IlayaRaja's New Albums 2013-15 - Mahendran film/Thaarai thappattai/Mythri

**karlkalyan** · 6th February 2012, 08:55 AM

I just don't understand the excited claims by ignorant directors/artists about IR using live orchestra bla bla. This is nothing but sheer ignorance. The standard orchestra team comprises KBs, Rhythm section including Indian rhythm section, BG/EG, flute.......and during the track record of the song, only these basic troupe will be there. Then if there is a string portion, then they are added in a separate session. Like they add the voices later with the singers.

In the same way, for RR sessions, in earlier days, all the 70 odd players will be there in full attendance during the 3-4 day period he used take for a film's RR work. This 70 include sitar kind of instruments which are sparingly used. But now a days, due to the advancement in technology, the string section is called the last. They will come for the last two days......and their portions will be filled up in each reel.

From his earlier days, his score will always mention lot of unavailable instrument...like Oboe.......in the score he would have written it as QxProg-Oboe, Xylo, Bassoon, or he will mention it as kb1 or kb2...like that. These things he would clear it off during the initial rehearsal...so that the two kb players are clear as to who is playing what.

And in many string sections or brass sections also, the KBs are asked to supplement the live players. Most of the time the live flute is accompanied by the kb also. or in some cases the need for a syn voice from the kbs.

So people who talk about his using live orchestra, live instruments for this song or this film or that film, just don't know what they are talking about.

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**MumbaiRamki** · 6th February 2012, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by sureshmehcnit

No. He isn't that kind of a person at all. When he could proudly flaunt in his peer circles "Naagamalai Saanjiduchu" as his favorite song from Aravaan soundtrack, he can't be one such person. If he was one of that kind, I wouldn't even bother to know the reason for hating Ilaiyaraaja song. In fact, I was listening to Chinna kannilae song, he just passed by and casually the song fell in his ears, he heard the song for seconds and said, "yennada mokkai paattu kaetukittu irukkae.. yenna padam.. yaaru music".

I think it is the 'pattern' in IR's tune that appears so familiar - Esp 'chinna kannilae ' < Pause > ' Enna punnagai' <pause> - The pause is something that is so standard of raaja and sometimes , on first few hearings , i too felt it was just bit ordinary - Again, if its boring for someone , it is boring - why bother abt it !

**San_K** · 6th February 2012, 11:52 AM

Yes Chinna kannile is outdated though I liked it. I don't KNOW what to blame whethr the orchestration or recording (can't figure out why it failed to sound good)

**kiru** · 6th February 2012, 01:26 PM

Very strange .. in this same forum people were complaining about synths. Now we get an album with live acoustic recording and you guys say 'no big deal'. Come on guys.. gone are the days when IR used to record with this many number of people/instruments. Many commented about the few people in the studio doing complete recordings. IR himself takes his salary separately and charges more for the recording. He convinced pazhassi rAjA team to pay more for orchestral recording. Whenever a big string section is used for recording it makes a news (like it did for en mana vaanil - enna solli paaduvatho).
In recent albums only a few instruments are real - tabla in mayilu, electric/acoustic guitars in snehaveedu/ramana etc. The main reason we dont notice much difference is because the drum sounds is set to real drumkit sound and the strings on keyboard, for that matter any instrument, are more realistic sounding now, as they are actually playing back recorded live instruments (sampled). Quality difference is more like different bit rates of mp3. But we can also notice from the way the instrument sounds - there is a difference between a key press and for eg. fingers plucking a guitar string.

**kiru** · 6th February 2012, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by sureshmehcnit

In fact, I was listening to Chinna kannilae song, he just passed by and casually the song fell in his ears, he heard the song for seconds and said, "yennada mokkai paattu kaetukittu irukkae.. yenna padam.. yaaru music".

hm...what would he say .. if you were listening to thukkamena thuraram enna from mayilu.. probably mistake it for veLLa manam uLLa machan from chinna veedu.
I think IR's attitude is like this - ok..I will make a song with tabla.. call me a rustic musician.. I will also make a score with complete orchestral sections.. what are you going to call me.. to hell with all this.. I will do whatever is appropriate

**sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar** · 6th February 2012, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by karlkalyan

in the score he would have written it as QxProg-Oboe, Xylo, Bassoon, or he will mention it as kb1 or kb2...like that. These things he would clear it off during the initial rehearsal...so that the two kb players are clear as to who is playing what.

yaaru saar neenga?! I guess u r one who have access to reach and see Raja's scoresheets! ethaachum handwritten scoresheets irunthaa sollunga!

**karlkalyan** · 6th February 2012, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar

yaaru saar neenga?! I guess u r one who have access to reach and see Raja's scoresheets! ethaachum handwritten scoresheets irunthaa sollunga!

Oh sure, would be happy to share them.......but how to post them here.......the size is too big for the limit allowed here......

RR · 6th February 2012, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by karlkalyan

Oh sure, would be happy to share them.......but how to post them here.......the size is too big for the limit allowed here......

karlkayan, you can zip & upload to mediafire.com and post the link here. Or you can email me. I'll host it on tfmpage. Pls check your pm.

**San_K** · 6th February 2012, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by kiru

Very strange .. in this same forum people were complaining about synths. Now we get an album with live acoustic recording and you guys say 'no big deal'.

I have no complaints except Chinna Kannile song and My order in dhoni is

1) Vaangum Panathukkum
2) Thavi Thavi
3) Vilaiyatta Pogatti (Hariharan)
4) Vilaiyatta Pogatti (SG)
5) Chinna Kannile

Ofcourse I rated the SPB song as a weak song in this album after my hurryburry first listen

**sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar** · 6th February 2012, 04:52 PM

karlkayan

Btw, some things to ponder:-

Make sure there is no copyright issues et all. If the score is of an already released album, preferably 80s, 90s then it shudn't be a problem. If that score is from an yet to be released film, or an not recorded music piece, better skip that and post some other popular song

If possible, add watermarks needed.

If posting a popular song, kindly DO NOT tell what song it is, let we folks try to figure it out

What format it is, image(jpg/png/bmp etc) or pdf