Maestro ilaiyaraaja news & titbits

[Plum]

I remember Bala Karthik talking about the use of langauge in music - as long as the sandhams fit the milieu and culture of the context of the music, and the words fit in sonorously, that is all maters. Lyrical excellence is just icing on the cake. This is our school of thought - and let me tell you,me p-r and bala have talked about this much before we heard IR saying this. So, in a way, I am proud that I have connected to my idol's way of thinking even without him explicitly saying it out. It just tells me that the bonding created through his music has imbibed a school of thought in me without actually having it spelt out by him. How many musicians can claim such a connect to their fans?

[Plum]

V-S - on Baradwaj, see my post to Suresah on his being a failed writer. See, you have to understand that when he writes, he lovingly shapes his articles, and has a certain way of polishing it and making it satisfactory for him. So, for instance, this interview he approaches with a GVM approached out of fashion IR angle. To garnish that, he needs to create some lovely prose that pitches this angle. Hence the MSV reference. I think he gave it away and explained clearly in the comments section himself. You see, It is about his satisfaction as a writer. So, he is not going to stop and do fact checks on percentage of fans etc. It is a writer's conceit. How do I know? I am a failed writer myself - far worse than Rangan - that's how. No need to take that seriously

[V_S]

Thanks Plum, just that I didn't expect such an article from BR's calibre targeting IR and his fans. After a_e's note, I just noted vijayr's comments, totally offending. Is this the way to write to an unknown person. It seems he is some respected ex-hubber. I am talking to BR and he is answering to us, unnecessarily why is he mediating with those 'singular' comments and commenting (generalizing) about IR fans very badly (those altar comments). In fact he is the one who initiated unwanted 'pedestrian IR tunes' which was no way related to the article and I and Suresh ji had answered politely with some recent examples. I don't understand why is he bothered so much about my questions to BR on his article. After all I am defending only for IR and IR fans. Very sad to hear this.

[AravindMano]

Suresh ji / Plum ji / V_S ji,

I still think you guys are harsh on him.

My question is as simple as - why are you guys expecting him to like Raja's recent works?

# He is a Hard Core Raja fan? - I am one. I totally sympathize with him when he says he doesn't like the sound. Or that he finds that voice in kAththiruppEn kAththiruppEn very irritating. Or that KarugumaNi could have been much better with better sound and orchestration. A hard core Raja fan could *still* say all that. Being a critic doesn't mean he must get past all the recording and sounds. And, wait, he doesn't even do regular music review pieces to boot. A lot of people just go and voluntarily ask him in the comments and start cribbing about what he says.

# Popular opinion is Raja lost it - the music and the market - after 92. Or in 2000s. We cannot change that. Whether that holds true or not. Only we Raja fans know that he is still making good music and can still create magic. Why are we even expecting someone else to agree on this?

# That he likes new age Hindi music doesn't change anything. His Rockstar review could be way off the mark - I don't know, haven't read or watched. It has got nothing to do with this opinion. It's easy to see this.

# Agenda gijaNda - it's funny really.

# I like Rangan because he is the possibly the only critic - movie critic atleast, I don't consider him as music critic - who would put up kanni poNNu kai mEla video link on his blog and call it's a true tribal song. He is able to appreciate Raja that much. It's simply not fair to expect everybody to love Raja like we do.

The same goes with GVM - ellAththukkum thittu ellA forum layum. On the other hand, SugA gets praise from all quarters. Why? May be because he writes good posts and we know he loves Raja. I find it funny. yAr yAr evLo Raja fan nu yArukkum theriyAdhu. We are just being too possessive of the man.

ambuttu dhEyn!

[V_S]

Aravind,
I am not at all against his liking/disliking of IR's recent output. I am not sure if you read all my posts regarding this. It is his right to like/dismiss any songs. My main concern is about his false statements about Raja fans and unnecessary comparison against MSV sir. Please read the above phrases which I quoted. He can think whatever he feels for IR's music, but he cannot tag IR fans into it and saying 'I think I speak for fair number of fans' or he cannot say 'his fan base has come down to few dogged devotees', where definitely I get hurt. I am not sure which post of mine you find harsh. But don't you find him harsh at all on us by these statements?. Because of these provoking statements, when we raise our concerns in his blog, we are again false targeted as 'IR fans are always like this' by some strangers. As app asked, if he is particular enough that these statements would cause embarrassment/uneasiness among his fans, he could have avoided, as he avoided posting the same in 'THE Hindu'. Still he wanted to retain these for some reason. I would prefer that article could have started with the interview and ended with his view on the interview (as simple as that), no need to tag IR's recent works, no need for comparisons and no need to target IR fans unnecessarily.

I again reiterate, I am not against his liking/dismissals of IR's recent works, it is mainly based on his statements in his article.

[Plum]

AM - . Naanga enna solRom.neenga enna solringa? . Epic fail comment, Aravind!every point of yours is a straw man that none of us ever said. What kind of understanding is this onyour part? :shock terror annswerer - En indha terror understanding?

[Kimrep]

App_engine,

that was me and I am certainly not apologizing for anyone. what appealed to me about this rangan guy is that he said "The other thing, we live in a country where if you don’t don’t praise someone to the skies it’s assumed that you’re damning him. If you don’t sing bhajans exalting a person, then you’re a rabid hater. I find that attitude baffling." IR himself doesnt subscribe to this notion and when he says things we rightfully appreciate and defend it. However, I think his interview of GVM was pretty patronizing but I did enjoy the titbits though.

Poor guy he wrote one piece and you all are tearing him apart, can anyone every say anything about IR at all? guess, thats why people like parthiban speak the way they do.

Anyway, thanks for reminding me why i stopped participating in this forum 10 yrs back. have a great life!

[Kimrep]

I meant "IR himself doesnt subscribe to this notion of false praise"

[MADDY]

And I subscribe to the "Music is bigger than language" theory.

//its not a theory, its a fact............mandarin, spanish, korean, african music can move us and communicate with us but never their speech or writings or articles........thats the power of music........music is a inexplicable form of expression which is gifted to human beings.......//

[jaiganes]

App_engine,

that was me and I am certainly not apologizing for anyone. what appealed to me about this rangan guy is that he said "The other thing, we live in a country where if you don’t don’t praise someone to the skies it’s assumed that you’re damning him. If you don’t sing bhajans exalting a person, then you’re a rabid hater. I find that attitude baffling." IR himself doesnt subscribe to this notion and when he says things we rightfully appreciate and defend it. However, I think his interview of GVM was pretty patronizing but I did enjoy the titbits though.

Poor guy he wrote one piece and you all are tearing him apart, can anyone every say anything about IR at all? guess, thats why people like parthiban speak the way they do.

Anyway, thanks for reminding me why i stopped participating in this forum 10 yrs back. have a great life!

oru pattaamboochi seththu ponadhu...