The Greatest Indian Epic - Mahabharath

**viggop** · 24th August 2005, 07:42 PM

In Panchali sabadham, bharathi also asks the same question. After Yudishtra lost himself in the gamble, he had NO right to make independent decisions as he himself is a slave.In panchali sabatham, i think Bhima gets very angry and says he'll break the hands of Yudishtra.

Also, i'm surprised that Saradhaji says Duryodhana can treat her in anyway he likes.This means that even the Kauravas treat her like a commodity.Both Pandavas and Kauravas are wrong. Nobody has right to treat women as a commodity.Draupdai is a human being and she has her own feelings and she is not an object or thing

Also, when she was being disrobed in fromt of the whole hall by dushashana, all the elders like BHisma,Drona,Dritharastra keep their mouth shut.It was Karna who gives this 'wonderful' idea of disrobing draupadi in front of all the people. Draupadi calls to Krishna to save her but actually even Krishna does not come to her rescue immediately.I read somewhere that draupadi surrenders totally to the Lord(saranagathi) and stops protecting herself from being disrobed. Only after total surrender , the Lord helps her.Till she was associating the soul with the body, Krishna does not come to her help.

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**S.Balaji** · 24th August 2005, 07:55 PM

"viggop"]In Panchali sabadham, bharathi also asks the same question. After Yudishtra lost himself in the gamble, he had NO right to make independent decisions as he himself is a slave.In panchali sabatham, i think Bhima gets very angry and says he'll break the hands of Yudishtra.

Bhima will be passified by Arjuna later on this.

Also, i'm surprised that Saradhaji says Duryodhana can treat her in anyway he likes.This means that even the Kauravas treat her like a commodity.Both Pandavas and Kauravas are wrong. Nobody has right to treat women as a commodity.Draupdai is a human being and she has her own feelings and she is not an object or thing

One should go backwards and understand what sequence of events that made Duryodhana so wild and vent his frustration on Draupadhi.
When Duryodhana visits the palace of Pandavas , he will get deceived by various mirages. At one stage he will step into a mirage which actually will be a pond and will slip down.. At this stage, Draupadhi will pass a very crude comment ... THE SON OF A BLIND MAN IS ALSO BLIND .
This will make Duryodhana furious and will immediately walk out of that place but will not be able to forget the insult that he had got from Panchali...
Karna.... at the time of the Draupadhi's wedding, he will also try to participate but Draupadhi will again utter an outrageous comment that I WILL NOT MARRY A CHARIOTEER'S SON.
Karna also equally will get wild on Draupathi...
Both of them took revenge on Draupadhi by dragging her to the Rajya sabha and try to disrobe her......
but this act of both will no way justify what Draaupadhi did to them... but thats the way some vent their anger and frustration...

Also, when she was being disrobed in fromt of the whole hall by dushashana, all the elders like BHisma,Drona,Dritharastra keep their mouth shut.It was Karna who gives this 'wonderful' idea of disrobing draupadi in front of all the people. Draupadi calls to Krishna to save her but actually even Krishna does not come to her rescue immediately.I read somewhere that draupadi surrenders totally to the Lord(saranagathi) and stops protecting herself from being disrobed. Only after total surrender , the Lord helps her.Till she was associating the soul with the body, Krishna does not come to her help.

True.... the Lord will come to the rescue when Panchaali totally surrenders before Him.

**viggop** · 24th August 2005, 07:56 PM

Balaji
There is another place where Lord Krishna almost decides to enter the war(other than the bagadathan story). When Arjuna vows to burn himself to death if he cannot kill jayadratha, Krishna is not happy.He then asks his charioteer to prepare his chariot for war just in case Arjuna fails in his vow.He tells that he'll wage the war for the pandavas if Arjuna does unable to fulfill the vow.But of course, using a lot of tricks , Krishna saves Arjuna's life and jayadratha is killed. Arjuna succeeds in taking his revenge for AbhimanyuI read this story in HariKrishnan sir articles in chennaionline.

**viggop** · 24th August 2005, 08:02 PM

I agree that it was wrong for Draupdai to passed the remark when Duryodhana fell down.But, i'll support Panchali's decision to assert her right on who should marry her.The same panchali will of course not object when Kunti asks her to be the wife of all five.It means that she was a very independent woman who does not fail to do what she wants to do.Nobody can force her to accept anything.If she did not like to become wife of all 5 brothers, i'm sure she would have told that to Kunti and asserted her rights.

Even Sita was like that.When she sees Rama in the streets walking behind Vishwamitra,she falls in love with him.She vows to kill herself if somebody else had broken Shiva's bow.It means, no one can force Sita to marry someone she does not like to marry.

**S.Balaji** · 24th August 2005, 08:08 PM

Viggop,

Even before Jayathradha episode, Krishna , twice will get upset and will forge towards Bhishma taking his Sudharshana Chakra...

