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R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68*) on: Sat Dec 13 18:53:26 EST
TAMIL WORDS in other Languages
Global Linguistic-Scholars assert that several ancient Tamil words are found in not only in other Indian Languages but also in many world Languages like Greek, Latin, Hebrew, Mangolian, French, english and the like too.
Most of such words corroborate with the ancient Tamil-Literature and some in the present day usage also
In FRENCH:--
The word "TEA" is a French-word pronounced in French as "THAE" unlike the 'TEE" in English.
It is an adopted Tamil word to French... which means in Tamil as "SWEET- þÉ¢Â" and pronounced the same phonetics as of French as THAE "§¾".
In pure Tamil we call TEA .... as §¾ò-¾ñ½£÷- THAE-THANHNHEER.
"§¾ ÁÐÃò ¾Á¢§Æ¡¨º ¯Ä¸¦ÁÄ¡õ ÀÃ×õ Ũ¸ ¦ºö¾ø §ÅñÎõ".... says Bharathi.
In Hindi :--
The word ¸òÐ (Kathu) as found in Aathichoodi by Auvaiyaar .... "¸Ç×õ ¸òÐõ «È" means "CRUELTY" the Hindi word "KATHRA" meaning "Danger" and another word "KATHARNAAK" meaning 'Dangerous"... or "Cruel" have developed.
From this Tamil word ¸òÐ- KATHU another Tamil word ¸ò¾Ã¢ì§¸¡ø- "KATHARIKKOAL" meaning "Scissors" has developed.
In Bengali:--
In Bengali- Literature "Maegnath" by the Author Michale Madhusudan Dutta...
... in Bengali worded line: .... Athah konae... "ORINDHAM" ... morila bishaadhae...
... the Word "ORINDHAM - ´Ã¢ó¾õ" is an unusual and unknown word in Bengali. It is said that it is an adopted word from the Classical Tamil (¦ºó¾Á¢ú) not found in Sanskrit
Even though far from Tamil, Bengali is another Rich Language of India and the closest to Sanskrit, but highly UNIQUE in a different aspect unlike other North Indian Languages
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Rahul (@ 61.9*) on: Wed Dec 31 06:00:56 EST 2003
Spoken Tamil is very unique because it sounds just like pigs grunting.
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R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68*) on: Sat Jan 17 22:11:19 EST
¾£ó¾Á¢ú: Theen-Thamizh: (SWEET - TAMIL)
"¡õ «È¢ó¾ ¦Á¡Æ¢¸Ç¢§Ä ¾Á¢ú ¦Á¡Æ¢ §À¡ø þÉ¢¾¡ÅÐ ±íÌõ ¸¡§½ý ..."
.... said Mahakavi Bharathi...to mean... "Out of several Languages I know there is no Language as SWEET as Tamil... Not only Bharathi, several open-minded, unbiased foreigners too have accepted this fact
Tamil is named so because its phonetics are invariably light... with no harsh sounds like other Indian Languages as well as in Sanskrit ... such as KHA, GHAH, CHHA, THHA... series nor cluster of sounds like PRA, KLA, BDHA... series etc. as already detailed. These types of Sanskrit based phonetics can be pronounced only by raising the sound generated from the abdomen, shaking the whole body, which sort of strain is not necessary while we speak Tamil-phonetics which are generated from the Throat itself and not from below.
A few centuries back, some new letters were added to Tamil letters like (Ja),
(Sa), (Ksha), (Sree), (Ha) just to cope up with the phonetic-demands for using the Sanskrit names and such other indispensable terminologies deserving to be pronounced differently from the pre-existent Tamil letters. Even at such time of open-minded re-consideration by Tamil-Scholars, the Originality, Character and Beauty of Tamil by way of its Simplicity in pronunciation through avoiding more than one phonetic for ¸ (Ka), º (Cha), ¼ (Ta), ¾ (Tha), À (Pa) etc. has been maintained.
Purposively such unique linguistic character of Tamil has not been deviated and left unaltered because Tamil is a rich languaguage possessing adequate Vocabulary to stand on its own, with the least extent of demand for the import of words from other Languages, only in which case the linked phonetics at the source of the letter itself unlike the basis of English and Tamil where the different phonetics are developed by one and the same letter according to its placement.. Even in such cases such new alien-language words have been transformed true to the character and Basics of Tamil by means of Thadhbhavam mode. The object is not to complicate the phonetics and letters but to simplify the speech and writing.
Further there is an unusual letter Æ (ZHA) in Tamil, which light phonetic does not exist in any language nationally or internatiomally excepting Malayalam. This phonetic adds to Tamil's Sweetness. The word denoting the name of the language Tamil itself as ¾Á¢ú contains this softest phonetic as "ú" compared to any language considered in the aspect of sweetness.
Even the ITALIAN Language which is considered as the Sweetest Europian Language has become Sweet only because of its musical-phonetics caused by its nasal pronunciation.... as the case of Malayalam an Indian Language. But international scholars do not consider Malayalam the sweeter than Tamil, only because of its Sanskritised tough pronunciations similar to other Indian Languages except Tamil.
