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    Chapter 6:

    SAANKYA YOGA


    Verses 1 TO 10


    anaashritha: karmaphalam kaaryam karma karothi yah:
    sa sanyaasii cha yogi cha na niraknir na chakriya:

    yam sanyaasam ithi praahoor yogam tham vidhi paandava
    na hyasanyastha sankalpo yogi bhavathi kashchana

    aaroorukshor munEr yogam karma kaaraNam uchyathE
    yogaaroodasya thasyaiva sama: kaaraNa muchyathE

    yadha hi nendriyaarththeeshu na karmasvanushajjathE
    sarva sangkalpa sanyaasi yogaaroodasthadhochyathE

    udhdharEdh aathmanaathmaanam na-athmaanam avasaadhayEth
    aathmaiva hy aathmano bandhur aathmaiva ripuraathmanah:

    bandhur aathmaathmanas thasya yEnaathmaivaatmanaa jithah
    anaathmanas thu shathruthvE varththEthathmaiva shaturuvath

    jithaathmanah prashanthasya paramaathma samaahitha:
    sheethoshNa suka dhukkeshu thathaa maanaapamaanayo

    gnaana vignaana thrupathaathama kootastho vijithEndriyah
    yuktha ithi-uchyathE yogi samaloshtaasama-kanchana

    suhrun mithraari-udhaseena madhyastha dhveeshya bandhushu
    saadhushvapi cha paapeshu sama budhdhir vishishyathE

    yogi yunjeetha sathatham aathmaanam rahasi sthitha
    Ekaaki yatha chithaathma nirasheer aparigraha:




    Non-performer of work or a person who does not light the sacrificial fire is not a sanyasin. True sanyasin is the one who works without attachment to the fruits of his work.

    Renunciation is uniting oneself with the supreme self. He who cannot renounce sensual pleasures cannot become a yogin.

    Work or karma is the means to attain yogic state. When he has become a yogi, then serenity or stopping of performing activities is the way to reach supreme state.

    When a person has attained thus the yogic state, he is said to have renounced all material desires or gratification of senses and does not act selfishly to satisfy his senses or does not stay attached to the fruits of work.

    Man must lift himself by his own self (i.e. self knowledge) He should rise higher with his mind and not fall down and degrade himself. For self, matured mind or 'self' alone is the friend and 'self' alone is his enemy.

    For the one who rules his mind with intellect or his shining atman, the mind or self becomes his best friend, and for him who has not reigned his mind, mind becomes the worst enemy.

    For that person who has conquered his self, the supreme state is already perceived, he has mastered serenity. In happiness or sorrow, heat or cold, pleasure or pain, honour or dishonour matters not, and he remains in peace ever. (not that they dont face opposites or dualities, but such situations, even when faced, doesn't matter to such yogins as they perceive them as same)

    An ascetic soul is satisfied with self knowledge and realisation. He is stable and unswerving in his attitude, he has mastered his senses and self-controlled. thus he sees everything the same. He sees stones and gold with same vision.

    Still more excelling is that person who regards his friends and foes equally. He is equi-minded amongst those who are hateful or pioius. He vision and attitude remains same amidst sinner and saint.

    A yogin should constatntly concentrate his mind on the almighty brahman, He should live in solitude, alone and should be carefully controlling his mind. He should rid himself from desires and longings for posessions.





    கருமத்தின் பயன் கருதாது செய்யவேண்டிய கடமையைச் செய்பவன் சன்யாசி அல்லது யோகி ஆவான். அக்னி வேள்வியையில் தன் கர்மங்களை விட்டவனோ செயல்களைத் துறந்தவனோ அன்று.

    பாண்டவா! எது சன்யாசம் என்று கூறப்படுகிறது அதுவே யோகம் என அறிந்து கொள். புலனின்பங்களைத் துறக்காதவன் யோகி ஆக மாட்டான்.

