Drop sachin from Test Match

[selvakumar]

Do you think that Sachin , as a captain , has contributed better than Steve Waugh ? But the true Aussies that they are, they forced him to retire ( steve would have continued for another 1 year atleast ) . IMO, Steve is one of the greatest ever players in cricket history.
When players of Steve's class are being treated PROFESSIONALLY, why cant we apply the same yardstick to our great players also.

If I say this, I become a BASHER

Yes.. Sachin in not a successful captain when compared to even any young gun doing the same job !
Ofcourse.. Aussies replaced Steve.. But I can't understand your double standard for GANGULY AND STEVE.. You call STEVE's explusion as professionalism whereas the case of GANGULY AS injustice. Steve was DISGRACED with that.. GANGULY deserved such things since he was hanging like a lizard without doing anything. Atleast, SACHIN had a reason .. I mean fitness and he pulled him out manytimes. But GANGULY even with fitness, lacked technique etc and hanged on with his past glory.. That is why selectors prefer SACHIN all the time even though he is not as aggressive as he was in the past. But he is still consistent.. Wheras you can't expect the same from souvav atleast then. !

BTW, If u think SOURAV's expulsion is injustice, I am not sure what made u to coin STEVE'S EXPULSION AS PROFESSIONALISM.. Steve was degraded to the core just after the VB Series.. when the entire team failed and only STEVE was made as scapegoat !

IF we say this, You will bash us with words like BLIND PEOPLE, HERO WORKSHIPPING ETC..

[manuel]

Do you think that Sachin , as a captain , has contributed better than Steve Waugh ? But the true Aussies that they are, they forced him to retire ( steve would have continued for another 1 year atleast ) . IMO, Steve is one of the greatest ever players in cricket history.
When players of Steve's class are being treated PROFESSIONALLY, why cant we apply the same yardstick to our great players also.

If I say this, I become a BASHER

Accepted!!
Sachin was not a great captain :-- Great players need not necessarily be great leaders..... and he himself has accepted the fact that captaincy did not go well with him.

Not exactly -
Steve is one of the greatest player in cricket history - He definitely is a "GREAT" player in cricket history but not "GREATEST". The differrence between sachin and steve is quite big ..... Sachin is technically more correct batsman and could dominate any attack in any playing conditions.. this however cannot be said for steve waugh, what makes steve great is the application of his skills, mental toughness, lead the team from the front ...much like Rahul Dravid ...

Unlike steve Sachin has always played under tremondous pressure ..he has always carried huge expectations of a million people in our country which started right from his first series in 1989 ..continuously for so many years now ..... In contrast Steve's brother mark was the most favoured cricketer among the australians.. it took few years for steve to prove his worth in the australian team.

On another note -
If we say steve was a great captain .. what we often overlook is the fact that he was backed by some intelligent people i mean the Aussie cricket administrators & also their media which was with him through the thick and thins and it made things easier for him to work on ground and they could think of dropping him at a point and still go on to win the next world cup..
This is not so with indian cricket ..we drop some key player and we will be defated against bangladesh.

Whatever steve is, he has earned through his hardwork and commitment to the game where as sachin most of the cricket flambouyance is natural to him but he also managed to keep his focus on the game so may years .. Therefore when sachin retires he would be a legend and not just great player.

[Nakeeran]

Do you think that Sachin , as a captain , has contributed better than Steve Waugh ? But the true Aussies that they are, they forced him to retire ( steve would have continued for another 1 year atleast ) . IMO, Steve is one of the greatest ever players in cricket history.
When players of Steve's class are being treated PROFESSIONALLY, why cant we apply the same yardstick to our great players also.

If I say this, I become a BASHER

Yes.. Sachin in not a successful captain when compared to even any young gun doing the same job !
Ofcourse.. Aussies replaced Steve.. But I can't understand your double standard for GANGULY AND STEVE.. You call STEVE's explusion as professionalism whereas the case of GANGULY AS injustice. Steve was DISGRACED with that.. GANGULY deserved such things since he was hanging like a lizard without doing anything. Atleast, SACHIN had a reason .. I mean fitness and he pulled him out manytimes. But GANGULY even with fitness, lacked technique etc and hanged on with his past glory.. That is why selectors prefer SACHIN all the time even though he is not as aggressive as he was in the past. But he is still consistent.. Wheras you can't expect the same from souvav atleast then. !

BTW, If u think SOURAV's expulsion is injustice, I am not sure what made u to coin STEVE'S EXPULSION AS PROFESSIONALISM.. Steve was degraded to the core just after the VB Series.. when the entire team failed and only STEVE was made as scapegoat !

IF we say this, You will bash us with words like BLIND PEOPLE, HERO WORKSHIPPING ETC..

Selvakumar Sir

You havent read clearly where I wish Ganguly is continued - ITS FOR THE 1 DAYERS where even with a limitation on technique ( i mean the short pitched deliveries ) ganguly is still the champion & even was better than Sachin in 1 dayers.
DEFINITELY , NOT CONSIDERING GANGULY FOR 1DAYERS IS A CARDINAL SIN AS HE HAD THE STUFF TO GO UP TO THE WORLD CUP & PROBABLY 1 YEAR AFTER THAT & THEN LOOK FOR RETIREMENT.

When the question was posed on Kiran More as to why Ganguly was not considered - WE ARE LOOKING FOR YOUNGSTERS TO GROOM If that is the motto, then why even Sachin FOR 1 DAYERS . Let Sachin be considered for the tests .
LET SOME DESERVING YOUNGSTER BE GIVEN A CHANCE .

