Khan Saheb Kamal Haasan's Jamaat/Jeba Koottam/Devasthaanam - Part 8

[jaiganes]

jokes really apart - Denali is Kamal's revenge on the guilty bublik who punished his heyram.
dashavatharam is kamal's attempted revenge on producer gone wrong - the movie became a ittu.

[equanimus]

Thridiots thenali both rejeetted

That's like saying anbE sivam and thenAli are both not great films. Thenali ought to be an outright reject.

Thenali songs were kinda above average stuff. As VTV said, ARR was running thro a lean patch then (2001?). Thenali,Paarthaale,Baba and Parasuram were not upto the standards of ARR. There were some odd gems in those albums too but as a whole album, they were letdowns. He was back with a bang in 'Boys'

For Rahman's standards, one has to say it's below average. It was not a lean patch per se in retrospect. thenAli was late 2000 but he also did Rhythm around the same time; Baba, pArththAlE etc. were in 2001 but he also did kannaththil the same year. But more importantly, he was doing some great stuff in Hindi these years, but I agree that it was odd to see Rahman churn out such indifferent stuff (especially stuff like Star, alli arjunA which seemed like he didn't even do them) for the first time.

[equanimus]

But pOrkkaLam engE is of course a great song. I don't care much for the rest of the songs even if swAsamE is kinda pleasant.

[Arvind Srinivasan]

For Rahman's standards, one has to say it's below average. It was not a lean patch per se in retrospect. thenAli was late 2000 but he also did Rhythm around the same time; Baba, pArththAlE etc. were in 2001 but he also did kannaththil the same year. But more importantly, he was doing some great stuff in Hindi these years, but I agree that it was odd to see Rahman churn out such indifferent stuff (especially stuff like Star, alli arjunA which seemed like he didn't even do them) for the first time.

At that point, it looked as if his hindi projects were taking precedence...The tamil albums save a few were grossly underwhelming ....

[Cinemarasigan]

Thridiots thenali both rejeetted

Anyway thridiots is not intentionally lower - hirani template Adhu dhaan.
Was lovely in Munnabhai, blade after that

ejjamble kudukkavE illayE...

[P_R]

All the savuthu remakes in Hindi.
amoorla appadi oNNum illai.

But you see the difference in 'feel' when watching the an SKV vs. a Dabang.

In 'Kamal - nam kaalaththu naayagan' there is an old interview by Equa's friend Gnani, who asks Kamal "aren't you - the intellectual Kamal Hassan - winking at the audience, when you are making SKV". And Kamal rejects it saying he is very sincere about those films and if he gave the impression to the audience that he was 'winking' then he would have failed as an actor.

In fact you can see that in the 'lesser' movies he makes. He is very earnest about it. There is little callous about them. Sure, there are odd moments - which are so ordinary that it is odd to see Kamal in the middle of that. But he himself exudes a sincerity and is kinda well-integrated.

[equanimus]

All the savuthu remakes in Hindi.
amoorla appadi oNNum illai.

Yeah, this is a recent phenomenon as such. I don't think there are good examples in Tamil cinema.

I hate Dabbang because it wants to kinda wink at the audience (look, I am bigger than the aesthetics of this movie, I am intentionally pandering, even borderline spoofing) and at the same time get the mileage out of the format. Unselected.

This is of course an accurate charge on Dabangg. I didn't hate it, but didn't think it was anything more than passable. That said, there was something to the story of the two brothers (and the film also seemed sincere in these parts) in an old-school way (with some unusual elements like a twice-married mother), which I suspect didn't come through in the final film for whatever reasons. But I remember feeling that Abhinav Kashyap (who himself is a brother, of Anurag Kashyap one of the enfant terribles of Hindi cinema) was on to something here.

Equa's friend Gnani

Hey, I don't hate him or anything. Not even that familiar with his writings. I just find some of his Tamil films-reated writings that are meant to be serious high-minded stuff, pretty superficial. He's also self-righteous when he talks about filmmakers which makes me wonder if he accesses art in a way I can even understand!

[Bala (Karthik)]

Thenali songs were kinda above average stuff. As VTV said, ARR was running thro a lean patch then (2001?). Thenali,Paarthaale,Baba and Parasuram were not upto the standards of ARR. There were some odd gems in those albums too but as a whole album, they were letdowns. He was back with a bang in 'Boys'

Disagree on Baba - Sakthi Kodu, Baba Kichu Kichutha, the Dasettan song, enna koracha? In fact, i like these songs more than some of Rahman's other successful songs for Rajni/Shankar

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

"மனிதன் உணர்ந்துகொள்ள இது மனிதக்காதல் அல்ல" என்பவன் எந்த ஆஸ்பத்திரியில் இருந்து வர்ரான் ந்னு பாக்கணும்.
- குணா பற்றின கேள்வியின் போது.

கே:- காதல் போனா இன்னொரு காதல் ன்னு சொல்ரீங்களே இது சரியா
பதில்:- அப்படி சொல்ரவன் யாருன்னு பாருங்க. அவன் வட்டிக்கு விட்டு வசூல் செய்யுறவன். ஒண்ணு இல்லேன்னா இன்னொண்ணுக்கு போயிட்டே இருப்பான்

to staying honest to the caricatures in so called lessser movies like Vasool Raja MBBS!

[groucho070]

Disagree on Baba - Sakthi Kodu, Baba Kichu Kichutha, the Dasettan song, enna koracha? In fact, i like these songs more than some of Rahman's other successful songs for Rajni/Shankar

+1, and you mean Jeyachandran songs?