    யோகத்தில் ஏற விழையும் ஞானிக்கு செயலே வழியாகிறது. யோகி ஆகிவிட்டபின்போ அந்த ஞானிக்கு செயலற்ற நிலை சிறந்த சாதமாக அமையும்.

    இந்தியங்கள் நாடும் பொருள்களில் பற்று இன்றி, கர்மங்களில் பற்று இன்றி இருப்பவன் யோகத்தை அடைந்து விட்டவன் என்று சொல்லப்படுவான் (கர்மங்களில் = கர்ம பலன்களில்)

    மனிதன் தன்னை உயர்த்திக்கொள்ள வேண்டும். தன்னைத் தாழ்த்திக் (தன் செயல்களால், எண்ணங்களால்) கொள்ளக் கூடாது. தானே தனக்கு நண்பன், தானே தனக்கு பகைவனும் ஆகிறான் ( அவன்= அவன் எண்ணங்கள், ஆசைகள், செயல்கள்)

    எவன் தன்னை ஜெயித்தானோ அவன் தனக்குத் தானே நண்பன். தன்னையே வெற்றிக்கொள்ளாத ஒருவன், தனக்கே மிகப்பெரிய பகையாளி.

    குளிர் வெட்பத்தாலும், இன்ப துன்பத்தாலும், மான அவமானங்களாலும் தன்னை ஜெயித்து அமைதியான உள்ளம் உடையவனுக்கு ஞானம் பிறழாது சமத்துடன் நிற்கிறது.

    அறிவிலும் ஆன்மீக ஞானத்திலும் அமைதி கண்டு, புலன்களை வென்றவனுக்கு மண்ணும் கல்லும் பொன்னும் சமப்பார்வையில் அமையும். அவனே யோகி.

    அவனை விட சிறந்து நிற்கிறான் நண்பர்களையும் பகைவர்களையும், நல்லவர்களையும் கெட்டவர்களையும், உறவினர்களையும், தன்னை வெறுப்போரையும், ஞானிகளையும் பாபிகளையும், சம நிலையில் காண்பவன். அவன் எல்லோர் நலனும் நாடும் ஸ்தித மனம் பெற்றவன் ஆகிறான்.

    யோகி எனப்படுவன் எப்போதும் தனிமையிலும் ஏகாந்தத்திலும் இருந்து தன் உள்ளத்தையும், எண்ணத்தையும் அடக்கியவனாய், ஆசைகளை அகற்றுபவனாய் எதையும் நாடாத மன உறுதியுடன் இருக்க முயலவேண்டும்.

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    Chapter 6:



    Verses 11 TO 19


    suchau dhEshe prathishtaapya sthiram aasanam aathmanah
    naathyuchritham naathineecham chailaajina kushoththaram ||
    thathraikaagram manah kruthva yatha-chiththendriya kriya
    upavishyaasane yunjjyaadh yogam athma vishudhayE ||

    samam kaaya-shiro-greevam dhaaraya achalam sthirah:
    samprekshya naasikaagramm svam dhishaschanavalokayan ||
    prashaanthaathma vigathabhir brahmachaari vrathe Sthithah
    manah: samyamya macchiththo yuktha aasiitha mathpara: ||

    yunjann Evam sadha-atmaanam yogi niyathamaanasa:
    shanthim nirvaaNa paramaam mathsamsthaam adhigachchathi ||

    nathyashnathaSthu yogosthi na chaikaantham anashnatha:
    na chaathisvapna-sheelasya jaagratho naiva cha-arjuna ||

    yukthahaara vihaarasya yuktha cheshtasya karmasu
    yuktha svapnaava bhodhasya yogo bhavathi dhukkaha ||

    yadha viniyatham chiththam athmani Eva-avathishtathE
    nispruha: sarva kaamebhyo yuktha ithi-uchyathe thadha ||

    yatha dheepo nivathastho nEngathe sopamaa smrutha
    yogino yatha chiththasya yunjatho yogam aathmana: ||




    Set in a clean pious sacred place, which is neither too high or low, and then need to be covered with sacred grass, deerskin and a cloth, the yogin needs to sit and with one pointed singular concentration controlling his thoughts and sense he needs to practice yoga for the purification of the soul.

