The Golden Era of Dr.IR and Dr.SPB

[balaji]

App

Excellent Songs; Apptly complemented with excellent write up...

Awards are given the following year and hence the article might have the said the award in 84 (instead of saying it is for 83)

Anyways, IR, SJ and SPB richly deserve any music related award in the world.

In word CLASSIC!!!

Thanks
bala

[kiru]

Plum/Genesis - good discussion. It is very difficult to capture the nuances of one language in another language. Even Tagore regretted Geetanjali translation. I do not like TIS translation that much, even though I think it is a good attempt. In movies, pazhassi rAja, lyrics or kaalapani lyrics sound much better in malayalam. That is why I try to learn other languages (not very successfully). I envy you guys enjoying 'sundara telungu' lyrics.
Re: college/food stories - no objection..only acceptance/appreciation from me. That egg recipe was called 'podi mass' in college of engg. guindy (CEG). I just lived on that+ rasam and curd/sugar for lunch. Hated the sambar there. breakfast was 'bread omellete' - just egg/bread/salt/pepper. good/better than the paste of a pongal. Saw 'nayagan' both tamil and hindi versions being shot in CEG, apart from many other movies.
I liked the description of 'sukhAnubhavam' for that song - what would that word be in chaste tamil (?).

[Plum]

Kiru, i said perils of dubbinh in my very first post.
I really don't know why I am repeatedly inundated with " you know plum it is difficult to translate".
When did I say otherwise?

[KV]

A gentle, hushed humming with just a bass guitar keeping company. Then, a momentary silence. The song then softly blossoms, like a tender flower. Divinity is thy name, Raaja.

Plum, I kinda see why the 'discussion' rubbed off on you the wrong way. PesAma, pudhusa oru thread 'lyrical challenges in dubbing songs' nu open pannIdalAmA? Neenga anga vandhu kavignar ezhudhina dubbing/lifted songs paththi eduththu vudunga (adhdhaan appo Veda, TR Paapa lAm irundhAngale.. sure must be some suttufied songs with kavignar's varigal, illa?). KammAn tiger!

[app_engine]

nanRi balaji & kiru

& kiru, I'm glad that some of your college memories got stirred up

Reg, sukhAnubhavam's Thamizh - one has to think about it. Malayalam (sanskrit) came automatically to mind and to the post...

[Plum]

KV, my critique of Thakita Thadhimi was least about the challenges of dubbing a song.
thirumba thirumba adhai thAnE solREn?

Me: This song doesnt even fall under lip-sync as lip-sync was not used. So, there was no dubbing constraint on VM. He failed to use this advantage to reflect the spirit of the original.


See how people have been refuting this:
1.
Gen: Becausee of lip-sync constraint, dubbing songs cannot be good as original hence thakita thadhimi didnt shine in tamizh lyrics

Me: Eh? nAn enna sonnEn. nee enna solRa? indha
pAttula dhAn lip-sync illaiyE adhanAla dhAnE pAttu failed to translate the spirit of the song despite not having the constraint

Gen: indha pAttukku lip-sync thEvai illai because of long shots and rain shots

Me: allOv indha Pattukku lip-sync thevainu nAn eppO sonnEn. edhukku idhukku lip-sync thevai illainu ennai pArthu solrApla? nAna sonnadhaiyE thiruppi sollittu ennai contradict paNdra mAdhiri oru thenAvattu vERa

Gen: dubbing pandrache pAttu sidhaiyaradhu jagajam

Me: adhu dhAn nAn modhallEyE sonnEnE. idhu andha normal dubbing case illainu sollittu dhAne arambichEn. ennayyA purinjukkaringa?

Gen: (Drops all previous defences) enakku telugu culture theriyAdhu. VM-kum theriyAdhu. adhAn borderla ooduruval nadandhirichu
Me: idhai thAnE nAn modhallEyE sonnEn. appO ennatha nInga modhallErundhu contradict paNNApla?

Idhukku pEru discussionA?

[app_engine]

Plum,
On a dipperent song, i.e. mounamAna nEram (hardly any lip sync, "idhazhil mounangaL"), how do the lines compare?

[Plum]

mounamaana neram is not bad at all on lyrics but not on lyrical flourish (i.e.) sonorous words fitting the tune but that is the power of Telugu so VM not at fault

[Bala (Karthik)]

Gen: (Drops all previous defences) enakku telugu culture theriyAdhu. VM-kum theriyAdhu. adhAn borderla ooduruval nadandhirichu
Me: idhai thAnE nAn modhallEyE sonnEn. appO ennatha nInga modhallErundhu contradict paNNApla?

Idhukku pEru discussionA?

And WTF was that about the Chiranjeevi movie? Is he a brother/alter ego of someone who has been terrorizing the hub?

P.S: Fie on the new hub :shame on you:
I can't freakin quote a message (the message from Plum. Getting an error message totally unrelated)
IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FREAKIN FIX IT

[V_S]

Plum,
I understand your concern. Apologies if my post hurt you.

As you were saying on 'Thakita Thathimi' song "there was no dubbing constraint on VM. He failed to use this advantage to reflect the spirit of the original". I agree that he should have written lyrics considering the character and situation and also considering it is a new movie. And not based on Veturi's challenge or based on whether it is a dubbed movie. Purely it should be based on the spirit. Completely agree there. You have explained very much in detail.

But on Mounamaana neram, you were saying "that is the power of Telugu so VM not at fault". Here you have no complaints on VM. So it seems VM has understood this situation perfectly and also considers this as a new move rather than a dubbed one, but just that telugu language is superior in expressing this situation better compared in Tamizh? So just wanted to know how the telugu lyrics compares to thamizh lyrics, if you can post in telugu lyrics thread. Because I love the lyrics here.


So it seems for the first one you liked Veturi's lyrics (irrespective of the language), but for the second one you liked the telugu lyrics (irrespective of the lyricist)

aaaa...aaaa...
mounamaana naeram
mounamaana naeram
iLa manadhil enna baaram
idhu mounamaana naeram
iLa manadhil enna baaram
manadhil OsaigaL idhazhil mounangaL (I love these lines)
manadhil OsaigaLidhazhil mounangaL
aen endru kaeLungaL(mounamaana)

iLamaich chumaiyai manam thaangikkoLLumO
kuzhambum alaiyai kadal moodikkoLLumO
kuLikkum Or kiLi, kodhikkum neer thuLi (oh man! brilliant)
kuLikkum Or kiLi, kodhikkum neer thuLi
oodhalaana maargazhi
neeLamaana raaththiri
nee vandhu aathari (mounamaana)

ivaLin manadhil innum iravin meedhamO (beautiful!)
kodiyil malargaL kuLir kaayum naeramO (enna karpanai!)
paadhai thaediyae, paadham pOgumO
paadhai thaediyae, paadham pOgumO
kaadhalenna naesamO
kanavu kaNdu koosumO
thanimaiyOdu paesumO(mounamaana)