IR Darisanam - Info reg IR attending Function

[Plum]

amamaam. adikkudhu kuliru, thappu thanda panniduvennu paadinavanga ellaam kAmandhakaarannga.

Screen-la paadarudhukkum personal philosophykkum enya mudichu podareenga?

Andha situation-ku illaiyA andha pAttu? padam paarthuttu sollunga

[app_engine]

Andha situation-ku illaiyA andha pAttu? padam paarthuttu sollunga

Plum, I think irir123 is referring to the AM song where IR is appearing on screen as IR for a title song (youtube link in another thread).

So,it's not for a different character / situation. "Official policy statement"ungO

I agree with irir123 about the lack-of-logic in dissing pArin sarakku

However, having exposed to his controversies for decades, I'll continue to defocus my attention on IR's "off-music personality"...

[Plum]

Nonsense. Kadha kelu kooda dhaan title song. ADhukkaga adhu policy stmt aayiduma?

[app_engine]

Nonsense. Kadha kelu kooda dhaan title song. ADhukkaga adhu policy stmt aayiduma?

IR roomu, kOyil, koLam, notes'nnu his everyday life is shown in the AM song - did you see the video at all? How can you compare that with the kadha kELu kadha kELu? It's like 'pAttAlE budhdhi sonnAr'!

[Sureshs65]

irir123,

Digressing here. If we try and remove the motive from what he said, why do you think whatever he said, explaining 'Ella Pughazum Iraivanukke', is blabbering? He has a point in what he said. It is question of intent which is bothering people. I do not think what he spoke was blabbering. It makes lot of sense.

'Ulagam Ippo' is a film song and you getting angry on that makes no sense. When you take one line or two lines from a film song and rip it apart it makes sense but if Raja takes a phrase and tries to explain his interpretation it is blabbering? It doesn't make sense to me. If we have the right to interpret a film song and we feel quite smug about our own interpretation, why not give Raja the benefit of doubt for his interpretation? Please don't take offence when I say 'you'. I mean this in a generic sense. There are lot of people offering such interpretations for all actions of Raja. They can speak whatever they want but Raja can't

Of all the music directors that I have heard, (if I don't consider SPB as a music director) Raja is the one who makes most sense whenever he speaks. Be it what he spoke when Rahman was felicitated or when Jayakanthan was felicitated or when Vaali was felicitated. He spoke wonderfully about Balu Mahendra in 'Coffee with Anu'. So I cannot agree with you that he blabbers.

Whether a persons spiritual quest succeeds or not is between him / her and the creator. Who are we, who don't even try, to call them as confused people? Maybe _we_ are confused because we want our idols to be 100% white? Because we want them to do no wrong? And we define wrong as what we feel wrong? I guess I will stop now before someone says I have started blabbering

[Sureshs65]

irir123,

I still don't find what is so offensive about 'anniyarin selvamellam, annai manukku enayamo'. This seems to be a clear case of him talking about material wealth and not about artistic wealth. While you rant about this I would ask you to look at this in a different way. He has not gone and settled in US or some other country, like lot of Hindustani music greats did. He doesn't keep going often abroad to give live shows and earn money. He has not sent his children off to some foreign country and asked them to settle there, like lot of 'pachai tamilzhans' have done. Maybe he has the right to say what he says. He is still in Chennai, he is still composing for films of all Indian languages and he probably still feels that whatever India offers to him materially is enough. Maybe he will never go and settle in the US. Maybe that is what he means and there is no reason to take offense to that statement.

Ofcourse I have no clue as to what he exactly meant but I want to say that we can have multiple interpretations to this and everyone is putting their own anger/frustration/jealousy onto this simple statement. So my honest feeling is that so much anger on such a simple statement is probably unwarranted.

[app_engine]

Suresh65,
The media made a big publicity for the "first time appearance of IR as IR" for that AM song, if you remember. Though that is not correct (nizhalgaL, karakAttakkAran, pudhupudhu arthangaL are some that I can quickly remember where IR appeared as IR in recording theater settings), that is a recent news, may be with a view to marketing AM, friendship with Sangili Murugan etc.

What naturally follows is unavoidable - that of scrutinizing those lines / scenes that supposedly directly connect with IR, the person. And with the long time notion in the web that "IR does not appreciate ARR, jealous of his greater successes" etc (may be wrong, nobody can be sure), it's not unusual to look at this song, his recent thathuvam in some classical CD release program etc.

My gripe is IR can use all such occasions in 100 other ways to enhance the reach of his own music, instead of talking thathuvams / making statements that could be interpreted as sour grapes.

ஒண்ணுமில்ல, அவர் கம்போஸ் பண்ணின அனுபவங்கள் பேசினாலே போதும், ஆனந்தமா எல்லாரும் கேட்டு வாழ்த்தப்போறோம்...எதுக்குய்யா வம்பு'ங்கறோம்...

He did wonderful at the ARR felicitation, possibly some positive people around him at that time. On other occasions, possibly there's a lot of negative talk around, that catches up to him to make some rash statements, IMO. (Remember the Myskin trigger at vAlmeeki release?)

[irir123]

Sureshs65 - please tell me what is the meaning of "pattiniyum, paamararum, Bharathathhin selvamandro ?!" - 'poverty, and hunger are India's wealth ?!" - if this is not mystic nonsense, then what is it ?

[Sanjeevi]

irir123

Paamarar - definitely india's wealth
Paamarar = village person

Pattinii= konjam idikkuthu but it is a fact of India

[anegan]

பட்டினியும் பாமரரும் .... This is how I took it.
இங்கே பட்டினியும் இருக்கும் பாமரரும் இருபார், நானும் இங்கே தான் இருப்பேன் ஏனென்றால் இது என் சொந்த பூமி.

ராஜா இப்போது தான் இப்படி பாடல் பாடி இருக்கிறாரா? "சொர்கமே என்றாலும் அது ..." பாடலையும் நாம் ஆராய வேண்டாமா? சில மீடியாவும் மற்றும் சிலரும் வாய்க்கு அவள் கிடைத்தார் போல மென்று கொண்டே இருக்கிறார்கள்.

என்னை பொறுத்தவரை இளையராஜா எதை செய்தாலும் சரி தான். மேலும் இவர் ARRஐ பகிரங்கமாக தாக்கி இருக்கிறார் என நம்ப முடியவில்லை.

-அநேகன்