Tamil roots of sanskrit words

[bis_mala]

Malaji
There are many ragas associated with name "naaga".i think i heard about NaagaGandhari?

"Manasa Sancharare" is raga Saama and it is by "sadashiva brahmendra"(not thygarajar)

viggopji

Pl recheck on Maanasa SanjararE. During our music lessons, we sang in PunnaagavaraaLi and my notes say this was by Thiyaga swami. Are you able to check with the Kiirththanai book. of Thiyagaiar?

Some websites may not be accurate.

[rajraj]

Mala: Maanasa sancharare,in Shyama, is by Sadhasiva Brahmendrar,not Thyagaraja.

http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/1/s/ragam.47/

[bis_mala]

Raj, can U pl check with the anthology of Thiyagaraaja SwamigaL.
Is it not there?

I cannot rely on websites because recently I read in a website that the epic MaNimEkalai was by iLangO which is wrong.

I do not have the book with me here in office.

[rajraj]

Mala: I have the two volumes of Thyagaraja's compositions by Rangaramanuja Ayyangar and also the one by Parthasarathi.
The song you are referring to is
'maanasa sancharare raame
varamuni bhaktha loka.......' is in PunnaagavaraLi. Not a very popular composition. When people say 'maanasa sancharare' it is usually the composition by Sadasiva Brahmendrar. It goes like:

maanasa sancharare brahmaNi maanasa sancharare
sri ramNi kucha dhurga vihaare.......

The confusion is due to the popularity of the Sadasive Brahmendrar composition in Shyaama.

[bis_mala]

Raj, thanks a lot!

[bis_mala]

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[Idiappam]

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[bis_mala]

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«ý > «ýÚ > «ýÚ¾ø = Á¡ÚÀ¼ø, ¦¸Î¾ø (Óʾø, þøÄ¡Áġ̾ø).

«ý > «ý+Ð > «óÐ= Óʾø or «ýÚ > «óÐ > «ó¾õ.
«óÐ - ´ÕŨ¸ô â. (ÁÃõ, ¸Î¾¡º¢ ӾĢÂÅü¨È «Æ¢ôÀÐ)

¬¾¢: see thirukkuRaL thread, my post a few days ago on aathipakavan.

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Consider changes between Dravidian languages:

±ýÚ > ±ýÛ (Á¨Ä¡Çõ).
±ýÉ > ±óÐ.
ÅóÐ > ÅýÛ.
¾ó¨¾ > ¾ñÈ¢ (¦¾ÖíÌ).
«ñ½ý > «ýÉ (¦¾)
«ýÚ > «ýÛ (§ÀîÍò ¾Á¢ú)
ÀýÉ¢ÃñÎ > Àó¾¢ÃñÎ (Á¨Ä)
«ñÊÃý > ¬ó¾¢Ãõ (by researchers).

You should be able to find from the above the change: ýÚ > ýÛ > óÐ. is common.

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[shoyonika]

Hi,
Just gone through some pages and want to correct some mistakes here.

Firstly, Samskrith is, without any arguements, is the oldest refined language in the world. This is the universal truth.

Samskrith is the purest language completely evolved on its own, without any help from any other language. So, this proves(though no need to) no words or roots from other languages let alone tamil, have been used in Samskrith.

As far as Sri Max Mueller and his works are concerned, he worked on ancient works like Vedas and Puranas whose time precedes Silappadikaram and Manimekhalai by more than 3000 years.

Moreover Samskrith itself means refined, which proves that it is much more classical than tamil which is so crude that it does not even have separate consonants that makes it very difficult to express words whereas Samskrith can represent any word in any manner.

Samskrith has the richest vocabulary free from other influences unlike tamil which is directly influenced by the Samskrith and dravidian vocabulary. One thing more, for the kindest information for some know-it-alls, please do clarify your doubts through reference books and magazines from Archaeological department.

Before heightening your language, do not condemn other languages as it will show how insecured you are about your language and culture.

Lastly post any queries regarding this subject and ill clear all the misconception(which people here have a lot) then and there itself.