Ilayarajas songs in different thalams

**rajasaranam** · 5th December 2008, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by crajkumar_be

"Raja raja chozhan naan"
"Poove sempoove"
"Maamanukku" (Netrikkann - i think the reverse happens here)
"Saandhu pottu oru sandhana pottu"
"polladha madhana baanam"
"Senorita" (Rhythm synching with guitar riffs in the pallavi and settles down in the charanam.. does it qualify?)
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others, anyone?

Top of the Head...

Raajathi raaja un thanthirangal - Mannan
Raakku muthu Raakku - Ejamaan
Karumaathur Kaattukkulle - Virumaandi
Megam Kottattum - Enakkul Oruvan
Siriya Paravai Siragai Virikka - Antha Oru nimidam
Pattukannam Thottukolla - Kaakki Sattai

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**app_engine** · 5th December 2008, 07:52 PM

There used to be a nice article on the thaLam complexity of 'nAn vaNangukiREn' (guru-Tamil) in the official website of IR (raaja.com). That page does not work currently, though.

**rajasaranam** · 5th December 2008, 09:05 PM

Was responding to a comment in Suresh's (Not our suresh here) Blog regarding usage train sounds

I wrote in that blog thus

///A.R.Rahman has always been fascinated by the rhythm sound of a train and there are not many who have used it in songs as interestingly as him.///

Hmmm... Ignorance is Bliss

Thalapathi BGM???
Poongaatru Puthithanathu - Moondram Pirai???
Manjal Nilavukku - mudhal Iravu???
Poovarasambu Poothachu - Kizhakke Pogum Rail???
Goods Vandiyilae - Kunguma chimizh???
thalaattu Kaetkaatha - Paatukku Naan Adimai???
Rathiri Neram railyadi oram - Bramma??? (No real train Yet the rhythm is so well constructed and it needs a composer yet to be born to beat it...Even the tabla is made to roll like the wheels of a train in the second charanam in this song)

Not trying to to flame a war...(Athuthaan Kadaisila Nadakkumnaalum :P) but it will be interesting for the likes of people who wants to do a study with the rhythms of Raaja, these songs will be the starting points to know how he had used the rhythm of Train into these songs for different moods like love/Eroticism/melancholy/pathos etc.,

**Sureshs65** · 5th December 2008, 09:48 PM

'Yellai nee ettipo' is a good example of how the same lines can be sung with different rhythm pattern. The first two times the lines are sung with a certain rhythm and then the rhythm changes for the same lines.

If someone wants a rhythm pattern similar to what is done by most music directors now (synth + additional percussion instruments once in a while + a bit of gathi change) check out 'Salasalakum Kaatre' from 'Twinkle Twinkle Little Star'. You can hear it here: http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00670.html

S.Suresh

**ananth222** · 6th December 2008, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by kiru

Anyways, can you throw some light on the taalam in "shiva karu damaruha layamai naadham" in kochu kochu santhoshangal (mal) ? the song has a different rhythm for every line.
(BTW, IR's usage of bass is different. I am told it is similar to the old baroque - basso continuous or something like that. It does not carry the rhythm, even though at times it drives the rhythm and then switch es to playing counter melody etc. Guitar Prasanna notes this).

Great song, I hope someone can discuss the thaalam in detail. seems like roopakam (3 beat) with a different nadais for each line.
The lyrics also seem to be interesting, describing "ragam", "nadai", "thalam","layam","naadham" etc. maybe someone can translate...

**thamizhvaanan** · 6th December 2008, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Sureshs65

Tamizh,

You may have listened to this earlier but here is an example where percussion plays a very good role in the song. "Poo Malarndida' from Tik Tik Tik. Starts with traditional carnatic music percussion, mridangam and Jesudas's entry with the swaram emphasizes the classical nature of the song. Slowly the instruments backing the song change to western arrangement and when the song ends it is completely western with only a few taps of mridangam added. Shows how Illayaraja fuses two systems so seemlessly together. Observe how the few mridangam beats add to the overall charm when the pallavi is sung again after the charanams.

You can listen to it at http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00668.html

Suresh, this one goes straight into my ipod... listening to it for the first time... I like it a lot

.

**thamizhvaanan** · 6th December 2008, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by crajkumar_be

"Raja raja chozhan naan"
"Poove sempoove"
"Maamanukku" (Netrikkann - i think the reverse happens here)
"Saandhu pottu oru sandhana pottu"
"polladha madhana baanam"

Yes.. I think there are few other songs sung by Yesudoss... they dont come to my mind immediately.

"Senorita" (Rhythm synching with guitar riffs in the pallavi and settles down in the charanam.. does it qualify?)

Just the prelude right

I get the feeling guitar riffs are inspired from whole lotta love by Led zepplin. I may be wrong, it may be just a very common riff.

Doesn't the rhythm slow down after the initial guitar strums? Or do you mean that itself is twice the speed of the main melody?
I love this song but i ponder about the rhythm in this song? The rhythm after the initial guitaring is anti-climactic for me but i wonder how else it could have been done..

Yes, but after 2nd thoughts, I agree with you.. I m not sure how else it cud ve been done. But the beats does impart a sense of urgency to an otherwise laid back melody.

**thamizhvaanan** · 6th December 2008, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by rajasaranam

Originally Posted by crajkumar_be

"Raja raja chozhan naan"
"Poove sempoove"
"Maamanukku" (Netrikkann - i think the reverse happens here)
"Saandhu pottu oru sandhana pottu"
"polladha madhana baanam"
"Senorita" (Rhythm synching with guitar riffs in the pallavi and settles down in the charanam.. does it qualify?)
......
....
others, anyone?

Top of the Head...

Raajathi raaja un thanthirangal - Mannan
Raakku muthu Raakku - Ejamaan
Karumaathur Kaattukkulle - Virumaandi
Megam Kottattum - Enakkul Oruvan
Siriya Paravai Siragai Virikka - Antha Oru nimidam
Pattukannam Thottukolla - Kaakki Sattai

RS, revisiting Megam kottatum after a long time... what a frivolous dizzy ending!!! Superb!

**thamizhvaanan** · 6th December 2008, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by rajasaranam

Not trying to to flame a war...(Athuthaan Kadaisila Nadakkumnaalum :P) but it will be interesting for the likes of people who wants to do a study with the rhythms of Raaja, these songs will be the starting points to know how he had used the rhythm of Train into these songs for different moods like love/Eroticism/melancholy/pathos etc.,

I dont mind flame war (I think they r fun :P ) but Suresh did say that not many used it in songs as interestingly as him. I think therein lies the difference :P

**Sureshs65** · 6th December 2008, 10:47 AM

Talking about frivolousness and fun, I heard this song yesterday and enjoyed this a lot. It is from the movie 'Inimay Naangadhan'. This is a harikatha with a difference. Every song in the katha kalakshepam is a film song. Every possible type of song is sung. The amazing part is that all songs are accompanied by the traditional harikatha backing, mridangam and tabla. The overall feel is one of harikatha. Listen to it. A lot of fun and also shows the genius that is Raja. The song 'Keethana Arambathil'. You can listen to it here: http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00202.html

S.Suresh