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    YAAVARUM KAELHIR ( Tamilian - Culture & Social Issues)

    Topic started by R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68-0-198-105.ri.ri.cox.net) on Mon Oct 20 15:11:42 .


    "Yaadhum Oorae, Yaavarum Kaelhir" is the Gospel of TAMILIAN-CULTURE. Right from the Ancient days of Humanity around the world, Tamilians have established this highly healthy Social-Culture of UNIVERSAL-LOVE.

    Participants are invited to discuss on the relevant Issues, in the HEALTHY ASPECT and HEARTY-OUTLOOK, true to the spirit of the above TAMILIAN GOSPEL.




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    R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68*) on: Mon Oct 20 15:27:01 EDT




    "¾Á¢úò ¾¡ö ?"

    ¦À¡ÐÅ¡¸ ¯Ä¸õ «¨Éò¾¢Öõ ¯ûÇ ÅÆì¸õ ¾¡õ À¢Èó¾ «øÄÐ Å¡Æ ¿¢Ãó¾ÃÁ¡¸ ¬ì¸¢¦¸¡ñ¼ ¿¡ð¨¼ò ¾¡ö ¿¡Î ±ýÚ ÜȢ즸¡ûÅÐ.

    ¬É¡ø ¾Á¢Æ÷ ÁðÎõ "¾Á¢úò¾¡ö" ±ýÚ ÜÚÅÐõ ¾Á¢úò¾¡ö Å¡úòÐô À¡¼ø À¡ÎÅÐõ ¬¾¢ ¸¡Äõ Ó¾§Ä ÅÆì¸Á¡¸ þÕ츢ÈÐ. ²ý?

    ¾Á¢Æ¨Ãô À¡÷òо¡ý "¦¾ÖÌ-¾øÄ¢" ±ýÚ ¦¾Öí¸Õõ, "¸ýɼ-Á¡¾¡" ±ýÚ ¸ýÉÊÂ÷¸Ùõ ºÁ£À ¸¡ÄÁ¡¸ì ÜÈ¢ì ¦¸¡û¸¢È¡÷¸û. þýÛõ ܼ þó¾¢ì¸¡Ã⨼§Â§Â¡, Åí¸¡Ç¢Â⨼§Â¡ ²¨É§Â¡Ã¢¼§Á¡ þùÅÆì¸õ ²üÀ¼Å¢ø¨Ä ±ýÀÐ §¿¡ì¸ò¾ì¸Ð.






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    R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68*) on: Wed Oct 22 17:19:36 EDT




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    R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68*) on: Sat Oct 25 22:06:52 EDT




    ¾Á¢úò ¾¡öì ¸ÕòÐ ²ý?

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    R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68*) on: Sat Nov 1 16:02:31 EST 2




    "THAALI"(Thirumaangalyam) in Marriage.

    Is it an Ancient Tamilian's Custom?

    Participants views are invited.





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    R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68*) on: Thu Nov 13 16:01:15 EST




    Thirumaangalyam so called "THAALI" in Tamil is the Traditional Religious custom ever since the ancient days as well as during Sangaththamizh period.

    One of the proofs for this belief is the Andal's Nachiyar Thirumozi sung during Sanga Kalam. In "Vaaranamaayiram" song Andal says:-

    "¸¡ôÒ ¿¡ñ ¸ð¼ì ¸É¡ì¸ñ§¼ý §¾¡Æ¢ ¿¡ý"

    And further from the wordings

    ...Å¡ö ¿øÄ¡÷ ¿øÄ Á¨È µ¾¢ Áó¾¢Ãò¾¡ø....±ý ¨¸ô ÀüÈ¢ò ¾£ÅÄõ ¦ºöÂì ¸É¡ì¸ñ§¼ý..."

    ...«õÁ¢ Á¢¾¢ì¸ì ¸É¡ì ¸ñ§¼ý..."

    we can understand that the traditional Vedha-culture was uniform all over India, until foreign Muslim-invasions.





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    R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68*) on: Wed Dec 3 16:28:00 EST 2




    Indian-Culture in general is the Vaedhic-Culture, the so called Hindu Religious Culture. And the Tamilian- Culture is no doubt a part of Indian Culture and almost similar to that Motherland's Culture in Content and Classification.

    But if keenly observed, the Uniqueness of TAMILIAN-CULTURE can be noted prominently and effectively CONSPICUOUS amongst the diversity of Indian-Culture on the whole.

    While the entire Indian-Culture is Spiritual-based with no lesser degree in the Tamilian-Culture, the noteworthy factor in Tamilan-Culture is .....

    .... the higher degree of INTRICACY..

    ... in SPIRITUALISM... sans Renunciation

    ....stressing the Moral-Values..

    ....of Conscienceous and Judicious Life...

    ....ensuring the Hearty feel as ONE HUMAN

    ...amongst the VAST SOCIETY,

    ..IMBUED with the Spirit of EMPATHY..

    ..and UNIVERSAL-LOVE ensuring Social-concern...



    .... properly availing the FOUR...

    .. INNATE POTENTIALITIES.. Humans are born with

    ... to EARN the Means of Life for...

    .. worthy MUDANE-LIVING ....ensuring

    .. the True SUCCESS and HAPPINESS...

    ...meaningfully PROSPEROUS..by REALITY..for

    .. duly performing the multifaceted DUTIES

    ...for Self, Family, Society and God

    ... with the least SACRIFICE...

    ... of neither the HUMAN-VALUES...

    ... nor the Righteous Living..

    ... and FINALLY seek the ULTIMATE GOAL...

    ... of LIBERATION FROM RE-BIRTH.

