Udhiri pookalaa? DM-A? I think Udhiri PookkaL. DONT ASK ME TO EXPLAIN. UP-yA? Hey Ram-A? Now, that is delikkat possissan
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Udhiri pookalaa? DM-A? I think Udhiri PookkaL. DONT ASK ME TO EXPLAIN. UP-yA? Hey Ram-A? Now, that is delikkat possissan
Explain...Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
boss..plum kulla irukkara writer ah thatti ezhuppidatheenga..appuram avar explain panna aarambicha we might see another seperate thread soon Uthiripookal vs Devar Magan :)Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-glove
Actually, that's exactly what I'd like to see. Flu has a fascinating mind & I'm a fan.
What is there in this bleddy udhirippookkaL I say.
Someone give DVD I say. TV-layin pOda mAtrAinga.
Last time I saw it, it was quite ordinary. IMO TM, Nayagan kitte ellAm nikkavE koodaadhu. veRikka veRikka paarththuttu OdippOyiraNum.
No P_R. You guys(P_R, KG etc) would not have seen with critical eyes. Please see it with your critical eyes. Lot of subtlety and greatness. I think DVD is available in the market. I watched this movie on DVD two years back. Great But I would stay away from comparison with Mahandhi and Hey Ram as you know I am fan of Kamal and will be biased.Quote:
Originally Posted by P_R
unga poorvaasrama peyar enna?Quote:
Originally Posted by cinema
K_G is a liker. avar Plummanaarai ezhudha vaikkaradhukkaaga solraar.Quote:
Originally Posted by cinema
I saw it on DD after a lot of hype one.
From what I remember: some Charuhasan, Foovadhi scenes, which were - acting, dialogues, overall feel - very very very ordinary.
I will watch. ivvaLavu pEr solreengannA yEdhAvadhu irukkalaam. irukkum.
Yeah, I liked it. But all things considered, I'm not sure I'd place UP ahead of Nayakan. So hoping Flu's posts would help remind one of its merits.
Watched Udhirippookkal DVD a few years back. Plum/Jaiganes ku erpatta thaakkam enakku erpadala. Marupadiyum paakkanum...
I am not writing any time soon, Git :oops:As I mentioned before, Udhiri Pookal pathi ezhudhaNumnu nenaichA, "What Ay"-kappuram pEnA nagaradhE illai.Avlo dhaan. Onnum solradhukkillai.
Not just UP, I'd extend it to Mahendran films in general. They are all likable. Maybe even 'poetic' (which is one thing I hope someone could translate into words) But not sure I like 'em as much as Balu Mahendra films.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
Now, jaikanes. That's a guy to catch for writing about UP. Avara modhalla valai veesi thedungappA. Indha threadlaye avaru contribute paNNa vENdiyadhu. RajavOda dhukkam visArikavum varala - manushan engE pOnArnu theriyala. Nerd lives close to his place I think. Avara vuttu thEda sollaNum
I used to post in the old hub with names cine_info and cine_fan. That hub was very funny and entertaining with no active moderators I believe. After hub imposed lot of rules, the fun part was gone. I have been watching hub on and off and became active early this year. I recall some of the names from the old hub but not whole lot though. Apparently lot of them left.Quote:
Originally Posted by P_R
Uthiripookkal used to crtics darling in late seventies and eighties. For example there was great episode in DD(during 1992 or 1993 I believe) about great tamil movies and the episode started with Aboorva sagotharargal as it was recent one then. the second episode was about Uthiripookkal and they discussed the movie in detail and its greatness. That episode gave me an interest to watch that movie but I did not have chance to watch it until 2-3 years back when DVD was released. I don't remember all the scenes but from what I remember the all the hype about its greatness was justified.Quote:
Originally Posted by P_R
Same here - kaattu thee madhiri pathikkum (arokyamaa) BM vs Mahendra SinghQuote:
Originally Posted by kid-glove
I'll try only one item: I am not sure I can do justice so if it doesn't sound great, blame me, not Mahendran.Azhagiya Kanne itself is visual poetry, that and all I think even sceptics(read feeyaar) will agree. Infact, Sriranga Ranganadhanin looks ordinary in comparison for a single parent(ashiwin isn't technically but for all practical purposes,is), two kids, playfulness between them, between them and parent, their ordinary daily routine, the parent's emotional bulwark being the children..ipdi epdi pArthaalum Mahanadhi song loses deposit.. (Ha, now accuse me of being a Kamal fanatic, Nayagan folks!). Ofcourse appa !=amma so a bit odious comparison. I'll continue in next post since my mobile is swallowing para breaks making my posts unreadable
Ashwini and Haja Sheriff(the son, elder to the daughter, Anju) wash the clothes together at padiththuRai. The son is so matter of fact used to assisting the mother at such a young age. It doesn't stand out. apdiyE normalA irukkum. Little Anju watches from distance, and tries squeezing water out of her wet paavadai in the same manner. Heartu melt-O meltu. That is the prelude. Watch out for next post
azhagiya kaNNE - andha pAttE avvaLavA pudikkAdhu.