    Having the body neck and head straight and erect and staring steadily at the tip of the nose, without allowing his eyes to wander, thus with subdied mind , without fear and following or firm in celibacy, he should meditate upon me, and have me as the final goal in life.

    Thus the yogin with controlled mind, always harmonised and at peace, attains nirvana which resides in me.

    This harmonised peace does not occur in a person who eats too much or too little or who sleeps too much or too little.

    That person who is temperate in food and eating habits, sleeping and recreaton and is restrained in actions can mitigate his miserries by practicing yoga.

    With the practice of yoga, he disciplines his actions physical and mental and dwells in transcendence devoid of sensual desires, he then thus becomes a yogin


    Just as how a lamp lit in a place where there is no wind, do not waver, so also the yogin, whose mind is subdued and controlled and who always practices union with the self, is steady in meditation and does not waver.




    தூயமையானதான இடத்தில் ஏகாந்தத்தில், அதிக உயரமோ தாழ்வோ இல்லததுமான ஒரு இருக்கையில், தர்பைப் புல், மான் தோல், வஸ்திரம் ஆகியவற்றை ஒன்றன் மேல் ஒன்றாக அமைத்துக்கொண்டு, அவ்வாசனத்தில் அமர்ந்து மனத்தை ஒரு நிலையில் கொணர்ந்து செயல்களையும் இந்திரியங்களையும் கட்டுப்படுத்தி ஆன்மீகத் தூய்மைக்காக யோகத்தைப் பயில வேண்டும்.

    உடலையும் தலையையும் கழுத்தையும் நேராக அசையாமல் வைத்து, ஸ்திரமாய், ஒரு திசையும் பாராமல், தன் மூக்கு நுனியை உற்று நோக்கி அலைபாயாத மனம் கொண்டு, அச்சம் விடுத்து, பிரம்மச்சரிய விரதம் பூண்டவனாய், என்னைப் பற்றியே சிந்தித்து என்னையே உயர்ந்த இலட்சியமாகக் கொள்ளவேண்டும்.

    இவ்வாறு மனதை கட்டுப்படுத்தி எப்போதும் சமநிலையில் இருப்ப்பவன் யோகியாகப் பெற்று, என்னுடன் இருக்கும் அமைதியில் இறுதியாக நிலைக்கப்பெறுவான் (மோக்ஷம் பெறுவான்)

    அதிகமாக உணவை உட்கொள்பவனுக்கும், உண்ணாமல் இருப்பவனுக்கும் யோகம் நிலைப்பதில்லை. அதிகம் உறங்குபவனுக்கும், உறங்காமல் விழித்திருப்பவனுக்கும் யோகம் கிட்டுவதில்லை.

    மிதமான உணவும், மிதமான கருமங்களில் ஈடுபடுபவனும், தூக்கத்திலும் விழிப்பிலும் மிதமாக இருப்பவனுக்கு யோகம் துக்கத்தைப் போக்குவதாகிறது.

    கட்டுப்படுத்தப்பட்ட மனமானது ஆன்மாவில் நிலைபெறும் போது, அவன் எல்லா ஆசைகளினின்றும் விடுதலைப் பெற்றி யுக்தன் ஆகிறான்.

    காற்று புகாத இடத்தில் எரியும் ஜோதியானது ஆடாது நிலையாக எவ்வாறு ஜொலிக்கின்றாதோ, அவ்வாறே கட்டுப்பாட்டுடன் கூடிய மனநிலையில் இருக்கும் யோகியின் யோகமும் மனமும் அசையாது இறையினிடத்து நிலைபெற்று நிற்கிறது.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakthiprabha

    Set in a clean pious sacred place, which is neither too high or low, and then need to be covered with sacred grass, deerskin and a cloth, the yogin needs to sit and with one pointed singular concentration controlling his thoughts and sense he needs to practice yoga for the purification of the soul.

