thiruvasakam in symphony

Topic started by Sridhar Seetharaman (@ 67.83.146.59) on Mon Apr 7 15:33:24 EDT 2003.


http://www.thiruvasakaminsymphony.com/v_eng.htm#8a

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tee,

what are you trying to say with your pea-brain?!

For ppl with microscopic grey matter content, things that are as humungus as pea remain insurmountable!!!
pun intended! offense unintended!!

Thanks,
Jaiganesh.
http://silencerocks.blogspot.com

Dear SSSSAV,

Just look at the acrimonious language directed at the TIO Project Team in the recent postings. I do not think that you people deserve this. But why has matters come to such a state.

I think the impatient hard core IR Fans have become angered not by the long wait but more by the lack of news on the status or progress of the TIO release. Some of these fans, lacking the discipline to keep their emotions in check just let fly to give vent to their frustrations.

Some updates might have averted such postings. Even if you are not able to give definite dates, at least some information on what is happening on the matter of TIO release might have helped. It is understandable if you are not able to give regular updates, some information now and then rather than being silent and watching the heated debate from the sidelines would be better. Lack of information would lead people to speculate and come up with unreasonable scenarios and unfounded conclusions.

Dear IR Fans,
All of us have waited a long time for this momentous event. the release of TIO. Some of us or may be most of us may have become impatient and frustrated by the long wait. The silence of the TIO Project Team may have added on to our frustration. The silence should not be construed as some misdeed on their part. The wild and unsubstantiated accusations against them is uncalled for and very unfair. These people have taken on a thankless job, for which they are not paid. All for the love of IR, his music and Tamil. Please do not use their shortcomings as an excuse to run them down. This will only serve to demoralise the team and might even prevent them from giving off their best for the success of the TIO release. This should not be allowed to happen now We must not falter for we are at the finishing line.

They have their constraints, they have to balance work and family life and still find time to volunteer for the TIO Project Then there is the additional task of coordinating with the team in India before any information can be posted.
So IR Fans, let us not fire from the hip but be mature enough to be patient, understanding and appreciative of the TIO Project Team.

Please refrain from using base language to air your feelings on THIRUVASAKAM IN SYMPHONY, it is HOLY. Thank you.

Hi All!
I agree with every word of G's post!
TiSO is a lifetime work by IIR in his own words("Idharkaagathaan naan pirandhen!"). It is not a typical cinema album. In fact even some cinema track albums take over a year to complete. Comparing that the time taken by TiSO team and IR is worth every micrsecond in GOLD. Let us not bring down the decorum of this forum by airing irresponsible and acerbic critiques. Let us pray to the force divine that the stone melting lyrics are tuned to perfection by IR.

Thanks,
Jaiganesh

JaiGanesh and G you couldn't have put it better.
I would rather wait for a refined product than a shoddy work done in haste. Definitely the post roduction work after NOV 10TH final recording needs adequate time

G????

"for which they are not paid"

So says you and which fool is to believe. At the look of it there are many in this forum who might fall for it......

G,
Very well said. Thank you.

Most of us know the regular/genuine dfers here. And then, there are few atrocious postings from guests (sample KK's above) trying to have some fun that should be, at best, ignored!

Rather than wanting to hear regular updates that things are in progress, I would prefer all silence now to hear the final announcement about the release of this spectacular musical creation, which for sure will happen very soon (probably, in the beginning of the New Year!).

I think people who are not doing the work at this point, WE, should behave as what we can at best be - good spectators:-) Let us just behave like one and wish the TiS team the very best. All IMHO.

isaiosai,
"Rather than wanting to hear regular updates that things are in progress, I would prefer all silence now to hear the final announcement about the release of this spectacular musical creation, which for sure will happen very soon "

yes sir, like waiting for the 'symphony'...

