambedkar, the intellectual light and hope of the depressed classes, wrote into the Constitution of India, reservations in government jobs, for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes only for a period of 10 years i.e., until 1960. In his opinion, reservations could not be the food but only a medicine for overcoming the illness that Hindu society caused among sections of its own people. The deprivation to some other Hindus, occasioned by reservations for the less ‘meritorious’ is prayashchita (atonement) for the wrongs caused in the past. It is justified ethically, morally and rationally.
The 10-year-period has been getting repeatedly and easily extended in Parliament. Interestingly and intriguingly, those who have been privately opposed to this indefinite extension have resorted to advocacy of another cause— backwardness. Caste after caste among Hindus is asserting that it is backward, more backward, most backward and so utterly backward that its people should be included in the Scheduled Tribe category. In Andhra Pradesh the JS Putta Swamy Commission was surprised that out of 284 castes in the State, 282 including Brahmins represented that they should be classified as backward. (The Brahmins said that all the talented and forward among them had gone to America; only the backwards among them are left in India and so their demand for classification of Brahmins as backward is valid!) The Kaka Kalekar Commission (on backwards) identified over 3500 castes among Hindus in the 1950s; by the time of Mandal Commission in the 1970s, these castes increased to over 4500! That is, protagonists of reservations for backwards accentuated the difference in the professions to claim, separate caste to that profession to get it classified as more, most and utterly backward. There is, as it were, a race among our people to claim the prize for utter backwardness in the hope of getting separate reservation for the winner. The struggle for classification (Maala, Maadiga) of the SCs in Andhra Pradesh illustrates this race for backwardness. Not on the basis of caste, but on the basis of religion, Muslims are demanding to be classed as backward (Muslims who ruled India for seven centuries and in Telangana till 1948)! Now Christians are agitating to be included in the Scheduled Caste category! It appears that those who can’t get included in the backward, SC and ST category will have to quit India, and go to foreign shores.
With liberalisation and globalisation of not only markets for goods but for services and eventually even labour, employment in government is stagnant or shrinking; state-owned enterprises will dwindle or be decimated due to competition. Reservations for government jobs will therefore benefit the backwards, SCs and STs to a declining degree. Hence they are demanding that reservations be extended to private sector enterprises also. Private sector will include Indian-owned and foreign-owned companies and both will be subjected to global competition. How could private sector companies, their share-holders, people of Indian and foreign origin, accept less meritorious candidates and yet compete with global companies? What obligation do Microsoft, Ford, Lucky Gold Star have towards India to accept reservations for employment? They don’t have any. All private sector companies can, however, be expected to be good corporate citizens and hence contribute to the building up of capacity, talent and competitiveness among all citizens trying sincerely to acquire them. And the creator of all these attributes is education.
Not on the basis of caste, but on the basis of religion, Muslims are demanding to be classed as backward (Muslims who ruled India for seven centuries and in Telangana till 1948)! Now Christians are agitating to be included in the Scheduled Caste category!
But it is eduction that all the parties, leaders and governments have been neglecting for all the years since Independence in 1947. China, Malaysia, Indonesia, Korea, Thailand, Sri Lanka and Taiwan—all the countries that gained freedom after India have higher literacy rate; Korea has higher university enrollment (per 1000 young in the age-group of 17 to 22 years); China is outstripping India. University education, especially in professions like engineering, management, medicine, helps us to create knowledge, technologies and businesses which in turn give this country a competitive edge and create employment for the educated and the skilled.
Our governments are frighteningly indebted; their budgets are deficit-ridden; they are not able to meet their ruling parties’ commitments to the voting multitudes—free electricity, inexpensive cooking gas, houses, house-sites, revised higher pay to government employees, sewing machines and kit for minorities, bicycles for girl students, Urdu ghars, more welfare hostels, subsidised fertilizers, healthcare, etc. If non-governmental agencies can establish and manage hospitals, libraries, creches, hostels, tutorial colleges, madrasas, seminaries, etc, why cann't they run professional colleges? And if there are no reservations for admissions and appointments to the former, why so in professional colleges?
When the issue of social justice is raised, it is both emotional and rational. The question is who should pay for professional education? Obviously, the beneficiaries have to pay. If the society has to pay by way of taxes, then the beneficiaries must be bound to benefit the society; return to society what it financed by way of service or pay back from their earnings. If those who seek cannot pay for their education, government may create a Professional Education Loan Fund from which low-interest (or nil interest) and long-tenure loans may be given on the condition that whosoever employs or gives loan to such a beneficiary will be liable to ensure the recovery of the loan. Another method can be like the Universal Service Fund to extend telecoms to rural subscribers. All telephone companies are contributing five per cent of the money collected from their subscribers into this fund. The educated employees pay professional tax. The professional tax every employee pays may be put in the Professional Education Loans Fund. Companies may be encouraged to contribute to this Fund by making such contributions tax-exempt.
