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12th December 2004, 08:33 AM
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Origin of Tamil
Topic started by Ananth (@ 203.94.237.130) on Sun Apr 4 09:25:44 EDT 2004.
Is Tamil language originated first or Sanskrit?
and What is the proof? Please reply me soon, it will be very kind of you..
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12th December 2004, 08:33 AM
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Idiappam (@ cach*) on: Sun Apr 4 11:45:54 EDT 2004
Dear Mr Ananth, before I give you 'proofs', please let if you a literate in Tamil. And do you know a little Sanskrit? That will make it easier to understand the 'proofs'!
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12th December 2004, 08:33 AM
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v (@ 203.*) on: Wed Apr 21 07:17:51 EDT 2004
sanskrit branched out of her mother Tamil by exploiting
and interpolating on the ayutha ezhuththu.Creating two intermediary
order of consonents.
If one can intelligently remove some of these order from sanskrit
words
and replace them with tamil consonents we are looking at the mother
of sanskrit that is Tamil.
Eg:agni-fire
in tamil it can be fit as :
Agani=Aga+ni
ni might be referral to godly attribute sacredity,and Aga-fire
(horrific).We can try to interprete sanskrit sentences by applying
this method to prove it is an offshoot of tamil.
With 12 vowels and one neuter which is called as "ayutha
> ezhuththu"and 18 consonents it is by far the first attempt to
> systematise a language into the structured format.
> vowels A long and short vowels.
> All the 18 consonents are in the first order.
> The neutar or the ayutha ezhuththu was at the predevelopmental
stage
> of a structured language but it was clearly defined.
> consonenets could change its order to second by merely placing it
> appropriate placve in the word.
> At the start of the word the consonent is in thefirst order
> Eg:tha-nneer-cold water.
> Any where inbetween it acquires second order.
> Egawna-ga-m-sweet water.
> At the end of the word it is in the second order.
> Egaw-gu-paw-du=discrminate.
> va-gu=(divide=split).
> The second orderof the consonent occuring in the middle and the end
> of the word can be reduced to first order by adding 1/2 sound of
> the same consonent before the consonent .
> Era-th-th-am-blood.
> pawr-pp-owm=let us see.
> paw-kk-u=beetel nut.
> Now we will see how the ayutha ezhuththu was exploited to produce
> sounds in sanskrit.
> ka-first order.
> kha-second order.
> ga=third order.
> gha-fourth order.
> The ha is not a consonent but a neuter or catalyst to produce
> intermediate orders.
> ayutha ezhuthu discovered by tamil helped later development of "ha"
> concept which sanskrit exploited .
> I personally feel Tamil was structured first in the world by the
> godlymen and is wholesome and complete dev bhasha and later
> developed so many languages as sanskrit.
the examples presented are put in tamil characters as follows:
´¼õ-flow,-pronounced as "odam"µð¼õ-run,flow again,but read
as "ottam"
In the first case the consonent '¼' is read as "da" since the same
occurs in the middle of the word so in the second order there can be
only two order of the consonents evn modern english exemplifies this
like:
p,b.
t,d.
c,j.
k,g.
h=is ha in sanskrit and ayutha ezhuththu in tamil.
most of others are combination consonents like f=p+h,
q=ku=k+u .
w=u+u
x=a+k+s
z=s+h+e+e.
À¡¸õ=part.Ka tranforms to Ga in the middle.
À¡ìÌ=beetle nut.here Gu gets reduced to 'ikku'
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v (@ 203.*) on: Wed Apr 21 07:19:39 EDT 2004
While it is getting systematically proved that the indian
civilization is the civilization of the dravidians (Blacks)and is in
continuation of World civilization of egypt, mesapatomia,china,india
and south america and that the earlier studies were Biased by aryan
concept and domination . The level of such bias is still felt with
some aryalogist in india even today trying to rewrite history in
thier favour contrary to the references in vedas,historical
evidences and are trying to establish white homogenity in india and
their superiority over blacks.
For the sake of primary information Following is put forth:
Aryan or Arya is derived from the root word AR/ARi Which in Tamil
MEans Light,knowledge,strange This WOrd refers to anything that is
strange scarce in that sense might have refered to by the dravidians
while they met white aryans.This also referred to a stock of
dravidian rulers as Arakkan=Rakhshas=arasan=raja=aiyan=aiya etc.