    Having the body neck and head straight and erect and staring steadily at the tip of the nose, without allowing his eyes to wander, thus with subdied mind , without fear and following or firm in celibacy, he should meditate upon me, and have me as the final goal in life.
    .
    I always wonder whats the deal with celibacy and the whole thing about withdrawing those natural impulses. Anyway..


    In the eight rungs of Yoga (Yoga Sutra 2.29), rung five is Pratyahara, the withdrawal of the senses. This is often mistaken to mean that we sit still and close our eyes. While that is very important, it is not the real meaning of sense withdrawal, or Pratyahara. Here, when we truly turn attention inward from not only the typical objects of attention, but also inward from the senses themselves, we encounter the deeper ability to concentrate on mind itself. Mind itself is formless, in the conventional sense of an object having shape and dimensions, just as the senses and elements were also described as formless in the conventional sense.
    http://www.swamij.com/prakriti-purusha-sankhya.htm


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    Quote Originally Posted by anbu_kathir

    I always wonder whats the deal with celibacy and the whole thing about withdrawing those natural impulses. Anyway..
    I aint sure about breath control though they do relate mind-control is made easier thro breath control n concentration.

    Celibacy: I suppose its important during the pursuit of pure knowledge as any amount of distraction is bound to indulge u more deeply into the sensual gratification. Just like how tongue doesn't stop to crave for savouries and sweet, ears are not tired of hearing praises about us, eyes are not tired of seeing our near n dear ones, all senses never tire to experience what they want. Mind control is far more superior and difficult.

    It is said, the greatest and toughest sensual control is control of sexual desire. When the aspirant achieves the control thro right amount of indulgence and gradually proceed towards celibacy they win the desire for mate.

    Having won, the yogin or saint dont swerve even when they are experience the gratification when necessary. (shankaracharya or raghavendra or other saints are great examples for the same)

    Before winning the desire, when we indulge more n more into it, it is very powerful to push us greater into the deep invisible pit.

    Hence mild indulgence and later celibacy is adviced for serious aspirants . Thats my understanding.

    Thanks for the link prasad

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    I very much like the idea of 'observation' than 'control'. Buddhists constantly talk of 'mindfulness', which means involving oneself completely within the task at hand, whatever activity that may be. Control automatically 'dawns' with persistent observation, I think.

    Anyway .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakthiprabha
    I aint sure about breath control though they do relate mind-control is made easier thro breath control n concentration.

    Celibacy: I suppose its important during the pursuit of pure knowledge as any amount of distraction is bound to indulge u more deeply into the sensual gratification. Just like how tongue doesn't stop to crave for savouries and sweet, ears are not tired of hearing praises about us, eyes are not tired of seeing our near n dear ones, all senses never tire to experience what they want. Mind control is far more superior and difficult.

    It is said, the greatest and toughest sensual control is control of sexual desire. When the aspirant achieves the control thro right amount of indulgence and gradually proceed towards celibacy they win the desire for mate.

    Having won, the yogin or saint dont swerve even when they are experience the gratification when necessary. (shankaracharya or raghavendra or other saints are great examples for the same)

    Before winning the desire, when we indulge more n more into it, it is very powerful to push us greater into the deep invisible pit.

    Hence mild indulgence and later celibacy is adviced for serious aspirants . Thats my understanding.

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    during the pursuit of pure knowledge as any amount of distraction is bound to indulge u more deeply into the sensual gratification.
    Dear Sp,

    Thats correct.

    Music gratifies - one hearing sense,

    Movies gratifies two (audio-visual).

    Talking to others is enjoyable because of the three organs involved.

    Food gratifies four, taste, touch, visual and smell.

    Sexual act gratifies all five senses.

    The more sense organs involved, more difficult to take the mind away from it.