All seats in government funded professional colleges and universities may be 100 percent reserved for Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tribes and backward castes (Muslims and Christians also if they are to be specially cared for their votes and their global affiliates). Every caste among Hindus may also be declared a minority (In fact Muslims outnumber Hindus of every caste; very soon Christians will also out number every Hindu caste, while Hindus don’t en block, almost all Muslims and now-a-days, Christians also vote en block (under fatwa or mullah, maulana, hafiz, imam’s guidance and the Church respectively) and most among the Hindu castes may be declared backward, (as self-apprised) and allowed the privilege under Articles 29 and 30 of the Constitution to found and manage educational institutions of their choice. Today minorities that are Muslims and Christians are starting professional colleges without limit. With seat capacities in excess of the candidates qualifying for entrance and even unrelated to the literacy among them and their proportion to the total population, they are selling the excess seats to Hindus, making the latter pay for the prosperity of the minorities and for the propagation of their religion. This is unjust and a terrible infliction on Hindus; a kind of jazia.
Education is recognised as a tradable service under the WTO agreements. Foreign universities would be setting up colleges in our country. Would we require them to give reservations in the colleges they establish? And would that be upheld by the WTO bodies.
Those who have been privately opposed to this indefinite extension have resorted to advocacy of another cause—backwardness. Caste after caste among Hindus is asserting that it is backward, more backward, most backward and so utterly backward that its people should be included in the Scheduled Tribe category.
The doing away of separate electorates for Muslims (the most powerful cause for creation of Pakistan and communalisation of Muslims) and the directive principle of common civil code for all citizens in our Constitution were to bind our people into one nation but reservations based upon religion and caste (except in the case of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes) are divisive and disintegrative in the long run. Even for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes, a scheme should be devised so that the benefit of reservation s is inherited by generation after generation creating a new caste of government Brahmins; the grand-children and their next generations of children of parents who once benefited by reservations must be taken off the list, so that the vast majority of Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tribes and backward castes who have not yet benefited from reservations (due to lack of education) get a chance to move up the economic and cultural scale.
Finally, the morality or double standards of the politicians are quite evident. How many of these leaders are sending their children to government schools or to mother tongue medium schools? How many persons belonging to the Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tribes and backward castes are made president of parties, members of their executives and polituro and chief ministers?
Reservation based on caste can be removed. But people in villages were literacy rate is very low and also suffer due to caste distinction can be given some previleges in the form of reservation. I am talking about villages where there are no schools, no hospitals, and almost no people are educated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shakthiprabha
iam totally against it! we hope to get rid of caste system and then we encourage reservation................no way. those who deserve it, should get it, no matter caste and religion!
I am not an Indian but from what I have gathered so far through some reading and discussions with the Indians I have met ( my work is related to working with Indians mostly) - I would say - for hundreds of years those who deserve had not got their rights because they were deprived of getting it in the name of caste. This eventuallyl resulted in Reservation System. First try to eliminate caste and then think of eliminating the reservation system.Quote:
Originally Posted by crazy
I suggest - better start a poll questioning whether India should have caste system or not.
iam not indian either, but when i took my matric.exam there, they asked me for caste certificate, i refused and my head master said as u wish! i he even called me arrogant, but the truth was i dont want to get a reservation b'coz of my caste and i didnt want to promote caste system via reservation policies and i knew that iam not going to continue my studies in inida!Quote:
Originally Posted by Roshan
i know that reservation system helps a bit, but when it comes to whole iam totally against it!
and ROSHAN caste system is already illegal in india, govt cant help in such things, every individual has to think! has to act! has to help/contribute banning caste system!
I am not aware that caste system is illegal in India - and I would like if you or any one else can prove it with some reference. If caste system is illegal then how come there is caste based parties and politics happening? :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by crazy
And as regards individuals' thinking - that's what I precisely say - the thinking of each individual should change first. Until it changes there is no point discussing about having a reservation system or not. At this moment if reservation system is eliminated I feel India will get some 500 years back - as we would definitely see a repetition of the history.
I really miss people like geno, suresh and Madurai Veeran who can talk extensively on this issue.
