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2nd April 2005, 01:55 AM
#1
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Great THAMIZH - ISAI !
There are several factors to ADVOCATE as Tamil-Isai is the GREAT ... and UNPARALLEL ...
What are they?
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2nd April 2005 01:55 AM
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2nd April 2005, 10:52 AM
#2
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As long as the song is in Praise of Hindu Gods,i'll listen to them and like them in any language.
Tamil Isai can be used to propagate principles of our religion to all people.It should be used to inculcate Bhakthi in Tamil Nadu and this will take TN people closer to God.
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2nd April 2005, 08:32 PM
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"viggop"
// As long as the song is in Praise of Hindu Gods,i'll listen to them and like them in any language..... Tamil Isai can be used to propagate principles of our religion to all people.It should be used to inculcate Bhakthi in Tamil Nadu and this will take TN people closer to God //
Music ... is an Art... COMMON TO WHOLE HUMANITY.. without any Barrier of Religion, Caste or even Nationality...
That is the Spirit with which a Christian... Dr. Jesudass took interest to learn Music and became a Musician...
Mr.Jon-Higgins... a Christian American... came to India... exclusively for learning Carnartic-Music... and became a full-fledged Musician..
Sri Vedanayakam-pillai ... a Christian... learnt Carnatic-Music... became a KEERTHANA-COMPOSER... and composed several Tamil Keerthanas... as Common-Lyrics applicable to any God of any Religion....
... For Example... "Arulh purivaay... Karunhai Kadalae"... in Hamsadhwani... used to be sung by all the Musicians including MSSubbulakshmi.
He has also composed Tamil-Keerthanas exclusively in the name of Jesus-Christ....which took part in the concerts of several Non-Christian musicians .. including Ariyakudi, DKPattammal, MS and others....
There are also Gramophone-records of such songs too.
For example...the Tamil-Keerthana... in the name of Jesus-Christ... Gramophone-Record by DKP....
"Chiththam yeppadiyoa? Aiyaa vun..... KARTHTHANAE ..Nee yennai kaividuvaayoa?".
Music is for Common-Pleasure of one and all the Creatures... including the Global Human-beings ...
Only with such a HEARTY-SPIRIT...Sangeetha-Rasikas enjoy music without any parochialism nor unfair discrmination
That was the basis... for allowing Dr. Jesudas as well as Dr. John- Higgins... who were honourably given the Dais ... during Thyagaraja- Aradhana Festival... right at the front of Swamy Sannidhi itself.
Music also IMPROVES Soul-power... because of Bhakthi-sense induced in the Lyrics... coupled with the Subtle-Art...
Because MUSIC is capable of EASY-REACH to the Soul too...apart from the Hearers- MIND according to the proven Scientific- Research.
Most INVALUABLE TREASURE is.. Time.
Spend it MEANINGFULLY Spread effectively.
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6th April 2005, 06:14 AM
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How Thamizh-Isai is GREAT ?
(1) SWEET : Because Two Sweets are mixed together .. How?
Non-Tamilian Foreigners say that the Tamil is a SWEET Language... because its Phonetics are the lightest than any other Language...
So to say.. there is no tough Pronunciation due to Complex-Letters like.. Pra... Kya.. Shta...etc. in Tamil.
As also No Harsh sounds... like Kha, Gha, Chha, Jhaha, Thha, Ppha.. etc.
Thirdly the pronunciation is simple and easy... such that ... any Foreigner or even any Child find it easy to learn Tamil-Lyric... faster than those of other Languages.
Music is anyhow Sweet for anybody... so when both are inter-twined... it develops a soothing Song... even for a Non-Tamilian...
For example... one German Tourist .. who visited India... in 1952, heard in the Radio... the Tamil Song ...
... "Vaanaththin meedhu Mayilaada kandaen" (Å¡Éò¾¢ý Á£Ð Á¢ġ¼ì- ¸ñ§¼ý :-- THIRUVARUTPA- Poem of Arutprakasa Valhlhalaar Sri.Ramalinga Swamihalh) sung by MS Subbalakshmi ...
Immediately he jumped with Joy...saying ...Ah! it is so Enchanting and Mellifluous... not only the Music but also its soft- words... I am an International Tourist who have travelled not only all over the world but also almost the whole of India too.. and heard the Songs in various foreign and Indian Languages... as well....
...But comparatively... such a best combination of two sorts of Sweets by ... Language plus Music.. I am hearing only Now ... in the Tamil-Songs.
