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12th June 2008, 09:41 PM
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I have struggled to enjoy Shelley. Most of the Shelley (and Wordsworth) I learnt were in classrooms in middle school where we were given to understand that these folks were good for learning of the language. Much like : "eat the vegetables they are good for you" So these metaphysical wrestlings have never been my cup of tea. I always felt very distant from these poems.
Originally Posted by
Shelley
If Winter comes, can Spring be far behind?
Beautiful line.
Bharathi was a famous Shelley fan. In Gnanarajasekaran's biopic Bharathi, there is a scene where the Raja of Ettaiyapuram is on his royal procession. All townfolk pay respect to the Raja as he passes his house. When Bharathi is asked by his anxious well-wisher to come down down and pay his respects to the King - who was also his employer - Bharathi refuses citing that the Shelley society is session. The soceity - consists of Bharathi and two other fellows who listen on as he recites Shelley.
The enraged Raja dismisses the arrogant Bharathi who adds insult to injury by thanking the king for dismissing him. He walks away reading aloud: "If Winter comes, can Spring be far behind?"
மூவா? முதல்வா! இனியெம்மைச் சோரேலே
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12th June 2008 09:41 PM
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13th June 2008, 04:08 AM
#22
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I have taken my share of poetry classes and there are days (like when we did P.B. Shelley...you could hear the silent groans as students waited out prof and profs quietly challenged students to speak up! And oddly enough it was simply amazing how when the first courageous person said something...as simple as I think this poem means or....i liked the part where...and this is why or how...anyway to explain rather than just appreciate is a welcome courtesy to poem...many times we admitted to not knowing at all what the poem or part of the poem was about....but the important thing was....everyone's contribution small or in depth became crucial to everyone's understanding of the poem...
that all said I will just like to show what I always love about poems...the verbage is just rich....look at how many times colour and colour related words are used to express a colourless wind....
Furthermore look at all the rich coloured images that he uses...all are being charged and invigorated by the winds power..these i have hi lighted in red....as simple as saying fire brings to mind all these crackling, ferocious crimsons, yellows, whites, fiery oranges....see how many times leaves is mentioned..and specifically autumn leaves...the most colourful leaves of all...and then see how the colours and colour images fade into gray and ash to the bleakness of winter...see how much death imagery is associated with winter (highlighted in brown)
NOW someone else (as inexperienced as you may declare yourself to be)...please find and highlight all the words that have to do with the five senses...see how a wind that we can neither see or hear or smell can be all these things...
PP Maam it would really help us if you could point out the imagery that you really like....i know as anyone else just the sheer length of a poem can be scary but when broken up into bits of pictures....it is more kinder to every reader
P. B. Shelley
Ode to the West Wind
O WILD West Wind, thou breath of Autumn's being
Thou from whose unseen presence the leaves dead
Are driven, like ghosts from an enchanter fleeing,
Yellow, and black, and pale, and hectic red,
Pestilence-stricken multitudes!-O thou
Who chariotest to their dark wintry bed
The wingèd seeds, where they lie cold and low,
Each like a corpse within its grave, until
Thine azure sister of the Spring shall blow
Her *clarion o'er the dreaming earth, and fill
(Driving sweet buds like flocks to feed in air)
With living hues and odours plain and hill-
Wild Spirit, which art moving everywhere-
**Destroyer and Preserver-hear, O hear!
*clarion is a trumpet
** did you know /shelley was really into eastern religions? destroyer/preserver ring any bells???
Thou on whose stream, 'mid the steep sky's commotion,
Loose clouds like earth's decaying leaves are shed,
Shook from the tangled boughs of Heaven and Ocean,
Angels of rain and lightning! they are spread
On the blue surface of thine airy surge,
Like the bright hair uplifted from the head
Of some fierce Maenad, ev'n from the dim verge
Of the horizon to the zenith's height-
The locks of the approaching storm. Thou dirge*
Of the dying year, to which this closing night
Will be the dome of a vast sepulchre*,
Vaulted with all thy congregated might
Of vapours, from whose solid atmosphere
Black rain, and fire, and hail will burst-O hear!