paadinadhu yaaru?
Ashwini bathes the boy in the song. And in general, that he is the elder and more responsible of the two chldren comes out. Later after Ashwini dies, the chiththi has just entered the household. Young woman, with her own dreams and life. Mahendran has her casually observe as the boy and little girl have their bath. Even if you simply capture it(no freudelent analysis, please!) it, it is possible to milk the sentiment in the scene. Two kids, when mother was there, so much attention and care was showered on them. Now, a chiththi simply watches them managing their own chores. By itself enough to invoke sendiment. Perhaps add a sad version of Azhagiya kanne here, with present and past cut in succession to underline the sentiment? Perhaps have the chithi give villainous expression or disturbed by the children and scold them? Now watch Mahendran at work. He simply matter of fact shows the children bathing and the erstwhile little kid Anju soaping her brother, a role performed by her mother when she was alive. Time has passed. And the little one, instinctively as would a female heart, takes over the mothering role to her responsible elder brother in her small way. Heart is a mish mash of melted wax. Eyes are a misty river. Udhiri PookkaL is why I would NEVER make a obese joke on Anju in my life.
azhagiya kaNNE - Janaki. Title song kELunga, adhuvum nalla song.
I am not surprised that UthiripookkaL has not much takers. It's not a look-at-me kind of film that proclaims it's greatness, at times I think the film itself is not conscious about it's greatness. It's just that a film maker in his best frame of mind with the best available resources (including the short story) makes a film in the way he likes and it turns out to be one heck of a piece. I am one absoulte fan.
Thou art fit only for treasons and strategems!Quote:
Originally Posted by P_R
Couple of good examples that worked for me too. Thank you. They did work in giving a matter of fact slice-of-life snapshot(s). And that's a good quality for sure. To create emotion out of moments, brought about by characters. A quality that I cherish about early Mahendran is the fact he didn't direct our (viewer's) attention to him or to his wit, but always the character's. Also, the unbridled quality of letting the character govern the plot & not the plot govern the characters. To sum his films into a plot line would be disservice. All that I get. But...
Super :)Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-glove
Aye, aye. Lovely, AM, lovely. Tm, N paththi ellaam karuththu irukkaa?Quote:
Originally Posted by AravindMano
Why I mentioned the technique of a sad song with either a)cut between past and present to underline the character's misfortune and changed circumstances b) montage of the character's past to summarise/outline the current plight is think Sethu for a) - Vikram hale and healthy in the past, emaciated in the present, is underlined in Enge Sellum. For b), countless examples. Thenpaandi cheemaiyile? Mahendran doesn't need these props to invoke your tears. He simply shows the moment. And the rest your heart does it.
Mani Rathnam once said "If I get anywhere near what Mahendran did in Udhiri Pookkal, I’ll be a happy man." But the matter is Kamal never said that because Kamal wanted to go above that.
Indha subtlety, subtletyngaraingaLE. Andha subtlety-aiyE subtle-A sonnadhu Mahendran dhaan. NammallAm explicitA thuruthikittu nikkaRadhaiyE subtletynu koNdAdarOm...