When Bhishma fights with Arjuna.... Krishna will observe that Arjuna , out of his respect for his Grandfather was not tottally committed to the war with him and was fighting with less force ( despite the Geethopadhesham ! )
While Bhishma will fight with full vigour and will emerge stronger always.... This will make Krishna wonder ... if this situation continues , Pandavas will lose the war and twice he will get furious and will tell Arjuna that - You are not committed totally to the war with Bhishma... Hence Let me kill him and will forge towards Bhishma... Bhishma with tears in his eyes,, will happily salute the Lord saying that.... IF I HAVE TO DIE BY YOUR CHAKRA... IT WILL BE A GREAT BLESSING TO ME.... I WILL REACH YOUR LOTUS FEET. PL DO IT...

At this stage, Arjuna will realise his mistake and will plead to Krishna to cool down and continue his role as a Charioteer.... and will resume the war....

**S.Balaji** · 24th August 2005, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by viggop

I agree that it was wrong for Draupdai to passed the remark when Duryodhana fell down.But, i'll support Panchali's decision to assert her right on who should marry her.The same panchali will of course not object when Kunti asks her to be the wife of all five.It means that she was a very independent woman who does not fail to do what she wants to do.Nobody can force her to accept anything.If she did not like to become wife of all 5 brothers, i'm sure she would have told that to Kunti and asserted her rights.

Viggop,

While I too am not denying Panchaali's individual right to decide her choice.... I question the type of comments she had passed on Karna.... CASTING ASPERSIONS ON HIS CASTE... which is sad.....

May be she is a Rajakumari... and she thought the levels will not match.... in that case, she should not have accepted Arjuna as well....
The reason is that until Arjuna reveals himself , she will not know the trueth.....that it was Arjuna....
Here I find dilution in her standards of thinking...

**viggop** · 24th August 2005, 08:18 PM

Balaji
I have mentioned this story in either this thread or Ramayana thread.

**viggop** · 24th August 2005, 08:21 PM

Balaji
If Arjuna was from charioteer's caste, I think Draupadi might have accepted him.probably , she already fell in love with Arjuna and did not want to maary anyone else.How does Arjuna come into the swayamvara? Does he come disguised as someone else? I thought only kings will be allowed for the swayamvara,right? then, Arjuna had to come as a ruler of some kingdom

**S.Balaji** · 24th August 2005, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by viggop

Balaji
If Arjuna was from charioteer's caste, I think Draupadi might have accepted him.probably , she already fell in love with Arjuna and did not want to maary anyone else.How does Arjuna come into the swayamvara? Does he come disguised as someone else? I thought only kings will be allowed for the swayamvara,right? then, Arjuna had to come as a ruler of some kingdom

Dear Viggop,

In Draupadhi's wedding, it was not SWAYAMVARA. Actually Durupadha will hold a test of skills where all princes will participate ( including Karna ) while Arjuna will be in disguise ( to explain why Arjuna was in disguise , I will have to go back to the Arakku maalaigai episode when the pandavas were made to live in Wax palace which was constructed by an architect under the guidance of Sakuni .... but Vidhura will give code worded alarm to Yudhishtra to vacate and with the help of Bhima , they will build a secret escape route and will move out of the palace... while Sakuni and his men will set fire to the palace....
The whole country will believe that the Pandavas had died in the inferno... and will feel sad .... but the Pandavas,, guided by Kunti will be in disguise.... and will not expose themselves for sometime... before the Draupadhi wedding event....

Now, coming back to the wedding event, Durupadha will conduct a skill test and will announce that the guy who wins the skill will marry his daughter....
While no other prince could win that test, Durupadha will wonder how to end this .. .and will announce that anybody can come and display his skill and the guy who wins shall be the worthy person to marry my daughter....
At this stage, Arjuna, in disguise will come forward and win the test ( I think he will come in disguise as a Brahman ).
Everybody will get upset and will start fighting but at this time Bhima will stand in between and will chase them away...

Durupadha will appreciate Arjuna and will do a kanyadhan to him... and will also send his son Drusthadhymnan along with Draupadhi to the bridegroom's house to find out the trueth....
Finally Dirushtadhyumnan will realise that they were pandavas... when he sees them along with Kunti

**S.Balaji** · 24th August 2005, 08:45 PM

Viggop,

You had mentioned that Draupadhi already fell in love with Arjuna and would have married him anyway…

Actually, the story goes like this :

Durupadha , to avenge his defeat against Drona , will perform a yagna on two counts :
1.To get a son who shall kill Drona
2.To get a daughter who shall marry Arjuna

The specific reason for the second count was a smart thinking by Durupadha as if Arjuna marries his daughter , he will come by his side and will not be with Drona !
Actually, when Durupadha lost earlier to Drona, it was Arjuna who won the battle against Durpadha and gave the Kingdom of Panchalam as a gift to his Guru.

In the Yagna, Dirushtadhyumnan will come out as son

and Panchali as daughter

The rest if history