*dirge is a mourning song
*sepulchre is a tomb
Thou who didst waken from his summer-dreams
The blue Mediterranean, where he lay,
Lull'd by the coil of his crystalline streams,
Beside a pumice isle in Baiae's bay,
And saw in sleep old palaces and towers
Quivering within the wave's intenser day,
All overgrown with azure moss, and flowers
So sweet, the sense faints picturing them! Thou
For whose path the Atlantic's level powers
Cleave themselves into chasms, while far below
The sea-blooms and the oozy woods which wear
The sapless foliage of the ocean, know
Thy voice, and suddenly grow gray with fear
And tremble and despoil themselves:-O hear!
If I were a dead leaf thou mightest bear;
If I were a swift cloud to fly with thee;
A wave to pant beneath thy power, and share
The impulse of thy strength, only less free
Than thou, O uncontrollable!-if even
I were as in my boyhood, and could be
The comrade of thy wanderings over heaven,
As then, when to outstrip thy skiey speed
Scarce seem'd a vision,-I would ne'er have striven
As thus with thee in prayer in my sore need.
O lift me as a wave, a leaf, a cloud!
I fall upon the thorns of life! I bleed!
A heavy weight of hours has chain'd and bow'd
One too like thee—tameless, and swift, and proud.
Make me thy *lyre, ev'n as the forest is:
What if my leaves are falling like its own!
The tumult of thy mighty harmonies
Will take from both a deep autumnal tone,
Sweet though in sadness. Be thou, Spirit fierce,
My spirit! be thou me, impetuous one!
Drive my dead thoughts over the universe,
Like wither'd leaves, to quicken a new birth;
And, by the incantation of this verse,
Scatter, as from an unextinguish'd hearth
Ashes and sparks, my words among mankind!
Be through my lips to unawaken'd earth
The trumpet of a prophecy! O Wind,
If Winter comes, can Spring be far behind?
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lyre is an instrument resembling a guitar
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13th June 2008, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
I have struggled to enjoy Shelley. Most of the Shelley (and Wordsworth) I learnt were in classrooms in middle school where we were given to understand that these folks were good for learning of the language. Much like : "eat the vegetables they are good for you" So these metaphysical wrestlings have never been my cup of tea. I always felt very distant from these poems.
Originally Posted by
Shelley
If Winter comes, can Spring be far behind?
Beautiful line.
Bharathi was a famous Shelley fan. In Gnanarajasekaran's biopic Bharathi, there is a scene where the Raja of Ettaiyapuram is on his royal procession. All townfolk pay respect to the Raja as he passes his house. When Bharathi is asked by his anxious well-wisher to come down down and pay his respects to the King - who was also his employer - Bharathi refuses citing that the Shelley society is session. The soceity - consists of Bharathi and two other fellows who listen on as he recites Shelley.
The enraged Raja dismisses the arrogant Bharathi who adds insult to injury by thanking the king for dismissing him. He walks away reading aloud: "If Winter comes, can Spring be far behind?"
The quoted incident makes both Bharathi & Shelley dearer still to me! That unbending, dauntless spirit is a sparkling extra dimension to a true poet!
Q, your analysis is simply AWESOME! I am very glad you UNDERSTOOD, EMPATHISED! Length is no problem with me any time so long as the matter is relishable like this one. You may let yourself immersed into the richness of imagery & imagination of this poem & just enjoy the luxury of FEELING every beat/throb of the poet's poignant soul!
The wind as a cyclone is a destroyer & as rain-bearing gales preserver is how I interpret it!
Eager to watch the trends of the world & to nurture in the youth who carry the future world on their shoulders a right sense of values.
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13th June 2008, 11:34 AM
#24
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Ode to the West Wind
O WILD West Wind, thou breath of Autumn's being
Thou from whose unseen presence the leaves dead
Are driven, like ghosts from an enchanter fleeing,
Yellow, and black, and pale, and hectic red,
Pestilence-stricken multitudes!-O thou
Who chariotest to their dark wintry bed
The wingèd seeds, where they lie cold and low,
Each like a corpse within its grave, until
Thine azure sister of the Spring shall blow Her clarion o'er the dreaming earth, and fill
(Driving sweet buds like flocks to feed in air)
With living hues and odours plain and hill-
Wild Spirit, which art moving everywhere-
Destroyer and Preserver-hear, O hear!
Thou on whose stream, 'mid the steep sky's commotion,
Loose clouds like earth's decaying leaves are shed,
Shook from the tangled boughs of Heaven and Ocean,
Angels of rain and lightning! they are spread
On the blue surface of thine airy surge,
Like the bright hair uplifted from the head
Of some fierce Maenad, ev'n from the dim verge
Of the horizon to the zenith's height-
The locks of the approaching storm. Thou dirge
Of the dying year, to which this closing night
Will be the dome of a vast sepulchre,
Vaulted with all thy congregated might
Of vapours, from whose solid atmosphere
Black rain, and fire, and hail will burst-O hear!