Very general statement. Quote with examples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
Title song: hey chinna poongatru thaalatta. Raja's voice plays with your heart like it was his violin string. And he hints the first interlude of Azhagiya Kanne in the first interlude here. That interlude captures the helplessness but small happiness of Ashwini's situation. Ofcourse, TM has its own musical motifs and BGM. But, Raja is a character here. He is there. You don't see hom but You knowhe is there. You don't pay attention to him but all the while he is occupying your mind as much as what you are watching on screen. Probably, it is Raja who tilts the scales for me. His craft is at a higher peak here. Yes, it is raw, it being only his third year in TF. But that suits Udhiri PookkaL in a way that the organised, tight-orchestrating latter day Raja cannot.
please change the title to Nayagan v Devar Maghan v Udhiri Pookal .. (vera edhavadhu add pannanumnaa requestungo)
Nothing off my head :( I'll tell you why I made that statement. RecentA sila pala threads-la, idhu subtleA beautifulA solli irukkArnu padichappO, andha timela chippu vandhudhu idhellAm dhaan subtletyAnnu. But I don't remember now and can't be bothered to search now. If you want me to retract that statement since I cannot quote examples, I will.Quote:
Originally Posted by cinema
Did UP work 'emotionally'? The visuals in particular. Any particular shot that took us to a heightened state as the character's. Like the close-up shot of Bhagavathar as he feels the cemented wall in Veedu. Which is one of my fav. unadulterated moments on film. Pure cinema.
i dont think Mahendran can make a hey ram to save his life......kamal's peak as a director is very high but we have to really see more samples - he needs to make more movies really.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Mahen
This is what kamal for me as a writer/director. Whether it is comedy(MMKR etc.,), Action(kuruthipunal, aalavandhan) or drama(DM, Hey Ram, Virumaandi, Mahanadhi), kamal can excel it. Please think about any genre in cinema and related to kamal as creator, you won't feel uncomfortable in attaching that genre to Kamal and the same can't be said to anyone else IMHO.
Kamal as writer/director is based on his experience with directors but he cant be near to the greats like KB, BM,RCSakthi,Mahendran. He is like kuzhandhai in that area and gets lost in one direction ...
the movies mentioned. All are not from kamal himself. There was Crazy mohan and ofcourse another fantastic creator MR.Singeetham Srinivasa rao who joined hands with Kamal to give many good movies for us. You cant just give the credit to Kamal for all these.Quote:
This is what kamal for me as a writer/director. Whether it is comedy(MMKR etc.,), Action(kuruthipunal, aalavandhan) or drama(DM, Hey Ram, Virumaandi, Mahanadhi), kamal can excel it. Please think about any genre in cinema and related to kamal as creator, you won't feel uncomfortable in attaching that genre to Kamal and the same can't be said to anyone else IMHO.
on another note
See singeetham explaining how Apoorva sagotharargal was made
http://www.youtube.com/user/maatv#gr...892FA0005E680B
No, kid. You don't get an emotional high in any single shot. That was BM's technique. Imo, I struggle with BM films - they are always mixed. Moments of brilliance. Then ordinariness. Oru volatility irukkum. But then that is the nature of the man. Mahendran is a placid guy. As I observed before, avaroda extra-marital kasamusavE oru placid-looking thuNai nadigaiyOda dhaan, unlike the high profile Balu M, who could mix it up with some top-of-the-line brilliance like Shoba. . The closest you get to feeling a character's emotion is when a Vijayan, with his Life crumbling before his eyesa, and his citadel brought down in a few hours, and facing the fate awaiting him, turns placidly to the people and says "naan paNNa thappulaiye periya thappu ungala violent akkinadhu dhaan". A bit out of the place in that Mahendran seems to have abandoned his character graph suddenly because even 5 minutes before in the movie, you don't see any chance of his character making such an observation. But then, it is his last moment and what he goes through, and perhaps a resigned acceptance brings up that end-of-life wisdom vignette. But Mahendran's triumph is you feel that character's mind at that point. Finally, he repents, and his mind goes not to his individual crimes but the horror of the impact of his psychological violence on the people now turned against him.Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-glove
I never thought of giving credit to just Kamal. Just attaching Kamal to any genre. Kamal did not take complete credit for even movies such as mahanadhi. So you can conveniently ignore the assumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by rajeshkrv
P_R
IMO mahendran had different way of story telling. He did not belong to any tamil movie school. He resembled more like Satyajit Ray and Adoor than Balachandar of Tamil. So probably we might have unconciously ignored his movies' greatnes. That is why I asked you to revisit udhiri pookkal. Only in hub some critics value content over entertainment part, which I have never seen anywhere else. So we should give right recognition for Mahendran, which I think he deserves it.
Metti??????????Quote:
Originally Posted by P_R
Anyways Why is Mahendran and UP talked about in a thread which is specific in the Title DM Vs Nayagan.
Help me understand plssssssss