Jeez! Talk about Contradiction!Quote:
Originally Posted by Roshan
Yes! Eliminate the Caste System in India by giving College Seats and Jobs based on Caste...:clap: Excellent Idea! :clap: :roll:
Here is another Great Idea Roshan, why don't we end unemployment by rejecting all investments that Foreign Companies have made in India?? :lol2:
Hi Surya !!! How are you doing???Quote:
Originally Posted by Surya
Just want to let you know that as a "Principle" - I dont want to discuss such matters with you. No offense meant any way :wink:
I voted "YES" .
Here goes my reason.
1. Like any good scheme, this one was implemented in the wrong way and in the wrong spirit.
2. There must be pre and post conditions to reservation.
eg., only one person in the family must be extended the preivilege of reservation. Once that person has enjoyed the benefits, he must pass on the benefits to his family (dependants).
3. Reservation only for education and education as someone else remarked earlier must be uniform , high standard and uplifting. Education must not make students book worms and paper tigers. There must be a "value system" proposition also in education.
4. People doing traditional occupation must be ecouraged to pass on the knowledge to as many people and Government must subsidise this knowledge sharing as there is a high risk of these skills vanishing because of availability of high wage earning modern education to everyone.
Yea this is an UTMOST necessity (altho the edu. institutions continue to overlook it! :() in education for everyone, not jus the reserved classes.....Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
& :thumbsup: to ur other points too JG! :D
None taken. Although I am a vivid reader of ur posts, I'd like to see some strong points of yours which actually MAKE SENSE in the PRACTICAL WORLD (for once) on this issue. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Roshan
:D :clap: Good points! :D Espicially number 4! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by JG
jaiganes: That was introduced in 1954 in Madras state by Rajaji and met with very strong opposition and statewide agitation. Rajaji had to resign because of that. The scheme was for the children to attend school half a day and practice/learn the trades of their parents for half a day.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
Happenned to get this mail ;-) On the lighter side !
ET has opened a debate on “Is it right to go against job quotas ?"
As expected most of the posts agree
here is someone who put his pt in a v diff way.. :))
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I think we should have job reservations in all the fields. I completely support the PM and all the politicians for promoting this. Let's start the reservation with our cricket team. We should have 10 percent reservation for muslims. 30 percent for OBC, SC/ST like that. Cricket rules should be modified accordingly. The boundary circle should be reduced for an SC/ST player. The four hit by an OBC player should be considered as a six and a six hit by a OBC player should be counted as 8 runs. An OBC player scoring 60 runs should be declared as a century.
We should influence ICC and make rules so that the pace bowlers like Shoaib Akhtar should not bowl fast balls to our OBC player. Bowlers should bowl maximum speed of 80 kilometer per hour to an OBC player. Any delivery above this speed should be made illegal.
Also we should have reservation in Olympics. In the 100 meters race, an OBC player should be given a gold medal if he runs 80 meters.
There can be reservation in Government jobs also. Let's recruit SC/ST and OBC pilots for aircrafts which are carrying the ministers and
politicians (that can really help the country.. )
Ensure that only SC/ST and OBC doctors do the operations for the ministers and other politicians. (Another way of saving the country..)
Let's be creative and think of ways and means to guide INDIA forward...
Let's show the world that INDIA is a GREAT country. Let's be proud of being an INDIAN..
Well, although he is a bit blunt and harsh in his views Bingle...it's quite humourous. :lol2:
The Main Point Being....Reservation has been offered for 50 years, now it's time to give EQUAL OPPURTUNITIES to everyone, based on Merit.
My Opinion is that however, that Reservations should exist, but should be used as a tool to help the ECONOMICALLY lower portions of Indian Society, regardless of their caste, rather than just bringing another form of the Caste System into Modern India, :) and even worse, claiming that India is liberated from the Caste System while doing it. :lol:
Nice one BG. But unfortunately I have met a lot of people who sincerely believe it to be true missing the point about reservations completely :-(
That was the infamous "Kulak kalvi thittam". That failed because even if one wants to be a collector, he has to learn pot making if his father is a potter. What I am telling is that the potter, if he finds that there is nobody after him doing a traditional art or craft, shall be helped by the government to pass on the craft to someone else who is interested, not compulsorily to his son or daughter. I guess there is a subtle difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by rajraj
"paanai seyya padiththu paisaavai eNNappOkiRaayaa, computer kalvi padiththu paNaththil puraLap pOkiRaayaa?" enRu kEttaal enna bathil varum?