I dont mind even losing the worldcup without Sachin but EXPECTING SACHIN TO PERFORM AS A MATCHWINNER IN 2007 WORLD CUP MEANS THE SELECTORS HAVE TURNED A BLIND EYE

Definitely, a political game had been clearly played on Ganguly. He is the best ever captain we have had in our History & it was Ganguly who was instrumental in BRINGING A NEW LOOK INDIAN AGGRESSIVE TEAM WHICH WAS KILLED VIRTUALLY BY SACHIN

Coming to Steve's case :

When one of the greatest ever players in the history of cricket was treated LIKE ANY OTHER PLAYER - MR. WAUGH - PL HANG UP YOUR BOOTS was the gentle message given before the Indian series & he took sportingly eventhough he could have continued for atleast 3 years ( steve was 37 at that time ) .
THIS SHOWS THE LATERAL APPROACH OF THE AUSSIE SELECTORS WHILE INDIANS ALWAYS THINK EMOTIONALLY WHEN IT COMES TO GREAT PLAYERS
EXPECTING A MIRACLE

[Nakeeran]

[quote="manuel
Accepted!!
Sachin was not a great captain :-- Great players need not necessarily be great leaders..... and he himself has accepted the fact that captaincy did not go well with him.

Not exactly -
Steve is one of the greatest player in cricket history - He definitely is a "GREAT" player in cricket history but not "GREATEST". The differrence between sachin and steve is quite big ..... Sachin is technically more correct batsman and could dominate any attack in any playing conditions.. this however cannot be said for steve waugh, what makes steve great is the application of his skills, mental toughness, lead the team from the front ...much like Rahul Dravid ...

Unlike steve Sachin has always played under tremondous pressure ..he has always carried huge expectations of a million people in our country which started right from his first series in 1989 ..continuously for so many years now ..... In contrast Steve's brother mark was the most favoured cricketer among the australians.. it took few years for steve to prove his worth in the australian team.

On another note -
If we say steve was a great captain .. what we often overlook is the fact that he was backed by some intelligent people i mean the Aussie cricket administrators & also their media which was with him through the thick and thins and it made things easier for him to work on ground and they could think of dropping him at a point and still go on to win the next world cup..
This is not so with indian cricket ..we drop some key player and we will be defated against bangladesh.

Whatever steve is, he has earned through his hardwork and commitment to the game where as sachin most of the cricket flambouyance is natural to him but he also managed to keep his focus on the game so may years .. Therefore when sachin retires he would be a legend and not just great player.[/quote]

Manuel

You have done a nice analysis on Steve but pl remember that STEVE HAD PLAYED MORE MORE MATCH WINNING / MATCH SAVING KNOCKS .
If my memory serves right, MOST OF STEVE's CENTURIES HAVE BEEN EITHER MATCH WINNING / SAVING .
Its pure admiration towards our Sachin which makes us feel that others are secondary / ordinary mortals while SACHIN IS A GOD .

Steve was one of the most consistent batsmen in the world during his days & had proved time & again by scoring RUNS WHEN THEY WERE NEEDED THE MOST.

Pl dont forget that pre semi innings in 99 worldcup after Gibbs dropped a catch ! . Often his innings have decisively turned a match .

One factor which makes Sachin better than Steve was GRACE . While Sachin had all the shots in the book & looks very attractive , Steve was more of run accumulator which may not look that impressive from a connoseur's point of view but they were all worthy runs .

Mark was more classy when compared to Steve but Steve was gutsy & won more matches for Aussies than Mark. The ultimate average of Steve was higher than Mark

[Justice]

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[nilavupriyan]

another thing.....steve waugh captained a great team...but sourav made indian team a good team!

[selvakumar]

another thing.....steve waugh captained a great team...but sourav made indian team a good team!

No.. Nilavu... Steve had his own troubles. But he lead from the front. Just compare Mark Taylor's captaincy and Steve's.
Even GOD himself acknowledges that SW was always an inspiration for young minds like him.
Definitly After CLIVE, it is SW who is the best captain IMO and Sourav too got the inspiration from him. But he did it with his own style without following him exactly like Ponting !
P.S: just remember the innings of 1999 WC Semi Finals and SW's last match against India !

[nilavupriyan]

another thing.....steve waugh captained a great team...but sourav made indian team a good team!

No.. Nilavu... Steve had his own troubles. But he lead from the front. Just compare Mark Taylor's captaincy and Steve's.
Even GOD himself acknowledges that SW was always an inspiration for young minds like him.
Definitly After CLIVE, it is SW who is the best captain IMO and Sourav too got the inspiration from him. But he did it with his own style without following him exactly like Ponting !
P.S: just remember the innings of 1999 WC Semi Finals and SW's last match against India !

i just said abt the team selva...its after ganguly's captaincy we became a great team in one-days and won a test match in australia etc etc!...

steve waugh is always known for playing a captain's innings!wjho can forget his semifinal innings...awesome!

i just mean that its ganguly who helped shewag,harbaja,yuvaraj and kaif to play international matches...he formed a new team!

[manuel]

Steve like Rahul Dravid have played a lot of match winning innings, he has saved lot of test matches, have been involved in great partnerships in the history of cricket.

Aussies were quick in finding steve's skills and gave him the captaincy so he proved his worth....while rahul dravid had to wait for his turn (better late than never).

Whatever said and done Sachin is in a differrent league than other contemporary players like Steve, Inzamam-ul-haq and so on.

Steve at best, can be compared with Rahul Dravid and not with sachin.

[Justice]

Steve at best, can be compared with Rahul Dravid and not with sachin.

It should read this way "Dravid at best can be compared to S Waugh."