IR's New albums - Ver 2008

[raja_fan]

sadly, its this very population, that didnt understand the novelty (or didnt try to understand the novelty), talk ill more often and more louder than people who understand the novelty or atleast try to appreciate the novelty...kali kaalam sir

Happily I belong to this very population, which doesnt understand all your Kaambodhis,natabhairavi etc.
I respect your raaga knowledge, but if I had been knowledgable as you are, my life would have been spent in breaking the songs in to details, instead of tasting the beauty as a whole ! So no regrets

Also only this very population made IR a great celebrity, the simple ignorant people who just spent all their energy in tasting rather than peeping in to the kitchen on how the recipe is made etc

Whatever Kambodhi or Bhairavi is there, I still assert this song is just a rehash of Ejamaan song..

Even IR would not have thought about all this Raaga stuff for such songs ! Oru nimisham ucchanthalayai thottuttu harmoniathil kai vaippaaraam..avlo thaan avaroda effort
Michamellaam engalai pondra arivillaadha koottam paartthu kollum !

[thumburu]

judge, the reason why you felt "kallil uyir " resembled "VandhaaL mahalakshimiye" is due to Kalyani in both the songs although the former is a ragamalika. It starts with early morning raga Bowli from "pulargindra pozhudhu" and then from "KALLIL UYIR" upto most parts , in Kalyani. He introduces Hamsanandhi at the last 2 lines of pallavi and brings it back again in the 2nd charanam . The 2nd half of first charanam transits from Kalyani to Dharmavathi. The last portions of 2nd charanam just before "thathi tharikita" is in Vasantha. A great song marred by Sriram's faltered singing, very surprising for a trained carnatic whizkid to struggle even in easy ragas like Kalyani. I would blame Raja here for not retaking .
How I miss KJY here!!! But to alleviate my grief, he does an impeccable rendition in "agandhaiyil aduvadha"

[thumburu]

To identify a rotten apple, one need not have any music knowledge, just a pair of hearing ears is enough. wHETHER IT IS Natabhairavi or SindhuBhairavi, "Azhagi vara" is worser than a nursery rhyme, may be Raja's sound boy composed it.
Regarding the rehash of "thooku" song, it is easy to compose n songs with different scales with the similar sandhams like a formula. Raja has done it so many times . Take the case of "Chola vaLa naadu" set to Pahaadi scale which is simply a rehash of "pacha mala poovu" or "endhu paranjaalum" in Shankarabharanam scale. Even a lay person like me can use the same sandhams and retune in say a mohanam or Vasantha or some xyz scale. Idhu enna pramaadham?

[vel]

raja_fan and thumburu, excellent posts, very enlightening. thank you both for the brilliant insights into IR's capabilities. Goes to prove what i said.

[raja_fan]

Regarding the rehash of "thooku" song, it is easy to compose n songs with different scales with the similar sandhams like a formula. Raja has done it so many times . Take the case of "Chola vaLa naadu" set to Pahaadi scale which is simply a rehash of "pacha mala poovu" or "endhu paranjaalum" in Shankarabharanam scale. Even a lay person like me can use the same sandhams and retune in say a mohanam or Vasantha or some xyz scale. Idhu enna pramaadham?

I disagree !
Oruvar velai-yai paarthu, idhu enna pramaadham-nu ketkkaradhu easy. To do it is talent.

I can tell it is a rehash. But to rehash is IR's talent.

He has already told "Music is a cheating business", with examples from MSV's "Veedu varai uravu", "Pesuvadhu kiliyaa" etc.
Sari avare sollittaare, naamalum cheat pannalaamnu try panninaa appo theriyum...Avar avar thaan...naama naama thaan..

[dochu]

I didn't mean to belittle IR's efforts. It lacked novelty to ordinary people. As raja_fan said, it is these people that made IR the greatest and also has the capability to pull him down as well - which is quite evident now.

When annakili song came out, nobody cared about ragas or stuff - it was flowing like a honey in the ears to everybody.

Now, I think we cannot accept the fact that IR lost his charm, and hence trying to excuse ourselves by analyzing and finding things that can be worth to talk about from his music.

I am wondering, being IR fans, are we all 'sub consciously' doing that as we are yet to accept that his time is 'over' (which is not a bad thing either)?

[Sureshs65]

While 'Endu Paranjalum' is a retuning of 'Pacha Mala Poovu', the effect that he gets in 'Endu Paranjalum' is amazing. While it could be easy to use the sandam and come up with a new tune in a different raga which impacts you as powerfully as 'Endu Paranjalum' requires a genius. Love that song.

[rajasaranam]

முன்பு ராஜா ஒரு காட்டாறு! வழியில் இருந்தது எல்லாம் ஒதுங்கி கொள்ள 'ஜோ'ன்னு கொட்ற இசையருவி கீழ நின்னு அதை ரசித்தோம். இப்ப நிச்சலனமாய் கடந்து போகும் நதி! மூழ்கிதான் ரசிக்கனும். வேண்டாம் என்பவர்கள் கொஞ்சம் பின்னோக்கி போய் அருவியில் நனைய தடை இல்லை. நதியின் ஆழத்தையும் அமைதியையும் ரசிக்க நினைப்பவர்கள் இங்கு வரவும் தடை இல்லை.
இதில் உயர்வென்ன தாழ்வென்ன? என் அவா சிக்கிரம் அவர் கடலாய் சமுத்திரமாய் மாற வேண்டும் என்பதே. ஒரு பத்து பதினைந்து 'சிம்பொனி'களாவது அமைக்க வேண்டும், என் வாழ்வு தீர்வதற்க்குள் கடலாட வேண்டும்.

[app_engine]

nice analogy about "samudhram" rs

There were postings by many about the aruvi-ARu comparisons from time to time, including one by myself long back, but you've gone one step further!

[viraajan]

முன்பு ராஜா ஒரு காட்டாறு! வழியில் இருந்தது எல்லாம் ஒதுங்கி கொள்ள 'ஜோ'ன்னு கொட்ற இசையருவி கீழ நின்னு அதை ரசித்தோம். இப்ப நிச்சலனமாய் கடந்து போகும் நதி! மூழ்கிதான் ரசிக்கனும். வேண்டாம் என்பவர்கள் கொஞ்சம் பின்னோக்கி போய் அருவியில் நனைய தடை இல்லை. நதியின் ஆழத்தையும் அமைதியையும் ரசிக்க நினைப்பவர்கள் இங்கு வரவும் தடை இல்லை.
இதில் உயர்வென்ன தாழ்வென்ன? என் அவா சிக்கிரம் அவர் கடலாய் சமுத்திரமாய் மாற வேண்டும் என்பதே. ஒரு பத்து பதினைந்து 'சிம்பொனி'களாவது அமைக்க வேண்டும், என் வாழ்வு தீர்வதற்க்குள் கடலாட வேண்டும்.

Fantastic lines. I don't know how to type in tamil in this forum. Else i would hav replied in Tamil. Fantastic Wordings!!!