Subtlety?Huh!
PP madam!
The earlier Kulak kalvi thittam encouraged the Son/daughter to learn what his/her parents did, however what I am saying is the motive behind that was genuine, so keep it, just remove the forced learning angle
I'am for reservation based on Caste system, legitemate people who were supressed all these years should be given reservation. 50 years of caste reservation would not be a measure to remove reservation, take a census and find how many people are still backward educationally in this communitity and extend the reservation for them.
many people would second me when I tell reservation in education, but reservation in jobs many people will not accept it to me. There was this discussion in Karnataka, and one person asked Narayan Murthy Infosys chief, knowing the socio, political setup of our country and if you are not for reservation in your company for the socially deprived group, then what is the difference between you owing a company here/ Bill gates owning a company here. Which means to tell that apart from money making we also have some moral responsibility towards the society we live in, eradicating the social illness we have been facing and bring all the people on par.
I think for people who are not for reservation, for whom quality is the only thing, then why did we drove out English from India??? why can't we have England Parties as the political parties competing paralley with out Indian parties. I think the English party(s) will perfom well if people think Quality is what we need in governance. India had better governance under British than what we have today.
The rights which we got from British need to be passed on to the people who are socially and politically deprived for it is their right that we got from the British.
According to me India is going no where with Reservation. It will result in bright minds of India leaving India. Consider my case as an example, I am from a state where there is only 1 government Engineering college. To find a seat in that college i should be ranked among top 100s of my state. But consider the case of a person who has got this seat based on reservation with ranking much over 1000. That guy wont know the value of this college. Also if there had been no reservation i would have got the seat with just ranking among top 400s. But because of this government policies i had to work very hard to find a seat. I dont want the same to happen to my son. I dont want him to struggle the same way as i did. I would like to get out of this country and dont want my son to be the citizen of this country.
Then we discussing about reservation wont do any good for our contry. If reservations have to be removed then people like Chappani, who cast their votes based on caste and parties encouraging reservations have to stop. They have to understand that they cannot keep enjoying this stupid government policies not worrying about the poor people of their own caste who have been prevented from using this reservation system because of wellsettled people of the samecaste still not ready to give up.
I would like to point out one thing have there been any case where a person from a SC /ST caste who has got a collector job (or any equivalent job) just because of his birth has ever said that he no longer needs reservation and would allow his sons and daughters to compete in merit basis. No this has never happened because that is the mentality of the Indians all are selfish they wont even worry about the poor people from the same caste.
sreeramtcs,
you are mistaken, I personally don't enjoy the case reservation.
I air my views as an independent observer.
How many of us realize that the person ranked 1000, has come all this way after 1000s of years.Quote:
Originally Posted by sreeramtcs
Before 1000 yrs he was not even considered human enough to read books, let alone take exams. If we fail to appreciate those efforts and reward, then we will have a society where a small percentage is highly educated and the huge under developed percentage serves that small group.
Also we can't carry on this forever. A cut of point has to be set and we have to stop the reservation system when the target is achieved. The problem here is no one knows what the target is, even if by chance someone identifies the target then, working towards the target effectively is even harder..................
sreeramtcs ,
I am interested in knowing which state has only one govt engg college. I am disheartened to know that even after all this development and top notch companies head hunting our bright students, we have such a plight. :(
Ya I accept that these people have been kept down for years. But reservation is not the solution. Especially in professional education. Many people like me have joining in professional colleges as their life aim but how can they just be prevented because their great grand fathers ill-treated people from other caste. Why should v suffer because of their mistake.
Dsath I like the way you mentioned about target. The target can be found by making a survey of people who have been actually benefited from reservation for the first time. What we will find at the end of survey is only people who are already gained a lot out of reservation keep gaining more. Those are people who can afford high quality education and high class life style yet keep enjoying reservation. I will explain this with an example, my friend is SC by birth, his dad is customs officer a post which he got by reservation and now his dad earns in all ways. This friend of mine is never short of money, studied in a good school and finally was never denied anything in life because of his SC birth, still he couldn’t rank well in the state exam but found a seat in engineering college mainly because of his birth as SC. Now his son will also enjoy this comfort again. Does this what we want by reservation?
Coming to what Narayan Murthy of Infosys said about reservation, he can opt for reservation in his company if at he has ever denied a place for a person in his company just because he was a SC or ST by birth.
