The Greatest Indian Epic - Mahabharath

[Raghu]

When there is only one Atma, where is the question of ur atma and my atma that brings thoughts from previous life?

Dear Pradheep,

Atma transmigrate from body to body till it attains mukti. in the process of transmigrating it carries it karma with it, correct, now thoughts are part of the karma right?, so logicaly it would sense, that thoughts which comes in ur dream which are not related to the karma of your current body, are thoughts carried forward from ur last life?, correct?

[Idiappam]

Tat Tvam Asi =??
Tat =??
Tvam =??
Asi = ??

Should it not be Tvam Tat Asi?? Just curious!

[Sudhaama]

Dear Mr "Idiappam"

// Tat Tvam Asi =??
Tat =??
Tvam =??
Asi = ??

Should it not be Tvam Tat Asi?? Just curious! //

The Overall-meaning will not change, nor become different... even if the order of the words are changed.

[EdenWoods]

Raghu wrote:

Atma transmigrate from body to body till it attains mukti. in the process of transmigrating it carries it karma with it, correct, now thoughts are part of the karma right?, so logicaly it would sense, that thoughts which comes in ur dream which are not related to the karma of your current body, are thoughts carried forward from ur last life?, correct?

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This is just a belief, is it not? (I a not questioning the value of this belief). There are others who do not have this believe, or believe completely different things. Is belief equal to truth, even if a million people say so? (I am aware that this question can be asked to the adherents of other beliefs too..).
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Merely believing that belief is truth, or the only truth, is harmless as long as we approve of the the right of the others to believe similarly. Harmony is possible withe many such abosolutist beliefs going around. Only violence through which some want to enforce his/her belief as truth will destroy the harmony. This is applicable to all believers who believe i mysticism, mystic phenomena, or versions of religious truth.

[EdenWoods]

Raghu wrote:

Atma transmigrate from body to body till it attains mukti. in the process of transmigrating it carries it karma with it, correct, now thoughts are part of the karma right?, so logicaly it would sense, that thoughts which comes in ur dream which are not related to the karma of your current body, are thoughts carried forward from ur last life?, correct?

.
This is just a belief, is it not? (I a not questioning the value of this belief). There are others who do not have this belief, or believe completely different things. Is belief equal to truth, even if a million people say so? (I am aware that this question can be asked to the adherents of other beliefs too..).
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Merely believing that belief is truth, or the only truth, is harmless as long as we approve of the the right of the others to believe similarly. Harmony is possible with many such absolutist beliefs going around. Only violence through which some want to enforce his/her belief as truth will destroy the harmony. This is applicable to all believers who believe in mysticism, mystic phenomena, or versions of religious truth.

[Raghu]

When there is only one Atma, where is the question of ur atma and my atma that brings thoughts from previous life?

Dear pradheep,

No I don't believe in one Atma, there is Paramatma, which contains many billions of atma's, is this not explained in Gita???

pls enlighten me, if I am wrong, thanks

[pradheep]

No I don't believe in one Atma, there is Paramatma, which contains many billions of atma's, is this not explained in Gita???

Dear Raghu
where in Gita is there about many atma's. There are many bodies (forms), but one Atma. Atma (consciousness) is in manifested and unmanifested state. What we see through brain is the manifested |(awareness) and there is the unmanifested aspect. Manifestation is in many forms. The illusion (maya) is that there are many atma's but there is only that one Param-atma. This is the meanignof the song in thirumandiram-marathai maraithathu maa-matha-yanai...and same is the meaning of ponnai maraithathu ponannai poodanam...

If you say Atma are many, then atma becomes an object.......Atma is not an object. Sorry your belief is questionable and we can discuss. If this maya is cleared then you get the self knowledge. But you will know only when there is an end to ego-awareness. So Raghu understand the Maya get out of it.
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[pradheep]

Should it not be Tvam Tat Asi?? Just curious!

Dear idiappam,
read thirumandiram 2288 - pinnai ariyum .....
which says only when the ego-awareness ends the self is known. So tat is important and not tvam. There is no maya about the Tvam |(ego|) but on Tat and asi. So Tat is given the priority. Wealready have the "I" notion. All the scriptures talk about renouncing this "I" , then when that is acheived how can again the "I| be talked first?. Can you understand this?.

[Surya]

Pradeep,
Thanks for the responce.

About the Atma being dual etc.

Aren't there differnet beliefs about that in Hinduism itself?

Duaitham, and advaitham?

[pradheep]

Duaitham, and advaitham?

Yes. There are. It is based on how the truth is explained. But even in duaitham, the truth is only advaitha.