Global Linguistic Scholars assert that Sanskrit too as one of the Great Languages nationally and internationally but do not classify it under the sweetness but as the Royal-Language of command alongside its vast and ancient Vocabulary of its own far unique than Tamil.
Tamil is distinctly uncomparable with Sanskrit by way of characteristics and hence far different from other Indian Languages too (which are Sanskrit-based)... Thus its contra-distinctory Uniqueness by way of pronunciation is conspicuously noteworthy.
Åñ¼Á¢ú (VANDAMIZH): .... FERTILE - TAMIL
Tamil is named so because of its abundant vocabulary of its own independantly, being the most ancient amongst the Indian Languages as well as one amongst the International-Languages classified under this factor at par with Latin, Greek, Hebrew, Sumerian etc.
Several Tamil classical words of ancient Tamil-Literature are not found in any Indian Language nor even in any of the Global stream of Languages.
Vocabulary is measured by the extent of convenience to differentiate analtycally to the radical extent of Thoughts as for example... we differentiate in English.... between the words PULL and DRAG... Such analytical differentiation is the maximum in Tamil comparatively....
But one strange fact is... only about 40% of the ancient Tamil words we are using in even the present Tamil-Literature, while it is only between 25 % in the Spoken Tamil with the admixture of words from other Languages like Sanskrit, Persian, Portugese, Arab, Greek etc.... which are avoided as far as possible to the bare minimum in the Literal usage. So it may raise a doubt whether Tamil can really stand on its own. Yes, it can... provided such words hidden in the ancient Literature are brought out for common usage.
The amount of rich vocabulary in Tamil can be ascertained by comparison with other languages
For example in English we call WIND from all the directions by the same name as "Wind" only.
Whereas in Tamil for the Wind, it is different according to its Originating-direction.
Wind ... from the East, is called a ... ¦¸¡ñ¼ø... .......... KONDAL
.... do...... from West ................................ ÁÕ¾õ ..................... MARUTHAM
......do...... from North ................................ Å¡¨¼ ..................... VAADAI
......do........from South ............................. ¦¾ýÈø ................... THENRAL
In Sanskrit and some of the other Indian Languages there are different names for Wind from different directions but only for some of the directions and not all.
Similarly in English we say only one word common for all sorts of its function ... GIVE.
Whereas it is different .... by the Sense of Giving .... as...
¾¡ ........... THAA...................... Give...by Request on obligation
¦¸¡Î ....... KODU ................... Give... on Sale or Exchange by Barter.
ÅÆíÌ ..... VAZHANGU ........ Give.... Honourably and respectfully
«Ç¢ ....... ALHI ...................... Give.... Voluntarily .... unsought
® ............... YEE ....................... Give... Offer (Alms to Beggar) ... sought
þÎ ......... IDU ....................... Give... Offer as a duty
«Õû .... ARULH .................. Give.... Gracefully by God or any Superior.
To differentiate some of the Animals, Birds or such other Creatures on the basis of Gender, in English, it can be termed as Horse-Mare, Dog-Bitch, Lion-Lioness, Tiger-Tigress etc.
Whereas in Tamil, even for the other ordinary Creatures there are differentiating Gender-based terminologies like.... ¸Ç¢Ú - À¢Ê for Male-Female Elephant ....¿ñÎ - «ÄÅý for Male-Female Crab, »¢Á¢Ú - §¾É£ for Male-Female Honey-Bee ... it is needless to elaborate further. .
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R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68*) on: Sun Jan 18 10:50:01 EST
Corrigendum:
1. //..... only about 40% of the ancient Tamil words we are using in even the present Tamil-Literature, while it is only between ..... xxx 25 % xxxx.... in the Spoken Tamil with the admixture of words from other Languages like Sanskrit, Persian, Portugese, Arab, Greek ...xxx... etc....//
To be read as....
..... only about 40% of the ancient Tamil words we are using in even the present Tamil-Literature, while it is only between 25 % to 30% in the Spoken Tamil with the admixture of words from other Languages like Sanskrit, Persian, Portugese, Arab, Greek, English etc....
2. //...Simplicity in pronunciation through avoiding more than one phonetic....xxx... for ¸ (Ka), º (Cha), ¼ (Ta), ¾ (Tha), À (Pa) etc. has been maintained...... xxx .... //
To be read as....
Simplicity in pronunciation through avoiding more than one phonetic... at the Source of the letter itself (as already existed) .... for ¸ (Ka), º (Cha), ¼ (Ta), ¾ (Tha), À (Pa) etc. has been maintained, being the Unique Character of Tamil similar to English but unlike all other Indian Languages.