Thou who didst waken from his summer-dreams
The blue Mediterranean, where he lay,
Lull'd by the coil of his crystalline streams,
Beside a pumice isle in Baiae's bay,
And saw in sleep old palaces and towers
Quivering within the wave's intenser day,
All overgrown with azure moss, and flowers
So sweet, the sense faints picturing them! Thou
For whose path the Atlantic's level powers
Cleave themselves into chasms, while far below
The sea-blooms and the oozy woods which wear
The sapless foliage of the ocean, know
Thy voice, and suddenly grow gray with fear
And tremble and despoil themselves:-O hear!
If I were a dead leaf thou mightest bear;
If I were a swift cloud to fly with thee;
A wave to pant beneath thy power, and share
The impulse of thy strength, only less free
Than thou, O uncontrollable!-if even
I were as in my boyhood, and could be
The comrade of thy wanderings over heaven,
As then, when to outstrip thy skiey speed
Scarce seem'd a vision,-I would ne'er have striven
As thus with thee in prayer in my sore need.
O lift me as a wave, a leaf, a cloud!
I fall upon the thorns of life! I bleed!
A heavy weight of hours has chain'd and bow'd
One too like thee—tameless, and swift, and proud.
Make me thy lyre, ev'n as the forest is:
What if my leaves are falling like its own!
The tumult of thy mighty harmonies
Will take from both a deep autumnal tone,
Sweet though in sadness. Be thou, Spirit fierce,
My spirit! be thou me, impetuous one!
Drive my dead thoughts over the universe,
Like wither'd leaves, to quicken a new birth;
And, by the incantation of this verse,
Scatter, as from an unextinguish'd hearth
Ashes and sparks, my words among mankind!
Be through my lips to unawaken'd earth
The trumpet of a prophecy! O Wind,
If Winter comes, can Spring be far behind?
Eager to watch the trends of the world & to nurture in the youth who carry the future world on their shoulders a right sense of values.
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13th June 2008, 11:51 AM
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Q, I love every bit of the poem, not one single line, imagery or message.
Yet, particularly special are these lines:
The wingèd seeds, where they lie cold and low,
Each like a corpse within its grave, until
Thine azure sister of the Spring shall blow Her clarion o'er the dreaming earth, and fill
(Driving sweet buds like flocks to feed in air)
With living hues and odours plain and hill-
Wild Spirit, which art moving everywhere-
Destroyer and Preserver
Thou dirge
Of the dying year,
Thou who didst waken from his summer-dreams
The blue Mediterranean, where he lay,
Lull'd by the coil of his crystalline streams,
Beside a pumice isle in Baiae's bay,
And saw in sleep old palaces and towers
Quivering within the wave's intenser day,
All overgrown with azure moss, and flowers
So sweet, the sense faints picturing them!
If I were a dead leaf thou mightest bear;
If I were a swift cloud to fly with thee;
A wave to pant beneath thy power,
O lift me as a wave, a leaf, a cloud!
I fall upon the thorns of life! I bleed! ----VERY VERY POIGNANT LINES! IT RENDS MY HEART TO HEAR A BRAVE HEART TORN!
Be thou, Spirit fierce,
My spirit! be thou me, impetuous one!
Drive my dead thoughts over the universe,
Like wither'd leaves, to quicken a new birth;
And, by the incantation of this verse,
Scatter, as from an unextinguish'd hearth
Ashes and sparks, my words among mankind!
Be through my lips to unawaken'd earth
The trumpet of a prophecy!----A DARING, DESPERATE ASPIRATION/AMBITION!
O Wind,
If Winter comes, can Spring be far behind? ---WORDS OF GOLD! QUINTESSENCE OF OPTIMISM/POSITIVE THINKING. MY VERY FAVOURITE QUOTE!
Eager to watch the trends of the world & to nurture in the youth who carry the future world on their shoulders a right sense of values.
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13th June 2008, 07:41 PM
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When one reads a poem and fails to connect to it - one can't but help feel a sense of loss. The poet's preoccuppations and their intensity are there but the experience reaches a high only if the reader is able to connect to it. The effort to go beyond the words, abandon the shells of cynicism is not always fruitful. It is a pure hit or miss Mrs.PP and Q, I must say I really envy how you have experienced this poem.
