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[groucho070]

sethilv.com, awesome, awesome. I would love to have a separate discussion on MSV music of the 80s. His melodies were getting complex that time, a real challenge for vocalists.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

suresh, vs, irir, senthil, app, jai, kiru.... ooru perusunga ellaam sEndhu enna oru alasal! . sunny v/s windies pace attack paatha oru feeling! keep it going! spectators like me are having a feast!

(aside: thinking aloud, we're all so obsessed with the idea of 'comparison', aren't we? msv/ir, kvm/msv, ir/ar, zep/floyd, sunny/vishy, sach/lara, pele/mar, mgr/sivaji, kamal/rajini... ippidi pOra edam ellaam panchayathu pannidrOm. At some plane, aren't these scuffles indicators of the arrogance within each of us? yet, we will not refrain from pointing fingers at others asking them to mend their personalities. Like IR says, i think fate said to us 'nee ingye kadaa' and we merrily carry on celebrating our lowly lives!)

Annaaa!!! My thoughts exactly, looking at many threads/forums not just here but on any social media platform where some music is dis'cuss'ed you spoke my mind totally!

Agree with u KV! Sila per Arivu Jeevi engira pOrvayila, mayyam.com kku varrathe yaaraiyaachum ethukkaathum thittrathukku thaanOnnu thONuthu! Eppa paaru kaila sombOda alaiyuraanga! Tolerance nna kilo enna vilai nnu kekkuraanga

[wizzy]

KV, don't think the idea of 'comparison' had to be frowned upon..how do we benchmark the talent then....would be mundane if everyone chose not to and start singing their idol's hymns and expect others to do the same...now Bradman Vs Sach comparison is what keeping most of the cricket forums afloat

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

But Artists like Raja and Kamal doesn't need anybody to be compared with and raise them. Just by thier individual capacity and talent, they both go beyond comparison.

[Sureshs65]

/Dig

KV,



I personally feel comparisons are inevitable for any serious music lover. This is not comparison for sake of proving one person to be better than other but for understanding. I compare the music of Madan Mohan and Roshan with that of Naushad and try to understand why many of Naushad's tunes don't appeal to me the same way that Madan Mohan and Roshan's tunes do. This enables me to understand my own aesthetics as much as the aesthetics of the music director. I compare the tunes of RDB with those of Laxmikanth Pyarelal and try to figure out why I consider RDB a great innovator and why LP's tunes sound so pedestrian. Again, this gives me an understanding of my own taste. (Believe me there are lot of people even today who love the music of LP, many of the songs I cannot stand.) These comparisons help us flesh out our own thoughts and also understand the music directors vision deeply. So if you compare for this purpose and you personally come to a conclusion that you like a particular music director more because of certain aesthetics criteria, then I don't see a problem. The problem comes only when we everyone wants to go, "My daddy strongest."

The second point I want to make is that every serious music listener is also very interested in mapping the graph of any music director. How did he start? How did he evolve? Did his evolution stop at some point? Till what point were is tunes innovative? When did they start becoming stale? I think this is something everyone does to their favorite music director. I too do it but I am probably a bit harsh when doing such an assessment. So I do end up accepting that many of our great music directors had an issue in the later part of their career and their musical abilities did diminish. This of course will always be a point of contention but having followed the career of quite a few music directors I have no choice but to say it. As I said earlier, we are just doing a graph of their career. Not an assessment of their music. If we understand this, I don't think there will be a problem. This mapping of career graph is important because it also tells us how the musician evolved and how he adapted himself.

[KV]

wizzman, I ain't frowning at the idea of comparison, which IS the spice, or even lifeline, of such forums. idhellaam illatti uppuchappu illaama poidum. what's life without some 'kick' in it!
My point was about debating 'humility' (and how some of us find it so unbearably difficult to accept people the way they are). When we engage in discussions in public forums, knowingly or unknowingly, we make a display of our knowledge, exposure and understanding (or the lack of all these) of things - which is parading our arrogance in some ways, IMO. With just our mundane lives if we have the right (and lack of shame) to indulge in this, why should creative personalities be given the cane? thakkali chutney/raththam analogy?

[P_R]

My point was about debating 'humility'

fullA padikkalai. Music comparison ellAm purinjukka mudiyumnu thONalai. But will respond to this point alone

Great artists should not be judged by the standerts set for normal human beings-nu sollunga rightu.

Anything and everything gets disproportionately attributed to -what gets a tad thoughtlessly bandied about as - arrogance 'nu solRadhu kooda sari.

But, ellAmE edhirkatchi agenda based image- 'nRa maadhiri ellAm solla vENdAngREn.

"yEzhu swarangaLum ennidam viLayAduvadhu pOl" (Jagathratchagam book release function) and all makes one (adhaavadhu me) cringe.

I then have to remind myself of Kamal's comment that we are talking about a talent on par with that or Bharathi (agree, disagree adhu vERa matter, just invoking it for how it provides me an alternative framework to look at it) and who doesn't enjoy Bharathi's arrogance சுடர்மிகு அறிவுடன் படைத்துவிட்டாய், இந்தப் பதர்களையே எல்லாம் என்று எண்ணி இருப்பேனோ etc.

Perhaps had we been contemporaries then, we would have cringed for those too.
Today there is an inevitable mythic, larger-than-life image to it, so we consume his persona with glee.

[KV]

sureshji... adhu vEra department. completely agree with what you say (and in fact, my approach is quite similar too).
msv/ir... pliss continue. my paththupaisa - keeping musical abilities of these legends aside, I think IR's adaptability to changing trends has been better (of the two). MSV, it appears to me, chose to stay away from 'evolution' beyond a certain phase. For all we know, it might have been his personal decision to keep away from the industry, considering the enormity of his bygone career. IR, on the other hand, maybe choose to take the bull by its horn - whether he tamed it is what we'll debate for eternity!

[wizzy]

KV, oh ok..I don't get 'debating' the humility part basically nothing gives..even King Viv's detractors didn't give two hoots about his swagger/lack of humility..avaroda attatha paarthanga kaithatinanga..if and when push comes to shove and say lesser talents like Uttappam try it..we have every reason to cane him.

[KV]

P_R, naan agenda ellaam sollalaye . So many of us here have been following the man and his music for so long that, by now, even someone with the slowest of grasping skills would have a fair idea of how pompous he can sound at times. Certain lines make us cringe, like you said. ‘Yes, avaru arrogant dhaan, avaru ippidi than, but please let’s move on. You don’t even have to ‘accept’ him the way he is. Let him be and move on’ - is my point. Is this such a difficult ask? So impossible a stand to take? Why should every new speech of his create a whirlpool here? Pozhachchu pOtOm nu freeya vida sollren. Bas itna sa kwaah hai!