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Harish Kumar (@ 203-*) on: Sun Jan 18 12:15:15 EST 2004
I don't see how it is said kannada and telugu came from tamil.The presence of old tamil words in kannada is give as the proof.But for all you might know these words could be kannada words which tamil had borrowed ? How do you say if there are two identical words in kannada and tamil tamil was the giver and kannada was the receiver ?
So the word Pale as in Pale Kannada or Hale kannada is taken as a tamil word found in kannada and hence our srinivasans says tamil is the mother of kannada.
But Pale could actually be a kannada word , which was borrowed by tamil.
Kannada could have been the mother of of tamil , and kannada speakers must have borrowed more sanskrit words than tamils so kannada has more sanskrit words than tamil.
Think clearly.
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R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68*) on: Mon Jan 19 08:43:12 EST
//....Whereas in Tamil, even for the other ordinary Creatures there are differentiating Gender-based terminologies like.... ....¿ñÎ - «ÄÅý for Male-Female Crab, ......//
There is another school of opinion amongst the Tamil-Scholars that .....
The Crab is named by Three different words ...
¿ûÇ¢ (Nalhlhi) = Masculine Crab to say as ... ¿ûÇ¢ Åó¾¡ý
«ÄÅý (Alavan) = Feminine Crab to say as ... «ÄÅý Åó¾¡û
¿ñÎ (Nandu) = Neuter Gender to say as ... ¿ñÎ Åó¾Ð.
Such an unusual Linguistic facility by Gender-based difference, has been taken advantage of, to analytically describe the love-affair between the lovers amongst the crabs in the Tamil-Literature and another word in Neuter gender for the need of Common usage in Stories and Conversation.
From this example we can find that ....
.... such an emulative analytical facility of abundant vocabulary ....
.... to express radically true to anybody's Imagination and creative thoughts...
.... in a diverse Outlook .... varied Purposes ... and different Contexts...
.... has been unparallelly made available in this ...
.... RICH ... INDEPENDANT.... and.... CLASSICAL LANGUAGE TAMIL.
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R.Srinivasan. (U.S.A) (@ ip68*) on: Mon Feb 2 12:29:25 EST 2
English is considered as not only the most Update and Modern but also the most FERTILE-LANGUAGE possessing an abundant extent of Vocabulary amongst all the International languages in the cotemporary Global Society ....
Yes... Indeed... It is true....
But under this aspect ... in several cases ... Tamil is better equipped ... not only more than all the other Indian Languages ... but also amongst the International Languages too .... so to say... even more than English ...
Under this aspect of Vocabulary...
Further to the above-quoted Example of word to mean .."GIVE" ...
Let us see one more Example:-- Tamil Words to mean in English .. "ACCORDINGLY"
For the sentence ... I will do.... "accordingly"... in Tamil, it varies according to the context.
1. "Avvaarhae" :-- ¦¾Ã¢Â¡¾¨¾ò ¦¾Ã¢óЦ¸¡ñ§¼ý.... "«ùÅ¡§È".... ¦ºö¸¢§Èý.
When a student asks the Teacher on how to solve a problem.. or.. a stranger seeks guidance from any Guide .. or...in some such cases ... to learn or get to know more or get clarified.. all due to total or partial IGNORANCE OR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE .... In reply .. the other person clears the doubts as a reply.
In such cases the seeker accepts IGNORANCE and says ... I will do accordingly...
2. "Appadiyae" :-- ±ÉìÌò ¦¾Ã¢Â¡Å¢ð¼¡Öõ Òâ¡Ţð¼¡Öõ ¯í¸û ÅÆ¢ ²ü¸¢§Èý. ¿£í¸û ¦ºö¾¾ý / ±Ø¾¢Â¾ý ¿¸Ä¡¸§Å .... "«ôÀʧÂ".... ¦ºö¸¢§Èý....
The seeker agrees to COPY / IMITATE the same method of another person .. as .. DITTO.
3. "Avvidhamae" :-- þÐŨà §ÅÚ Å¢¾Á¡¸§Å¡ ¾ÅÈ¡¸§Å¡ ¦ºöÐ Åó§¾ý. þô§À¡Ð ¯í¸ÇÐ Á¡üÚ ÅÆ¢¨Âò ¦¾Ã¢óÐ ¦¸¡ñ§¼ý. "«ùÅ¢¾§Á"... ¦ºö¸¢§Èý.
Reply ... in agreement to perform on a CORRECTED METHOD...
4. "Anganamae" :-- ¯í¸û ¬¨½¨Â ²ü¸¢§Èý ... "«í¹É§Á"... ¦ºö¸¢§Èý.
In reply to a COMMAND ... either from a King or Ruler or any Superior or God ...
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jiva (@ 195.*) on: Wed Feb 18 16:55:00 EST 2004
Tamil is the only Indian language to be a hi
this is not strrictly a literary/etymyological analysis. so apologies. BUt
tAmil is national language in more than one country outside India
bengali-india and bangladesh
urdu-pakistan and india
tamil- india, sri lanka and singapore
hindi-india
hence tamil is the omly indian language is croses national borders
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