Hmm!
Few points to ponder..
1. Symphony was done as a pure IR project. There was no Tamil maiyyam behind IR's symphony.
2. John Scott, the conductor of Symphony #1 has said that IR did not want to release Symphony because of criticisms of some mindless critic who could not understand new ideas of IR.
3. On the other hand TiSO is a project which IR does, but not for himself , but for Tamil Maiyyam. If critics in the west do not like it, I guess Tamil Maiyyam won't bother and still go ahead with its release in Asia(in worst case scenario in South Asia atleast).

Theses are my thoughts alone. I would be glad if SSSAV and team would clarify and assure that in 1. no case TiSO can be equated to a Symphony
2. Its release is not dependant upon some certificate from any critic from the west who has no understanding of Indian Musical Moorings.

I think that alone can stop people who are chewing this issue by posting highly demoralising (atleast for me!) posts.

Thanks,
Jaiganesh
http://silencerocks.blogspot.com

Oops, I got a bit emotional and my spelling and formatting in the previous post has gone haywire. I request people to bear with the errors , but consider the content.
Thanks,
Jaiganesh
http://silencerocks.blogspot.com

Jaiganesh has hit the bull's eye!!
TiO[TiS] is OUR project!
As we had said in an earlier posting, no force on earth can stop it from reaching the mass who have funded it!
The logistics are taking more than its due!
The final product is in IIr's hands and he is very particular that this should reach the people for whom it is intended asap and to be precise, by Jan 14th!!
Please bear with us and we are doing everything we can humanly possible to get this done.
Will soon meet with you all here with the happy announcement very shortly.
Till then, please be patient!
We know that this is not going to satisfy you but this is all we can say now.
'kaalam oru naal[J14] maaRum
nam kavalaikaL yaavum thherum!!'
YIA!!

Thanks for the update SSSSAV.

Please don't be discouraged by the vociferous few.

There is also a message from fr. Jegath which has since been updated at http://www.tis-usa.com. Pl. check that out!
YIA!!

Friends and fellow Raaja devotees, I would like you to visit http://geocities.com/petta_pistha/ and listen to the 4 Jhonny BGMS I have posted and comment on them. Thanks

SSSAV ,
I cannot but appreciate teh efforts of TIS team !!!!

Hi All!
Thanks to TiSO team for allaying my fears on the project. On the other hand, the marketing challenge that Father is mentioning is indeed a monumental one. I suggest that we should take this matter to influential political leaders who are publicly posturing to support Thamizh arts and culture!! I guess, if this project can be brought before their eye, definitely something might happen. With their connections and support base, they can push this project to fruition, provided they really care for Thamizh and its globalization. If someone from this thread knows email IDs of political parties in TN, please provide, we can mail them and inform them about this. It is an ideal opportunity to come together as Thamizh music fans!!

Thanks,
Jaiganesh
http://silencerocks.blogspot.com

Jaiganesh, you are the best in this forum!

Can't but help join and shower praise on you for your dedication and unbounded enthusiasm for the project. I thought almost all IR fans are in their mid 30s to late 50s in this forum, but you are in your mid 20s and it means IR has such a growing effect on the young minds. This is proof for TiO or TbI to just DO IT! what i mean is, forget politicians and other entities. Everything is a balanced approach. Too much dependence on outside forces weakens the objectives. TbI will find its way into the public eventually, and fans like you and me who are in the enlightened league of music fans will be the driving force.

Merry Christmas, Happy New Year to one and all. See you all by Pongal!!!

SSSSAV - why only SONY, UNIVERSAL and HMV - why not TIME-WARNER ? has that option been tried out ?

besides, has the TiS team tried out Mr.Kavichandran Alexander (KA) of Waterlily Acoustics, San Diego ? someone like KA will have contacts and will surely help

since time is now a constraint, please try every option possible

I am thinking with my feet firmly on the ground

Now it is only more clear why such a delay in the release. These fellows are only talking big money, and money is the only concern. Nothing noble or selfless as Jageth and the gang have potraited to be to this forum.

They for one thing do not have the confidence that it will be commercially viable, that is why they are looking for a big scapegoat to take the risk upfront and themselves to make all their profits upfront. What is so different about these people compared to any other producers, who simply come into any project like vultures for the only sake of making money. Please don't come here and talk like saints, who have devoted your life to this project without any expectations!!!!!