    Such factors can be observed not only from their Ancient Customs and Civilisation but also in the Great Tamilian-Literature, which are the most AUTHENTIC PROOFS.

    Right from the tender age of every Tamilian child the thought of Moral-values on Life is inculcated.

    For example ..... the First sentence of the First Tamil Lesson for a Beginer-Student is....

    «Èõ ¦ºÂ Å¢ÕõÒ. (Aram Seya Virumbu.)

    Which means.....

    " You must be constantly Thinking, Wishing and Intending to perform only a Moral-Life of RIGHTEOUSNESS."





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    R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68*) on: Tue Dec 9 22:45:11 EST 2




    Unique TAMILIAN - CULTURE : "View through HEART"...

    Swami Vivekananda was asked by one American: "Why your Hindu Religious Prophets Sankaracharya and Ramanujacharya speak contrarily preaching different Gospels on one and the same Religion of Hinduism?... Will it not be confusing to the disciples as to which one to be followed.?

    Swamiji replied:" Basically the so called Hinduism is not at all one Religion but a Composite form of several divergent Gospels suiting to different Souls commensurate with Ones ability of Individual Faith, Approach and Perception..... Besides.....

    Sankaracharya speaks through his Brain.... whereas...

    Ramanujacharya speaks through his Heart... so both have got to be different.

    And the people have the parallel options to chose any one of them.

    Ramanujachaarya's Hearty Culture is and was the True and Eternal Culture of Tamilians .....ever from the date of Origination of their Culture.... from the period prior to the Birth of Ramanujachaarya.

    This aspect can be ascertained from the underlying high spirit of Overall Tamil-Literature, far highly discernible from the Literatures of other Languages of India.

    Some of the ancient Tamil poems of several centuries ago..... speaks for itself....

    ÀøÄ¡ñÎ ÀøÄ¡ñÎ Àøġ¢Ãò¾¡ñÎ Àħ¸¡Ê áȡ¢Ãõ
    ÁøÄ¡ñ¼ ¾¢ñ§¼¡û Á½¢Åñ½¡ ¯ý §ºÅÊ ¦ºùÅ¢ ¾¢Õ측ôÒ
    «Ê§Â¡§Á¡Îõ ¿¢ý§É¡Îõ À¢Ã¢Å¢ýÈ¢ ¬Â¢Ãõ ÀøÄ¡ñÎ
    ÅÊÅ¡ö ¿¢ý ÅÄ Á¡÷À¢É¢ø Å¡ú¸¢ýÈ Áí¨¸Ôõ ÀøÄ¡ñÎ
    À¨¼§À¡÷ ÒìÌ ÓÆíÌõ «ôÀ¡ïººýÉ¢ÂÓõ ÀøÄ¡ñ§¼.

    Says the Vaishnava-Devotee Periaazhwaar alias Vishnuchithar on the God Vishnu.

    In this Poetry the Devotee not only describes Vishnu alongside the Beauties of His various Divine Possessions, Paraphernalias and Adorations but also blesses the Supreme God.

    Have we ever heard or seen in any Religion in the world..... where the Devotee, so to say the Human-being blesses the God instead of seeking the God's Blessings!...... But NOT with Superiority-Complex.... but sheerly out of .... MUTUAL-LOVE..... further asserted by his HUMBLE-WORDS about self.

    "±ø§Ä¡Õõ þýÒüÚ þÕì¸ ¿¢¨ÉôÀЧŠ«øÄ¡Áø §Å¦È¡ýÚ «È¢§Âý ÀáÀçÁ..."

    Says Thaayumanavar a Saiva-Devotee....

    Stating his Wishes addressing the God Shiva...... for the UNIVERSAL HAPPINESS..... and that he does not know anything other than that WISH !

    «ý§À ¾¸Ç¢Â¡ ¬÷ŧÁ ¦¿ö¡¸
    þýÒÕÌ º¢ó¨¾§Â þξ¢Ã¢Â¡
    ¿ýÒÕ¸¢ »¡Éîͼ÷ Å¢ÇìÌ ²üÈ¢§Éý
    ¿¡Ã½üÌ »¡Éò¾Á¢ú ÒÃ¢ó¾ »¡ý.

    Says Poothathaazhwar another Vishnu-devotee

    To mean..... that he worships the Lord Narayana with a Flame of Light.... out of a Hand-Lamp base depicted as LOVE.... Oil as the Spirit of ENTHUSIASM..... the burning cotton-chord as the PLEASANT THOUGHTS.

    A few out of many such ones in Tamil-Literature..... highlights the spirit of HEARTY LOVE more than the Spirit of Devotion.

    When such is the case while approaching the God Supreme as well as....

    The vast mass of World-Society.....

    What is the INNATE Propensity of the Tamilians ! and ...

    How Great and Unparallel their Culture must be.....

    Culminating in their Unique Civilisation .... can be well imagined.





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    suresh (@ 61.2*) on: Mon Dec 29 08:14:06 EST 2003




    good .... no response for a real topic. i shall give my reply tomorrow.... till then just keep the thread alive....





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    rahul (@ 203.*) on: Tue Jan 13 12:09:02 EST 2004




    srinivas : tamilians are a great breed and I admire the culture .. have studied deeply about the rich intricasies of their ancient teachings and i am very impressed about everything about the nuances of the word thamizh and everything surrounding it except ... their illogical , brainless hatred of brahmins and hindi . for such a great culture, it is a anamoly to have such foolish and dangerous views on a particular community . they are down right foolish .. everything about brahmins and non brahmins is similar including the thaali custom u have mentioned .,., then why the hatred for another kith and kin? please let me know yr views on this





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