    The "I" thought is maximum displayed during sexual act, because sexual act gratifies all the five sense organs.
    http://veda.sakthifoundation.org/kama-shastra.htm

    Dear AK
    'observation' than 'control'.

    That's right, mere controlling keeps desires hidden and will outburst voilently when there is a vent. Observation alone is an excuse for the Ego, to keep gratifying with the pretext of "observation".

    So both should go hand in hand. See here about the symbolism of observation .
    http://www.sakthifoundation.org/Space_how_to-8.htm

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    Re: A novel interpretation

    Quote Originally Posted by Shakthiprabha
    Quote Originally Posted by harishkumar09

    Madhva gives a novel and different interpretation to this verse. He says that one should perform actions and aspire for the fruits of ones actions ! He divides fruits into two kinds - mukhya phala and amukhya phala --- the primary and secondary. The primary fruits are knowledge , devotion and detachment from materialistic existence. The secondary fruits are materialistic ones like wealth, position and progeny. The Gita says one should expect the primary results and not the secondary results. On deeper analysis we find that the secondary results accrue inevitably as a result of the performance of ones actions, even if we don't wish for them.
    Interesting facts about primary and secondary fruits However Ive read that, it seems the ultimate detachment is even detaching from the concept of god himself or knowledge or bhakthi. The essense should be just BEING (not attaching to any kind of fruit) and thats all there is to it, but then, thats talking about very superior level and not applicable to almost everybody.
    That would be the buddhistic concept.In buddhism there is no God and so you detach yourself from the concept of God or Knowledge or Bhakthi.

    But if we take a soul as the eternally existing entity (as described in the BG) then knowledge and bhakthi would be there even in the end. This is because the soul is constituted of knowledge and Love and you can't detach Knowledge and Bhakthi without annihilating the soul itself, which is exactly what happens in Buddhism(Nirvana which means 'blow out') and advaita(dissolution into the Nirguna Brahman).Thats why you will find that in Advaita there is not much emphasis on devotion.

    In the Vaishnava schools of thought the soul is eternally existent and knowledge and devotion which "make up" the soul also continue to exist in the final stages. Detachment would mean detachment from material attributes only and even here it is by cultivating superior taste rather than forcible supression of the sex urges.

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    Dear Harish
    why you will find that in Advaita there is not much emphasis on devotion.
    Adi Shankara the exponent of Advaita wrote various devotional slokas on dieties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pradheep
    Music gratifies - one hearing sense,

    Movies gratifies two (audio-visual).

    Talking to others is enjoyable because of the three organs involved.

    Food gratifies four, taste, touch, visual and smell.

    Sexual act gratifies all five senses.
    Interesting pradeep. thankyou.

    Quote Originally Posted by harish
    Detachment would mean detachment from material attributes only and even here it is by cultivating superior taste rather than forcible supression of the sex urges.
    Forcible supression of sexual or any material urge never works. It is gradual dis-interest with the help of KNOWLEDGE, that alone lifts one away from material desires and makes him yearn for different goal than materialistic goal. To such men, who already have proceeded quite a distance in achieving the goal, detachment of desires of any kind happens naturally. It is about such yogins we talk on in sankhya yoga. Normal man in a single leap, in single day, acnnot become a yogin. Its a gradual process.

    I feel it is initially thro bhakthi and then gnaana.

    Quote Originally Posted by harish
    That would be the buddhistic concept.In buddhism there is no God and so you detach yourself from the concept of God or Knowledge or Bhakthi.

    But if we take a soul as the eternally existing entity (as described in the BG) then knowledge and bhakthi would be there even in the end. This is because the soul is constituted of knowledge and Love and you can't detach Knowledge and Bhakthi without annihilating the soul itself, which is exactly what happens in Buddhism(Nirvana which means 'blow out') and advaita(dissolution into the Nirguna Brahman).Thats why you will find that in Advaita there is not much emphasis on devotion.
    soul as eternally existent can here means "consciousness" or "being" i.e. the nirguna brahman. Soul here therefore may mean nirguna brahman.

