Maestro Ilaiyaraja New Albums 2011 - Hello Jaihind / Sri Rama Rajyam

[rajasaranam]

VS will not feature in these discussions becos he doesn't have a style of his own. He Imitates MSV or Raaja mostly. Agreed that Yuvan is over-rated sometimes but can't agree on VS being under-rated. his rating is right as to his caliber!

[raagas]

The Sad state of affair is that the Audio Company has not yet been finalized for 'Ponnar Shankar' They had a release function on that date since Mu.kA will get busy with Election campaign later. I heard the banner is almost finalized and we will get the audio out in the market in a couple of days!
can't wait 'RELEASE THE AUDIOOOOOOOOO....'

This means there was an audio release... without the release of the audio.

Personal opinion: This is RIDICULOUS!

[raagas]

VS will not feature in these discussions becos he doesn't have a style of his own. He Imitates MSV or Raaja mostly.

Hmm.. Interesting RS.
Do all IR fans really avoid IR-VS comparisons just because he doesnt have a style of his own? Or are they condoning VS because he imitates Raaja (& MSV) and are always ready to aim at ARR/Yuvan just because they dont imitate Raaja? If yes, then it looks as if "imitating Raaja" is the sole certification needed by composers today, to escape the wrath of IR fans. If No, then there could be some other reason right?
Also, it is not just abt VS alone but atleast dozen composers out there, in all the south-indian languages, who somehow never get to face the wrath of IR fans, whatever their quality of music is.

[jaiganes]

Please - can we all get back to discussing IR's albums alone?
Right now the interludes of "Adiye Ivale" have me in "loop mode".
After Balesh's interview which had some detailed references to how "Naayanam" and "shehnai" are being used,
The interludes of this song are case in point. The nadhaswaram play in this song - has to be true to the context of "kovil thiruvizha" and yet be something
new as far as creativity is concerned - result is an interlude that doesnt do too much of "melody playing" but straight forward robust playing that puts you right into
the milieu..

[prasad_subbu]

baroque,

It is true that ARR gave some good classical composiition. My only problem with his composition is, I feel it have traces of earlier work. For example

Kismat me - have the traces of "Sonnadhu Needhaana". In place where Jaanam ab na choodenge will have higher degree of resemblence.
Hone Hone pyar lage(words may not be exact) - 1947 earth - have a good resemblence of "Andhru orunaal Aanandha tirunaal" - This will have exact match at "Padi Vizhigal moodi kidhanthaen".
"Vidukathaiyaa En Vazhkai" from Muthu - Resembles "Ullathil Nalla Ullam" from Karnan.
"Kanoodu Kanbadellam" from jeans resembles "Singara Vellanne Nee Vaa"
"Neetru keta paadal"(words may not be exact) from Azhagiya Tamizh Magan has traces of "Aagaya Vennilavae Arungarum vellai thaano"

There are many more if you think about it. I think sometime back you mentioned resemblence of "Kuruku Siruthavale" and "Nallavarkellam Saatchigal Undu" from Tyagam.

My observation is Rahman generally observes when given a situation to compose, who has done the best in the similar situation in past. He tries to draw lines parallel to that there by having this resemblences. While his execution is perfect, his conception of a tune I feel is not from scratch. Does not mean he copied, it is like derived class(for software professionals), which will have baseclass attribute but new stuff added too.

The same approach of Rahman is ensuring success for him in all languages. Proabably he looks at the work of musicians on that arena and take it from there.
His recently Oscar nominated song "If I Rise" I feel is Parallel line to "Enya's" type songs.

[baroque]

Rahman's classical compositions carries Indian classical music gamaka proyogam.

I don't think Rahman is thinking or doing whatever you assume.

Whatever....
anyway.... this is IR thread, let it get back.


Vinatha.

[jaiganes]

baroque,

It is true that ARR gave some good classical composiition. My only problem with his composition is, I feel it have traces of earlier work. For example

Kismat me - have the traces of "Sonnadhu Needhaana". In place where Jaanam ab na choodenge will have higher degree of resemblence.
Hone Hone pyar lage(words may not be exact) - 1947 earth - have a good resemblence of "Andhru orunaal Aanandha tirunaal" - This will have exact match at "Padi Vizhigal moodi kidhanthaen".
"Vidukathaiyaa En Vazhkai" from Muthu - Resembles "Ullathil Nalla Ullam" from Karnan.
"Kanoodu Kanbadellam" from jeans resembles "Singara Vellanne Nee Vaa"
"Neetru keta paadal"(words may not be exact) from Azhagiya Tamizh Magan has traces of "Aagaya Vennilavae Arungarum vellai thaano"

There are many more if you think about it. I think sometime back you mentioned resemblence of "Kuruku Siruthavale" and "Nallavarkellam Saatchigal Undu" from Tyagam.

My observation is Rahman generally observes when given a situation to compose, who has done the best in the similar situation in past. He tries to draw lines parallel to that there by having this resemblences. While his execution is perfect, his conception of a tune I feel is not from scratch. Does not mean he copied, it is like derived class(for software professionals), which will have baseclass attribute but new stuff added too.

The same approach of Rahman is ensuring success for him in all languages. Proabably he looks at the work of musicians on that arena and take it from there.
His recently Oscar nominated song "If I Rise" I feel is Parallel line to "Enya's" type songs.

I donno but even Raaja does the same. "Using a reference" and constructing something new on top is nothing new in creative fields.
Classic Example - If you had listened to "Maayakkannaadi" songs which come with the "composing session" bit,this is how it unfolds.

Raja: Oru basic love feel thaan illaya?
Cheran: aamam.
Immediately Raja begins to hum "Poongaathu thirumbuma tune" and does Sa Pa and from there lands up in "Konji Konji".
I wouldnt be surprised if ARR does something similar. It is done primarily to get the mind tuned in and if it carries the original inspiration
along - it doesnt mean someone is lesser creator.
Cant you see "naan paarthadhile aval oruththiyai thaan" in "pudhu maappiLLaikku"?
As far as carnatic bonafides are concerned, when necessity comes , every music director will be pushed to create a carnatic song.
ARR in his early days has done some real carnatic gems too - "EnnavaLe" and "Naru mugaye" are no less carnatic gems.
If we are bothered about quantity, we know how ARR is selective and this automatically rules out "quantity" argument.
Lets get back to enjoying discussing or discussing about enjoying Raaja's music ..

[MumbaiRamki]

Went to landmar today .. Ponnar shankar hasnt come yet !

[raagas]

ya ya..lets get back from digressions! the audio release fiasco of ponnar shankar is frustrating. Pch..

[skr]

Seekarama release pannanga pa