The term veda Comes from the root word vi-light,revelation,expose,
exclamatory.etc.vid/viyappu/vilangu/velichham,vengai(lion/king)ari
also mean king/lion.
RG ved is nothing but corruption of these two words:
Arya vid=Rya ved
Rg=ved=Strange Knowledge Or the Knowledge of the Brahman.For Brahman
Come From the root word Pira(alien)=viya(exclamatory)=piravi(birth).
Brahman is also represented Viyappu!!
Pleasem visit:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tolkaappiyar/
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v (@ 203.*) on: Wed Apr 21 07:20:49 EDT 2004
Ariya=Scarce, Arinthavan=with knowledge,Arivu=Knowledge
Thiruvidam=thiravidam=dravidam
thirumozhi=thiramozhi=thramizh=thamizh=tamil(today s slang)
thiruvidan=thravidan=dravidan.
Since white skin people where first contacted by the people they
might have coined this term arya/aiyaw(todays slang)
Arinthavan has nothing to do with the term arya neither it is noble
as posed in the context of arya.
In vedichistory@yahoogroups.com, "vraghavan26"
wrote:
> While it is getting systematically proved that the indian
> civilization is the civilization of the dravidians (Blacks)and is
in
> continuation of World civilization of egypt,
mesapatomia,china,india
> and south america and that the earlier studies were Biased by aryan
> concept and domination . The level of such bias is still felt with
> some aryalogist in india even today trying to rewrite history in
> thier favour contrary to the references in vedas,historical
> evidences and are trying to establish white homogenity in india and
> their superiority over blacks.
>
>
>
>
> For the sake of primary information Following is put forth:
> Aryan or Arya is derived from the root word AR/ARi Which in Tamil
> MEans Light,knowledge,strange This WOrd refers to anything that is
> strange scarce in that sense might have refered to by the
dravidians
> while they met white aryans.This also referred to a stock of
> dravidian rulers as Arakkan=Rakhshas=arasan=raja=aiyan=aiya etc.
> The term veda Comes from the root word vi-light,revelation,expose,
> exclamatory.etc.vid/viyappu/vilangu/velichham,vengai(lion/king)ari
> also mean king/lion.
> RG ved is nothing but corruption of these two words:
> Arya vid=Rya ved
> Rg=ved=Strange Knowledge Or the Knowledge of the Brahman.For
Brahman
> Come From the root word Pira(alien)=viya(exclamatory)=piravi
(birth).
> Brahman is also represented Viyappu!!
> Pleasem visit:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tolkaappiyar/
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telugu (@ 61.1*) on: Wed Apr 21 07:37:25 EDT 2004
Tamilis born out of Telugu
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12th December 2004, 08:33 AM
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v (@ 203.*) on: Wed Apr 21 10:01:56 EDT 2004
I would welcome that statement if you could substantiate it.Presently i can say that if you remove sanskrit words introduced by arya brahmins in andra from telugu vocabulary it is Tamil / Proto- tamil/Sumerian by whatever name you like to call it.
As i had posted above:
Ariya=Scarce, Arinthavan=with knowledge,Arivu=Knowledge
Thiruvidam=thiravidam=dravidam
thirumozhi=thiramozhi=thramizh=thamizh=tamil(today s slang)
thiruvidan=thravidan=dravidan.
Since white skin people where first contacted by the people they
might have coined this term arya/aiyaw(todays slang)
Arinthavan has nothing to do with the term arya neither it is noble
as posed in the context of arya.
Drop your hatred towards Tamils I have requested this to Tamils as well we Lack Unity and that is why the power is not with us.
Facts are all Favourable to Dravidians.Any person who is a resident in the four southern states should be proud to be a dravidian see rahul dravid he is the only pure dravidian.color should not matter.
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12th December 2004, 08:33 AM
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Nedunchezhiyan (@ 142.*) on: Thu Apr 22 12:25:07 EDT 2004
lOL...you people ..some of you have good knowledge but stop your bogus thing toward Dravidan came from Thituvidan! or calling Thamizhan as one of Dravidan or Thamizh as Tamil!
