The Golden Era of Dr.IR and Dr.SPB

[V_S]

Great post App!. Thanks for the vivAha sadya article. Nice look back on our tradition. Mouth-watering delicacies!. But all that killed, reading your last statement, very sad news.

[V_S]

Coming to the song, it is one of Vaali sir's greatest varigaL. Idhai paadum pOthu unarum sugamE thani.

என்னாளும் தானே தேன் விருந்தாவது
பிறர்க்காக நான் பாடும் திரைப் பாடல்தான்
இன்னாளில் தானே நான் இசைத்தேனம்மா
எனக்காக நான் பாடும் முதல் பாடல்தான்
கானல் நீரால் தீராத தாகம்
கங்கை நீரால் தீர்ந்ததடி
கால்போன பாதைகள் நான் போனபோது
கைசேர்த்து நீதானே மெய் சேர்த்த மாது

நீங்காத பாரம் என் நெஞ்சோடுதான்
நான் தேடும் சுமைதாங்கி நீயல்லவா
நான் வாடும் நேரம் உன் மார்போடுதான்
நீ என்னைத் தாலாட்டும் தாய் அல்லவா
ஏதோ ஏதோ ஆனந்த ராகம்
உன்னால் தானே உண்டானது
நான் போட்ட பூமாலை மணம் சேர்க்கவில்லை
நீதானே எனக்காக மடல் பூத்த முல்லை

Indha maadhiri situation’laam only KB sir possible. Every situation will not be a normal one as we normally see in films. A director who has the best musical taste ever in films and conceives best ideas for its situation. Even with mediocre music directors, you can expect the best from them, just because of KB and his unique situations. Not just the tunes, the lyrics in all his film songs are exemplary and is a perfect match to the situation. Everytime time these three works like a magic in all his films. Another unique aspect I observed in some of his films is the way the film starts is exactly the way it ends, like a musical Coda. It will start in a happy/normal fashion, will have some confusions/losses in between which will alter the happy mood, which will be sorted out towards the end and the film will end the way it started. Some examples; Puthu Puthu ArthangaL, Aval Oru Thodarkathai, Manathil Urudhi VEndhum, Sindhu Bhairavi, Aboorva RaagangaL, Bhama Vijayam, Server Sundaram and few more.

[app_engine]

nanRi, V_Sji!

very sad news

We got shocked simply by hearing that news!

However, just imagine the condition of his wife - who lazily woke up in the morning to shake her husband 'hey, wake up, it's getting late'

ennamO "low BP"-yAmAm, what a silent killer

[app_engine]

V_Sji,

I often struggle with the plagiarism issue raised for this number ('sO gayA' of tEzAb that came a year earlier)...why why why?

[V_S]

I can't imagine the situation of your friend's wife. God is cruel sometimes.

This song not even has an inch of plagiarism. People tend to put 'plagiarism' brand for any song, just by the first line match. A song can be called plagiarism, if it has atleast 50-60% close match (imitation) to the original, IMHO. If a song has only resemblance to the first line of pallavi, I don't know how we can call it that way. For example; this song has close match only in the first pallavi line, after that, right from anu-pallavi it takes entirely different route. And we still have 4-5 minutes of the song left. Does sO gayA closely match to the rest of the song? It is totally different. There are four important aspects we need to see.

1. Some sites say the release date of PPA is Jan-01-1989. Tezaab was released in November 1988. So there is a possibility that IR worked on the song around atleast 3 months before the release of the film, which dates before Tezaab's release (assuming they released tezaab's audio a month before that is in Oct. 1988). If this is true, there is no chance that he heard that song when he was composing for PPA.

2. Even if he had heard, he may want to give an answer to that song (as it was popular) by taking it's first line and conceiving it in his own way to give listeners his version of the song. So it might be intentional too.

3. It may be co-incidental too.

4. If all the above three statements are false, again only the first line of pallavi has that close match, after that there is no relation at all, whatsoever. How this can be called plagiarism?

[app_engine]

V_S,

As per the IR-KB rift legend:
- PPA was supposed to be a deepAvaLi release.
- Since IR gave other projects his dates and KB couldn't get his time for BGM, they did some old BGM copy stuff which was the cause for rift.

I don't know which deepAvaLi, was it the 1988 one or 1989 one?

About the 'only-the-first-line-of-pallavi' thing, there are many hubbers who stick to the view that pallavi melody is the most important part of any film song (catchy, reason for hit etc) While I don't agree to that viewpoint, we got to handle such claims too

Most of rAsA copies that itwofs lists, that way, are only 1% or less of the song's content.

e.g. kaN malarkaLin azhaippidhazh, look at what they say :

Inspired from ABBA's Money money money

Just the beginning of the song.

Also, look at darling darling darling :

Inspired from Boney M's number, Sunny

Again, just the beginning.

There are people who cite these examples and say 'thuLi visham' kind of thingy

Anyways, just some 'soththakkadalai' feeling to me when someone brings such things up...

[baroque]

very sad, app_eng
life is uncertain!

vinatha.

[baroque]

What a great composition from Ilayaraja with SPB!

Raja did showcase his orchestral prowess in this composition.

Listen to the second interlude.

continuous guitar strumming, beautiful violin, second interlude is my favorite- gloomy wind instrument-guitar strumming counterpoint, chorus pattukku paattu for SPB's vocals.

BEAUTIFUL!

there is no vocabulary to express our appreciation about this composition!

music, lyrics, singing, director's situation imagination - joy of present company & the pathos of his marriage disappointment!


Ever since I knew the song for decades +, my manasu automatically thinks of S.P.B's wife & thank her, app_eng

Please don't think as silly.

Over the yrs of listening to him day in & day out, we are emotionally closer to him. We wish him well. God bless his wife for taking care of our legend with love & care so that he can deliver us such beauties, takes care of our emotional needs.

Very emotional composition for us delivered with such ease by BALA! ONLY Bala possible!

IR and SPB, THE GREATEST LEGENDS EVER WALKED ON THIS PLANET!

Vinatha.

[Plum]

So gaya seems to be more of coincidence - pudhumaappillaikku-naan parthadhile level kooda illai. Few years back airtel theme is copied from "muthu muthu vilakku"-nu oru discussion nadandhadhu - adhula more than 1 phrase similarA irukkum. Permut-Combin-la oru chinna phrase kooda coincide aagadhaa? I don't remember the song but MSV once said about how he went to a hindi movie of SDB and to his shock, the tune of one song was very similar to an upcoming song of his. He swore to God it was a coincidence. It happens and this is what gives fans of lesser MDs to take a potshot at our own trinity and say "unga msvyum veda mAdhiri dhan pOla, Rajavum deva mAdhiri dhan pOla, Rahmanum jayaraj Maadhiri dhaan pola!" in glee. The ordinary is always looking for opps to equate the excellent with themselves...that's human nature.

[Plum]

More trivia App: you know what, your favourite Anand-Milind lifted this very song as "Chandni Raat hai tu mere saat hai" in a salman gaan movie. Since it was Salman Gaan, it is possible SpB sung that one too. Not sure if SPB reported that back to Raja or admonished A-M for that. I amsure faramu will know about the song