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5th February 2012, 10:29 PM
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Great thread RR, thanks
My very favorite Rahman song which also got him and SPB the NA, based in Sivaranjani. Great Sivaranjani!
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5th February 2012 10:29 PM
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6th February 2012, 01:07 AM
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Azhagana Ratchashiyae (Mudhalvan) reethigowla raga
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6th February 2012, 01:09 AM
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khwaja mere khwaja (JA) and acid darbari (127 Hours) - Darbari Raga
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6th February 2012, 10:01 AM
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venkiram: It's one of my favorite songs. Will be interesting to hear an analysis. First impression, I see it behag-ish but not sure. Need to look into it more. KV, where are you?
V_S: thanks, I was expecting you 'thanga thamarai magale' national award to SPB pathi no comments On the raga, I think it's a typical ARR raga mixture. The part 'iruthayathin ulle' is of course sivaranjani.
sunil: good videos! 'azhagana raatshashiye' is a cool fast riti gowla. In darbari, we can add 'kaatre en vaasal vanthai' too.
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6th February 2012, 10:33 AM
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RR,
Thanks. How about KaNNum KaNNum KoLLai Adithaal? Especially when he finishes with 'Artham artham', I can hear sivaranjani. Beautiful song, another favorite of mine. Even SnehidhanE (one of ARR's top most composition) has touches of sivaranjani, if I am not wrong.
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6th February 2012, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by
Roshan
BTW, would appreciate if you can explain a bit about graha bedam
Its a very popular technique where scale changes in a particular raga helps in arriving at another raga.....
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for example take the raga- mohanam- say the scale C - the notes are S R2 G2 P D2 S; in western C D E G A Ctop
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1) if we take R2 G2 P D2 S R2 from mohanam and use R2 as S, we get the ragam - madhyamavathi
2) same way if we take - G2 P D2 S R2 G2 and take G2 as S, we get the ragam- hindolam
In the same way with, P as lower S- we get sudha saveri and with D2 as S we get sudha dhanyasi
this is what is known as graha bedam......
graha bedam is also possible in various ragams, be it melakartha or janya ragams.....
take even charukesi- we get three ragams using graha bedam - vachaspathi, natakapriya and gowri manohari.....
hope this answers your question or have i confused you even more.....
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6th February 2012, 11:01 AM
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V_S: kannum kannum has no anya swaras, so it can be argued sivaranjani. But ARR introduces another complication. Not clear where is the shatjam. If we take panjamam sruti, the scale becomes like Neelamani (without 'Ni', so just Neelama ). Both are very close ragas in feel too. Since this is just scale based song, I think it's not clear-cut to give one name. In other words, one can take whichever raga he/she thinks it is. It won't be incorrect. (Nanna kozhappitena? ARR panna mattum sariyaa..)
MSV & IR are both well known to do such ambiguous raga based songs. We just discussed a couple in IR thread ..
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6th February 2012, 11:03 AM
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Thanks Arvind. You explained it crisply (and saved me trouble)
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6th February 2012, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by
Arvind Srinivasan
Its a very popular technique where scale changes in a particular raga helps in arriving at another raga.....
.
for example take the raga- mohanam- say the scale C - the notes are S R2 G2 P D2 S; in western C D E G A Ctop
.
1) if we take R2 G2 P D2 S R2 from mohanam and use R2 as S, we get the ragam - madhyamavathi
2) same way if we take - G2 P D2 S R2 G2 and take G2 as S, we get the ragam- hindolam
In the same way with, P as lower S- we get sudha saveri and with D2 as S we get sudha dhanyasi
this is what is known as graha bedam......
graha bedam is also possible in various ragams, be it melakartha or janya ragams.....
take even charukesi- we get three ragams using graha bedam - vachaspathi, natakapriya and gowri manohari.....
hope this answers your question or have i confused you even more.....
Many thanks Arvind No confusion at all. It's quite clear. Another small request, can you tell me at which point the graha bedam happens in the Venessa Mae link RR had posted? ellaam oru aarva kOLaRuthaan
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6th February 2012, 03:41 PM
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Few i could think of from the top of my mind:
Aahista Aahista from Swades is in Charukeshi
Noor Un Ala (meenaxi) is in raag Jog/Chalanaata shades
Aaromale (VTV) has bhageshree shades in the lines Swasthi swasthi sumuhurtham
Naina (from Water) is in raag Bhatiyar
Chodo meri Baiyyan (Zubeidaa) is in Pathdeep
Thee kurivi (i think) from Kangalal Kaidhu sei is in Hamsadhwani
Then there are many Bhairavi/Sindhu bhairavi based ones: (not all are absolute, but some have mix or shades of Bhairavi)
1. Sabaq Aisa (tehzeeb)
2. Rang Hai (meenaxi)
3. Mera Rang de basanti (Legend of Bhagat singh)
4. Behne De (raavan)
5. Maargazhi Thingal (Sangamam)
6. engae enadhu kavidhai (Kandukondein)
7. Jiya Jale (Dil se)
8. Khamoshiyaan gungunaane lagi (1-2-ka-4)
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