Dravidan came as described below:
After aryans encountered Thamizh civilization in now day so called South Asia. They asked the people who were Thamizhan..as who they are? The Thamizhars said: We are Thamizhar..but aryans who must have spoke prakrit or some form of language wasn't able to pronounce 'zha' which is only found in Thamizh language and it's only unique to Thamizh..so they called Thamizhan --> as Dramilan ---> which became as Dravidan.
Thamizhan --> Dramilan --> Dravidan.
Your foolish quote on saying Rahul Dravid is True Dravidan is wrong! Rahul from what I read is a half Thamizh and half Maharashtrian. Nevertheless it also look down from Thamizhan being Thamizhan as you bring the term Dravidan which was used by European and others to commonly call Thamizhars and their descends as 'Dravidan' which shouldn't have been done..I don't see why you can't call Thamizhar and their Descends as of the origin of Thamizhar or Senthamizhar! Perhaps even Thamizhan are proud to be so called corrupted term 'Dravidan' than being Thamizhan!
Oh and your Sanskirit evolution or exploited from Thamizh might be right..as lot of evidences points out that most of Sanskirit words are of Thamizh origin about 40% but from what some of you saying..it could be in fact that almost all words used in Sanskirit could be of Thamizh origin! Good job on that.
nanRi, vaNnaKkam ____/____ Thamizhare...
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ILoveTamil (@ cach*) on: Sat May 1 15:52:24 EDT 2004
Both languages grew up together and mixed frequently. As people left India, entered, or moved in and out, words and linguistic ideas mixed. There is no such thing as "aryan" or "dravidian".
All of us share an ancient tradition extending to the day's when Kanya Kumari was the center of civilization. In fact recent archaeology has proven that the lost "atlantis" was centered around Cape Comorin, and Sri Lanka is the remanent of a continent bridging Madagascar, Australia, South East Asia, and Tamil Nadu. When it was destroyed many people spread apart, but the "dravidians" remained closests to their mother civilizations. As "aryans" arrived back, they encountered a culture that was much like their origional civilization, and moved back to settled life from the nomadic exile they had held for so long.
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12th December 2004, 08:33 AM
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kal-k (@ 82-4*) on: Tue May 4 07:56:58 EDT 2004
does it matter?
its a fu##ing language..........
yeah but why aren't you guys making any claims like SANSKRIT can?
according to the NEASDEN temple they quote that SANSKRIT has 70 words for water which then amalgamate into 280 different words when added with a pre-fix..........
these 70 words have not been derived from anyother language........
so then how can TAMIL have HAD ANY influence over SANSKRIT and the north?
you have to remember that the BORDERS of ARYA-VARTHA reached up to SIBERIA and across most of INDO-CHINA.........
the old lands not the recent ones like ANGOR WAT etc......MOHENJO DARO and the INDUS are all new sites.....
the SARASWATI site shows a continous momentum of life from 5000 bc all the way back to 2 million years ago.....
which coincides with the time KRSNA was called RAANCHOD when he left the battlefield to warn his people of the civilisation due to melting ice caps and the flooding off the rivers........
and even that site isn't part of the old land so you can imgaine how big ARYA VARTHA really was...
can TAMIL make any claims like that?
if so please enlighten the world, if not be humbled by the power of SANSKRIT and stop fighting it and go with the flow.............
i am sure TaMIL is just as beautifully refined...
SANSKRIT has 70 words for water and 65 words for Earth.
when added with a prefix these words for water then amalgamate to 280 words !!!!
no language in the world has such qualities!!!!
jai hind
om chanted through tonoscope produces Sri Yantra!!!
the seven chakras alligned together give the same pattern as the spark that ignites life into a computer......................
see articles on OM through tonoscope listed below.....
http://www.hyattcarter.com/path_of_sound.htm
http://www.isibrno.cz/~gott/mandalas.htm
http://home.mweb.co.za/sa/samten/jenny.htm
now do you guys understand why the NAZIS and the west want to keep Aryanism downtrodden and hidden away as theirs?
it is the coolest and most laid back religion, and way of life there is available amalgamating as many realms as possible as one............
green comes from blue and yellow
yellow and pink make orange......
welcome to the Geometric hallucination......
MAYA.....
eat this and swallow your pride..............
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