    Karmas or vasanas alone makes the difference but they are not part of soul and hence are not eternal. Without these soul is without guna i.e. nirguna. So what difference does it make to call it a soul or nirguna brahman?

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    Temple Architecture

    I was watching the movie, "Chronicles of Riddick" where the villain Lord Marshal forcibly converts people and takes them to a place called the "Underverse" to which he has been. In that world, they learn to overcome one pain by suffering another greater pain. This would be a correct description of the tamasic category of souls in Madhva's system of philosophy. In his system there are three categories of souls -- Sattwic who worship Vishnu based on correct knowledge of who He is, the Rajasic category which is interested in secular ideologies and pleasure seeking (who don't get Moksha), and the Tamasics, who always hate Vishnu (descend to Eternal Hell). These categories should not be confused with the prakritic gunas of Satva, Rajas and Tamas, which are different and mean something else. For the Sattwics bliss is moksha, and for the Tamasics, the pain is what they are after. For them the pain is Moksha.

    The Hindu temples are built in such a way that all three types of souls reach their respective destinations. The Sattwic category of souls see in the temples the Veda itself, the secret Divinity hidden deep in the cave, which is his destination, so he ignores the outward display of erotic images , and goes straight to the core in the sanctum sanctorum. The Rajasic category is interested in architectural beauty, the technological achievement of temple construction( westerners are a good example of this category ) and focussing on this, they satsify their intellectual tastes. They are the ones in the middle plane of existence. They would focus on the celestials and angels playing divine musical instruments, present in the middle part of the temple.

    The tamasic category of souls on the other hand, see sex everywhere and in their deluded minds (muslims), concluding that this religion is nothing but sex, focus on destroying the temples. In this way they are able to commit the sins which take them to the underverse where they experience the pain they love so much. That is the moksha for them.

    It is not merely the temples, but all aspects of hindu culture are created to give "moksha" to these three categories of people.Thus in the puranas the word "maithuna" is used to denote, in the true sanskrit tradition of double entendres, interaction, speaking, talking, and also physical sexual interaction. It is the context that decides what it means. Thus in the Upanishads the word "maithuna" is used to denote the interaction between Brahma and his daughter Ahalya, which is interpreted by the secularists and muslims scholars as sex between Brahma and his daughter and he is accused of "incest", as the tamasic category of souls always sees sex everywhere. The Rajasic types would enjoy the sanskrit language, and study it as a linguistic scholars. But the Sattwics would understand it from the context as meaning intellectual discussions between Father and Daughter.

    According to Madhva, Vishnu impels all three souls to perform actions conducive to their final destination, Vaikuntha, repeated births, and Eternal Hell. They are motivated by their own natures to perform meritorious and sinful actions, but Vishnu helps them as well. So temples, dance forms, music, everything triggers three different kinds of responses. Thus while Hindus take the divine meaning in the dance forms, the westerners take interested in the evolution of dance forms, muslims see that there is only sex in Indian dance forms. This enables them to perform sinful activites such as temple destructions and burning of libraries containing Vedic scriptures, enabling them to reach Hellish worlds.

    According to Madhva, the contradictions in scriptures were deliberately introduced to delude the Rajasics into adopting secular philosophies and not waste their time on religious matters. They just need an excuse to seek pleasure and the contradictions provide them. For a bhaktha however, he sees the plan of Vishnu and sticks to Him till the end.

    Likewise the erotic images in the temple have been created to induce muslims to perform sinful act of temple destructions. Whereas a Hindu or a westerner will take the time to understand the philosophy and see that the temple is constructed just like the four sheaths of the human body, the physical (erotic sculpture), subtle (angels playing music), causal (outer sanctum)) and soul (inner sanctum sanctorum), the muslims being of a demoniacal mentality do not have the patience to do so and concluding that hindus are sex-worshippers, indulge in temple destruction.
    Last edited by Harish Kumar; 15th March 2011 at 10:38 PM.

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