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**Sureshs65** · 27th May 2009, 08:37 AM

irir123,

'Kooda Varuviya' is a mixture of two ragas I think. I am not yet sure on the raga which opens this song. (Pahadi, Mohana Kalyani) but from the third line of the charanam ('Malarvanam Poo Poopadhum'.) onwards it turns in Kalyani (or Yaman, which is the Hindustani equivalent).

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**jaiganes** · 27th May 2009, 09:39 AM

Dont get me wrong...
Achadicha kaasa and Ennada Paandi
is my pick from the first listen. I am going bonkers with these two.
Then the next is 'thendralum marudhu' - Shreya can get certified as 'suththa thamizh ponnu' just based on the diction of this song.
who has sung Ennada paandi? andha aalukku en saarbil aayiram pon

**Sureshs65** · 27th May 2009, 09:48 AM

Jai,

You wrote what I wanted to write

I was listening to 'Ennada Pandi' and thought that it was one more feather in Raja's cap. BTW, it is Raja himself who has sung the song!! The song is a lovely 'pettai' or 'gana' song. The class of IR shines through and his grasp on various idioms is enviable. As rajasaranam had stated earlier, this is authentic 'gaana' (The only song which comes close to this is from IR's unreleased movie, 'Kaathal Jaathi'. That has a lovely gaana type song, 'Anne Anne'). Both the songs mentioned by you are in a loop.

**Sureshs65** · 27th May 2009, 10:04 AM

Reg 'Thenralum Marudhu', rajasaranam had earlier said that this song reminds him of Raja's Mallu songs and I too think the same way. The way synth is used in this song and the way the tune develops is very similar to songs like, 'Punnara Poo' from Friends (Malayalam). I like this song too. As a whole Valmiki is very satisfying with every song being top class.

**raja_fan** · 27th May 2009, 11:23 AM

Watch "Ennada paandi" along with the trailer in youtube. Fitting well for the film..

**raagas** · 27th May 2009, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by krish244

Originally Posted by raagas

I am yet doubtful abt Kooda varuviya song. Is it really Bela Shinde and not Shreya Ghoshal? Or was it a printing mistake on CD.

Was it Bela Shinde in Nannavanu's "Mutthamma"? If yes, then she sounds totally different in Kooda varuviya.

Raagas, Bela Shende's voice is a mix of Sadhana Sargam and Shreya Ghoshal. Her voice has the sweetness of Shreya's voice in most ranges and in some ranges (especially high pitches), she sounds like Sadhana (with a tint of Shreya's voice). You can listen to all her songs (for Yuvan in some movie, for IR in "Unakkulle" song in Dhanam, etc.). For lot of reasons, Shreya is still my favourite, but Bela is trying to catch up. She needs to certainly catch up on pronunciation.

Yes, her style of singing in Nannavanu makes it sound different and little nasal too.

thanks,

Krishnan

I now remember, Bela Shinde sang a wonderful song for ARR in Jodha Akbar called "Manmohana". Yes, she does sound like Shreya Ghoshal... infact i mistook that Manmohana was by Shreya Ghoshal when i first heard it. Ilaiyaraaja has used her voice very well in Kooda Varuviya. Exceptionally good composition.

**raagas** · 27th May 2009, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Sureshs65

Hulk,

Udit Narayan's Kannada pronunciation is atrocious. For 'Naa Jothege' (should mean something like 'along with me') he says 'Nachi Dekhe' (which in Hindi means, 'You dance, let me see'

Horrible.

This is one area in which Ilaiyaraaja disappoints me now and then... though not always - Singer Selection. I am all the more shocked that he choose Udit Narayan, who doesnt know the language. Yes, he took Asha Bhonsle and Shreya Ghoshal too, who never knew the language, but the way he made them sound was excellent. Here he completely disappointed.

**Sureshs65** · 27th May 2009, 11:33 AM

raagas,

Maybe he took Udit Narayan on request from the producer / director since Udit Narayan is a very famous name in Kannada music nowadays. I can't understand why but that is the truth

**rajasaranam** · 27th May 2009, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by jaiganes

who has sung Ennada paandi? andha aalukku en saarbil aayiram pon

Neenga Aasaipatta maathiri Raaja aduththa Non-Filmy Album Pannumbdthu antha Aayiram Ponnayum avarkittaye koduthudunga

**raagas** · 27th May 2009, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by ananth222

Originally Posted by kiru

Of late, you can see the new songs of IR shows a conscious attempt to provide new "rhythm arrangements".

"Of late"? What about "abbani theeyani"? "Nila adhu vaanathumele"? "Maasi maasam"? "Kaattu kuyilu"?
All this talk abt "new sound" and "new rhythm" is balderdash. its all been done before, even before IR. What is important is whether the song is good when the tune, rhythm, orchestration, voice, lyrics etc come together.

from one perspective.. I agree.. But then..i dont think it is completely false. there has always been that 'new sound' advent in Indian films. And i dont credit only ARR for new sound in the complete history of film music. It is equally applicable to other trendsetters too. Naushad gave a new sound in his days. R.D.Burman gave a new sound (and kind of inculcated the sound sense too). Ilaiyaraaja too gave a new sound, breaking many then existing cliches. And later ARR brought a new sound.It doesnt mean new 'Music', as IR often defines it.it doesnt mean that the 'change' is in same dimension too.The 'new sound' is just the demarcation between how things were and how things are. Ilaiyaraaja too did that.So i dont think its complete nonsense.