When a dog barks at you, I do not think rational explanation will do anything to lessen its barking. The wiser approach will be to ignore it.

KK,

They are not talking about profits. They just want to offset the loans they had on them. That too, for a person like Father Jegannath, $100000 is too much of a money, I believe.

They have rendered their attention and services for free for almost an year(or may be more). Is that not a selfless investment by itself.

Regarding commercial confidence, for a noble project like that, we never know. For a spiritual project like this, there is only 50% chance to be commercial blockbuster.(Who thought Passion of Christ will make so much money in this era?).

I think for all this, they deserve some respect and what they did in my opinion is saintly.

guys--

one thing that amazes me, is just because IR has been associated with this project - it has assumed some great moral, altruistic cause.

Agreed, it is great that an obscure classic is being brought to the public's notice and IR having a reputation of being absolutely creative, that does not give any higher moral character to the people who have `chosen' to manage this project.

A lot of money has been donated by well meaning people (I havent- for the simple reason that the way this project has been advertised and managed), when genuine questions are asked, sometimes they are given some kind of sermon or how someone had gotten ill, lost the mortgage on a house, A well audited and documented response will make some sense.

Creating a website and setting up the sales of TIS should intially be enough, by word of mouth and if the product is mind blowing - then sales will pick up.

I get the feeling that when everything is ready (post production), the real story will emerge.

IR - Please prove me wrong.

raja m -
You had doubts with their methods and hence not contributed. Fine.

Why then this vimarsanam? And why this advice that it's enough to sell thru website - what right you've got to tell them?

uzhaikkavumillai, panam kodukkavumillai - pinna enna pechu vendi kedakku? If anything, you can criticize them only when you PAY AND BUY the product...till then umakkuppesa arugathai illai...

mr. oodubakthi..

I have all the right to be incensed. No one has any moral right to do all the advertisement in a website for film music (as against this holistic task). All and sundry are giving their inputs, probably you are so `incensed' because now you have doubts.. Pechu is free brother - I will continue to blabber whenever I want - I am sure I bring some good results to the post.

You cannot tell me about arugadhai - shove it..

"No one has any moral right to do all the advertisement in a website for film music (as against this holistic task)" is not for you to decide. It's for the admin to have it or not. If they found it inappropriate, they would've deleted long back.

Hmmmmm...

`matran manaivi azhagillai' endru chappukkottikittu pesara type alukalidam morality / logic pesuvadhu en madaththanam...bye!

incensed:

If I had mentioned that I too have contributed then probably you would have told me, ..please be patient..you will be rewarded.. TIA...etc..etc..

my suggestion was this need not be so complicated, now that the symphony has been produced at a top notch professional setup-IR or his managers need to get some professional to do the marketing..

FYI I am a fan of IR and have enjoyed his output for years, I dont know or care who you are, am not interested in googling who incensed is with his/her ip address - come out and type in your real name.
My point is just because maybe `you' have contributed to the project (with or without the understanding) that you will receive a copy of the recording -that does not give you any bloody right to criticize me, you dont have any idea about me, how much I spend on music etc.

As Mike Myers says `ZIP it'.

incensed:

Maatran Manaivi azhaga illai asimgama - I dont discuss such stupid topics - please watch the swan in case you have cable ( I have cable dont watch the program). This is a forum where TFM is discussed, thiruvasagam is neither film nor commercial - If you have been visiting this forum for some time - may be you have an idea of where I am coming from, so please come down from the self appointed pulpit you are sitting on.

Only time will tell what IR fans get out of this deal.. I hope to `buy' the CD - whenever it is released.

"This is a forum where TFM is discussed, thiruvasagam is neither film nor commercial "

Raja,

You're absolutely right. This thread has no place in this forum. I'm surprised it took you over one year to figure that out.

Anyway, better late than never. Please abandon this thread and never post in it again. May be you can also send a note to admin and ask them to close it down.