And he ordered 100 Gramophone Records of the Song... and took with him to Germany for presenting to his Relatives and Friends there.
... even though of an Unknown Language to all of them.
...To Continue....
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8th April 2005, 07:47 PM
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Tamil Isai (music) is not just in the Language! Something more in there! Mr Sudhaama - can you guess what they are???
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8th April 2005, 09:43 PM
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Idiappam
I do not understand your question fully but is it devotion to God that you are talking about?
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13th April 2005, 11:26 PM
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The popular 'Carnatic music' is just about 250 years old! At least, that's what you hear in concerts - songs of the Trinity, a couple of thousand songs - sung over and over again and again by ALL artists - starting with 'Vathapi ganapathim', then 'Ramanee samana mevaru', then 'mariyatha kathura' then 'varamu lasaki'.
Aiyaiyo samy - the same story every concert.
Tamil songs (and even Purandaradasa's kanada songs) are classified and humiliated -'thukadas' and 'sillarai' sung as the last one minute piece at the end of Concerts, that on the average lasts two hours.
There is nothing new anymore in Carnatic music no longer. What's Tamil Isai?? Why is 'carnatic music' and infertile offshoot of Tamil Isai?? What existed before the Trinity?? Who coined the word 'Karnataka Sangeeth' - and when?
What are ploys these Carnatics used to bewilder the ordinary man to keep him away from music? The Melakartha?? What's happening? And what happened??
We have to study the 'carnatic music' closely to seek answers to these questions. More coming up.... But, meanwhile - any questions anyone??
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14th April 2005, 12:19 AM
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Mr. Idiappam,
Good... Interesting presentation... although some points are disputable...
The word Karnataka .. has nothing to do either with the so called Trinity... nor any such Vagkeyakara (Composers)... nor even the so called state Karnataka...
Nor as per our Tamil Colloquival sense......" Hae.. this man is a Karnaatakam ..."
... by which we mean in Tamil... "Paththaam-pasali".../ Kattai-vandi type / Out-dated...
But in fact..."Karnataka" ... means... ANCIENT... in Sanskrit.. which word has been adopted in Tamil and all other Indian Languages too.. in that good healthy sense only..
Mr. Idiappam... please continue and complete whatever you want to say in totality.. No doubt you have some sensible points...
. .on which... I will reply after your full postings..
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14th April 2005, 03:15 AM
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Mahashtran King Someswara III (1127-1139 AD) ruled a small kingdom, just north of Karnataka. His interest in music brought him to the southern music world. He called it Karnataka Sangita - as that was the name of the place south of where he ruled. His writing - Manasaollase - probably on music (I don't know). The music in the South was none, but Tamil Isai. So, the label Carnatic Music was stuck on was was then Tamil Isai.
But how did 'Carnartic music' come to ignore Tamil music compositions prior to the Trinity. The Trinity: 1. Thiyagaraja (1767 - 1847) 2. Shyama Sastri (1726 - 1827) 3. Muthuswamy Dikshitar (1776 - 1835).
All three born in Thiruvaarur, Tamil Nadu. Learnt Tamil Isai. Thiyagaiyer composed in Telegu, Sastri sang in Telegu and Tamil, Muthuswamy in Sanskrit.
What compositions were there in Tamil before these Trinity?
Theruvil vaaraanO - ennai satRE
Thirumbi paaraanO
---- Muthu Thandavar (1600 AD)
Kaalai thooki nidradum theivame - enai
kai thooki aal theivame
---- Marimuthu Pillai (1712 - 1787)
ArO ivar ArO - enna
pErO aRiyEnE!
---- Arunasala Kaviraayar (1711 - 1779)
These earlier Trinity were deliberately ignored in concerts even when the extent of their works run in multiples of what the later Trinity had done - why?? Because they composed only Tamil??
What Tamil compostions have these three to their credit? Who are the other Tamil composers of this period. We will see later.
While gathering them all, I think I should listen to D.K. Pattamal's voice - "Eppadi paadinaro?" at this site. You too, Mr Sudhaama!
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/l/1/...2298/artist.4/
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14th April 2005, 08:05 AM
#10
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DKP's eppadi paadinaro is excellent.It was composed by Gopalakrishna Bharathi.
I read that Muthu Thandavar sang one song per day in Chidambaram temple.But alas,only 60 songs is available now,i think.
Most of his bhakthi songs on Lord Nataraja is gone
The present day singers just sing what was taught to them by their gurus.Of course,they sing with a lot of devotion which is why God is with them.
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