Originally Posted by
Querida
The quoted incident makes both Bharathi & Shelley dearer still to me!
Bharathi's KuyilpAttu is supposed to be inspired by Shelley's Ode to a Skylark.
I recall a lovely line from a different Shelley poem that I unable to place:
an ever moving joyless eye
finds nothing worth its constancy
I've forgotten the poem but this line just stayed with me. Even with the context you just cannot say whether the line is judgemental or not
மூவா? முதல்வா! இனியெம்மைச் சோரேலே
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13th June 2008, 08:17 PM
#27
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
I recall a lovely line from a different Shelley poem that I unable to place:
an ever moving joyless eye
finds nothing worth its constancy
It's from a fragment of a poem he never finished, which his wife published under the title "To the moon" The words are slightly different from what you remember:
Art thou pale for weariness
Of climbing heaven and gazing on the earth,
Wandering companionless
Among the stars that have a different birth,
And ever changing, like a Joyless eye
That finds no object worth its constancy?
ni enna periya podalangai-nu ennama?
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13th June 2008, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by
Prabhu Ram
I have struggled to enjoy Shelley. Most of the Shelley (and Wordsworth) I learnt were in classrooms in middle school where we were given to understand that these folks were good for learning of the language. Much like : "eat the vegetables they are good for you" So these metaphysical wrestlings have never been my cup of tea. I always felt very distant from these poems.
How did you get on with Ozymandias?
Actually, I had a similar difficulty when I encountered Shelley in middle school - the problem was that his poems are long, and definitely not modern in tone, which means it is often hard work at the start. It's a question of how the poems are introduced to readers, I think. I remember that my grandfather cured me of my unwillingness to read "To a skylark" by pointing me to a verse towards the end:
We look before and after,
And pine for what is not:
Our sincerest laughter
With some pain is fraught;
Our sweetest songs are those that tell of saddest thought.
This, and the three verses that come after, convinced me that the poem - and much else that Shelley wrote - was worth reading, and I pretty soon came to love his imagery and his choice of words, even if I don't quite agree with his attitude to life.
ni enna periya podalangai-nu ennama?
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13th June 2008, 08:38 PM
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Yes, shelley's 'Ode to a skylark' is another gem!
podalangai, I don't quite get what you mean by not being able to agree to Shelley's attitude to life. Please elaborate on your opinion!
Eager to watch the trends of the world & to nurture in the youth who carry the future world on their shoulders a right sense of values.
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15th June 2008, 09:06 AM
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Wow guys... feast to our creative minds!
To the limited extent I knew shelly, I always find him, though easy
enough to comprehend the overall beauty of the poem, very laborious and complicated to enjoy the bits and pieces. I had to strain and take that extra step to chew the tastiest bits hidden behind sheilded similies. Its like kamalhassan's comedy movies with crazy mohan's dialogue, u miss a minute, then u skip one of those choicest comedy. U wink your eye, you miss minute body language and subtler dialogue deliveries.
When I tend to read past in a hurry, I miss lot of beautiful dreamy picturisque beauty poet tried to capture, then I read , and read and read again.
Ah Finally I suppose my mind is painting those yellow and red and withered leaves which fall and dance in the air. As ever, there are messages left behind for mankind.
Thanks a lot to our dear Q, who multiplied my enjoyment and made it very easy for me, with her analysis and interpretation. As much as I enjoyed shelley, I enjoyed Q's post which acted as a torch and pointed out the beauty decors with right emphasis.
Originally Posted by
Querida
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Furthermore look at all the rich coloured images that he uses...all are being charged and invigorated by the winds power..these i have hi lighted in red....as simple as saying fire brings to mind all these crackling, ferocious crimsons, yellows, whites, fiery oranges....see how many times leaves is mentioned..and specifically autumn leaves...the most colourful leaves of all...and then see how the colours and colour images fade into gray and ash to the bleakness of winter...see how much death imagery is associated with winter (highlighted in brown)
Finally all I could picture is, you, me and everybody, mechanically following a cycle. Few on the ground sore and low as fallen leaves, few in their prime beauty and life blooming blossoming on trees, and we all helplessly wait for our next change.
Like a cycle...
waiting for snow, rain, heat, and sometimes... somewhere... spring too for split seconds.
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