Thanks for the enlightenment

We invite 'Raja M and DHG' to visit the first page of this forum and look at the top right corner and tell us if that is TFM?
Why don't these stalwarts leave it to the admin, [who is a capble man on these issues,] to decide what is worthy and what is not, instead of trying to be the 'Mr. Know-it-all'!!
IIR belongs to TFM and his fans are from TFM and the admin sees this as appropriate to keep IIR's fans updated on this monumental project by a TFM stalwart[IIR]. Why don't you all just keep quiet ?!
Of course, you have already said, "Pechu is free brother - I will continue to BLABBER whenever I want -" !! Go ahead; and be our guest!!
YIA!!

SSSSAV, I think you missed the sarcasm in DHG's post...He is with your cause and not otherwise, IMHO...

YIA'nna ennanga? Is it 'yellam iraivan arul'?:-)

SSSSAV:

Please be more truthful,everyone knows that only this forum has provided you a donation pudhayal. It is the goodwill of music fans of IR of tfmpage that has given you a boost. Spare us the bs. Since you have been collecting a lot of money, you have a responsibility to answer- you cannot decide who can question you. This is public forum - try to understand - try you can .. Since blabbering is the required format in this thread -I mentioned the SOP for posting in this thread.



Dushyanth: I dont believe in enlightening you or your kind - if you cannot understand what is being said here, well go ahead with your `blissful' state.

I am not a know-all, just one who is genuinely interested in stopping dr.SSSSAV from pulpit preaching (thankfully Fr.Jegath has not stepped to this plate) from taking a higher moral stand - there is no mention how much public donation is being spent on a `morally higher' project.

mnt :-)

As someone who contributed US $500. I am writing this:

The organizers of this project did not promise that a product would be done at a particular time or anything when they made the request for donations.

I made the contribution on my own free will based on my admiration of IR and have been particulary impressed at the updates provided by the TIO team.

I am in Marketing myself and I understand the time it takes from completion of product to launch and the time taken in this instance is not anything more than normal.

The best approach to the people who have taken this shameful approach of defaming anything by IR purely driven by thier obsession to discredit IR or envy is to plainly ignore them. Rationale explanation to thir postings will have no value as the objective of thier postings seem to be spite.

// Please be more truthful,everyone knows that only this forum has provided you a donation pudhayal. //

on what basis do you say this ??

tee,

On the basis that your kottaai is too large for your pants.....

G and Jaiganesh - the peacemakers - Help!

hmm!!
Ennaannu solluven enge poi solluven!!
Pleez! As I have said earlier, let us be patient. Dear K.K.(U posted as tee tee ) and dear tee! agreed that we have difference of opinion amongst us, but that should not be miscontrued as a license to unbridled attack either in favour or against this project and its executors. This work is by saint Manikkavasagar and the words in thiruvasagam are ethereal and transcendental in nature. giving benefit of doubt to Mr. Raja M 's arguments, we will still have to decide to wait for the release hopefully. When the whole village (tamil maiyyam and team and enthusiasts) is pulling the charriot , if there is a small stone hindering, it is very natural for people to get irritated. That should not mean that people should start swearing at each other. I ask for friends like Raja m , KK and others, to be patient. If this project succeeds(In my opinion it will!), then you will be forced to eat a humble pie for having cast aspersions on a sincere bunch of people. How do I know that these people (Tamil Maiyyam) are sincere? Well, if someone like IR is putting his entire career and reputation on line and doing something , then the intentions of these people must be honourable. Let us hope that "the omniscient one" whose praise Saint Manicca vaasagar sang so eloquently will guide us and the tamil maiyyam to success. Also I would like people to remember that success of this project is a better visiting card that thamizh people can give to the rest of the world. Keeping all this in mind, let us wish IR and thamizh maiyyam team all the best. For those who support this project, it is better to ignore indecent remarks and baseless allegations than to answer them wasting your precious time.

Thanks,
Jaiganesh
http://silencerocks.blogspot.com