When we talk about reservation we only talk about people of SC or ST caste getting job or professional education quite easily. But there are bit more that government offers in the name of reservation. The year duration for an SC or ST to get promoted from one post to other is very less for an SC or ST. I will explain this with an example. My mom and another women (SC birth) joined government as a lower division clerk. Now my mom had only 3 promotions in her overall career of about 30 years. But the other women had about 10 promotions. The duration between each promotion for my mom is 10 years while for the other is 3 years. What a difference. Also there is no need for any qualification exam for SC/ST people to get promoted. Can anyone here explain the need for such relaxation in promotions?
JG, I understand your point and I am for it. Any way - what you have suggested has a clear and not a subtle difference from Rajaji's most infamous "kulakalvi thittam" - which I feel was initiated with the motive of suppressing the margninalised for ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
BTW, How are you doing?
hi Roshan! I am doing fine. I am expecting the day when my wife will give birth to our child.
Points made by Sreeramtcs are pretty hard as well. I can understand the genuine anger and frustration. Reservation in quality education in quality educational institution is a must in pre university period. i.e., if anyone has observed the status of govt owned schools run by poor quality teachers, I can say for sure that less than 5% of the out put of those schools will be of good quality. With a poor setup like that , if the government tries to push people into IIT, IIM and in competitive companies like Infy and IBM, get it from me, the result will be a disaster. The government instead of upgrading the educational quality at the lower level (where an individual's potential is shaped, where the societal bias is destroyed and where the talents are shaped), is trying to push the buck to private companies and IITs, and IIMs. This is wrong.
first -strengthen the quality of education - infrastructure wise and delivery wise(quality of teaching staff, their motivation levels by giving a good salary).
second - make sure that this education is available even in the remote corner of this vast country at the same quality.
third - Admit more downtrodden children into schools and punish anyone obstructing a child's education .
fourth - Provide scholarships for students from downtrodden society to improve their weak areas.
fifth - Change the grading system to one that is encouraging but not highly pressurizing at the lower levels and keep stiffer grading later to raise the bar - this is to reduce school drop outs.
sixth - After highschool - a talent exam to ascertain the good and weak areas of the student
seventh - Based on the talent map of each student - award subsidized education opportunities .
eighth - Take your hands off from the individual now as he/she is self confident and needs to body to support him/her.
seventh and eighth points are an inspiration from Issac Asimov's short stories.
Wow!!! That's something great to hear. All the best to you and your wife :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
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Originally Posted by jaiganes
jaiganes: You got it wrong about IBM. IBM was a pioneer in Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action programs initiating them in the early fifties when the south in the US had segregation policy. Here is a link for you. Read the section on employment data. It was no disaster for IBM.
http://www-306.ibm.com/employment/us...se/50/tc.shtml
Read the section on employment data to see how far the minorities have progressed in IBM. In fact, any manager violating the policy would severely punished with removal from management and even summary dismissal.
I wonder why those hubbers who live in the US don't say anything about what corporations here do ! :)
rajraj!
i work in IBM. I meant it in the Indian context. It is not as simple as in USA where you had only one oppressed section of people.
Jaiganes, i accept ur point, education in rural sectors have to be improved. And it can be done only by providing very high motivation.
My own sister was recruited in government as a teacher for class 6 to 10th. There is a rule in government every new joinee should do at least 3 years of rural service. So everyone who got job along with my sister have been posted to villages as their first appointment. But now very few of them still work in their allocated villages. Most of them used recommendations to get transfer within few months. But my sister accepted the offer and she still works in the same village even after 3 years of completion. She has worked hard and has succeeded in getting 100% result every year. According to her the most of the students are very intelligent and can even repeat the same sentence that my sister said in the class when asked questions. But what they lack is basics of English grammar. The teachers who have thought them at primary level have never made these bright minds to learn the basics. So what ever knowledge these students have is wasted because of lack of English knowledge.
Now what has government done to encourage teachers in rural sectors. They have put a rule but never followed it. Also there is an award for best teacher every year and it is given based on seniority and not based on your achievements or taking your rural service into account.
So this is the status of rural schools in Tamil Nadu. What more do u think government can do now? They can make rules to encourage but the execution is always a problem.
But government schools in cities are the best. I have done all my schooling in government schools and never faced any problem.
I think you missed the point! If the private corporations in India tried they can always find well qualified candidates from any section of the society. Are they trying hard? Will they try? Will it take government intervention? That was what it took in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaiganes
Minorities in US include blacks, hispanics,native Americans,Asians and women.
You work for IBM. May be, in the next all employees meeting you can raise this issue and see what happens! :) Who knows? IBM might take the lead as it did in the US.