Khan Saheb Kamal Haasan's Jamaat/Jeba Koottam/Devasthaanam - Part 8

[hattori_hanzo]

Kamal, IMO has not gone completely against any particular religion in any of his movies and I'm sure no big celebrity would ever do that. As far as Hinduism is concerned, he has taken occasional potshots. But what do you think about the depiction of Nagesh's 'entiiiire' family in Dasavatharam? The IQ level of his son, Khalifullah Khan, when compared to the other characters?. I found it somewhat similar to the dimwitted 'Baasha Bhai', Nasser's character in Avvai Shanmughi.

[sathya_1979]

Yes, but was it not changed to push agenda against Hindus? Gundu vechchadhukku modi KArARAnam ok Appo 700 varushamaa nadandha atrocitieskku?

[Saai]

Guna in sun TV...what ya movie

The milieu - from people to sets to costume to lighting

cinematography is top notch.... excellent dialgues. After guna messes the signing drama at the sEt home....all of them are asked to vacate the place in 3 days. Under such crucial situation, guna's mother chases janakaraj saying 'ellaar munadiyum end payana paithiyamnu solla vechutiyeda' ....

The total sequence -lying to guna's doctor and guna to get him home for signing the document, guna's reaction on seeing his mom alive, drama at sEt home, aftermath emotions at guna's home and getting him to sleep with unnai naanariven song...awesome

Kamal and raja in top form there.... what a song and arguably the best perf of kamal

[Movie Cop]

Superb write up Sai! Padatha nalla rasichu paathirukeenga-nu thonudhu.

gunA - what a beauty? Kalaignani's acting and Isaignani's BGM - deadly combo!

One of those "Kamal-only-fossible-acting" movies, IMVHO. Climax acting "puniyam seidhidhu maname maname..." HaasaR take a bow!

[P_R]

Hey Ram 1 vs no of other movies against Hindu beliefs, speeches. EquationE thappu. Also, pilees to the enlighten what all pitfalls of Islam were "condemned" in Hey Ram?

First of all I disagree with this framework 'ngREn.
Hindus as kroop entity-yE aNNan oththukkuradhu illeengaLE.
As he mentioned in the anu kaapi kadai, he was bringing up how the larger Gods in the Hindu pantheon absorbed the 'smaller deities'. in the Dasa, possibly for the first time in Tamil screen, he brings up the idea that what is nearly imperceptibly integrated today, were pretty much different 'religions' even a few centuries back.

You talk about 'their' atrocities against 'us' in 700 years. Framework-E unselected.
There is no 'us'. In Hey Ram, he demolishes the pointlessness of 'us and them' and how this feeling of victimization is something we don't relate to, judging an group by a representative just does not cut and so on.

Even in Thevar Magan, most notably he sidestepped making it a Thevar-Dalit conflict. That is quite glaring. But he morphed his theme accordingly. And he got away with saying 'kAttumirANdippaya koottam', which is highly judgemental and incendiary, merely by taking advantage of playing a thEvar and having Sivaji speak neutralizing lines.

So, if you are accusing him of being equally bound by the constraints then oh sure.
What he is managing to do within those constraints is what is to be observed.
He is fleshing out the critique to be deeper (of course, he is losing his subtlety these days, adhu vERa vishayam) than the usual ones that are in the market - and I allege the Hindu right react strongly to him precisely because he really engages at a deeper level.

Balance paNRadhukku enakku oru Mulsim villain-ai kAttu; Quraan, Bible-la inninna lines ellAm yEththukka mudiyAdhu-nnu sollu - appo dhaan naan oththukkuvEn -nu sonNA obviously you are going to be disappointed.

And lastly, not about Kamal, in general what I have found curious about these critiques is this: 'we' are tolerant unlike 'them' ; therefore we get criticized ; the inescapable conclusion is that we have to get intolerant of criticism.

[P_R]

Appo 700 varushamaa nadandha atrocitieskku?

adhukku munnAdi thEnum, paalum Odi oNNu maNNA aNNan-thambiyA sandhOsamA irundhOm.

innaikkulErndhu 700 varusham thaaNdi annikku appadiyE thAthA, koLLu thAththA appadinnu pOyi appadiyE one-to-one mapping paNNa mudiyum.

[joe]

anu kaapi kadai

[groucho070]

And lastly, not about Kamal, in general what I have found curious about these critiques is this: 'we' are tolerant unlike 'them' ; therefore we get criticized ; the inescapable conclusion is that we have to get intolerant of criticism.

well said, well said, bravo P_R

[sathya_1979]

First of all I disagree with this framework 'ngREn.
Hindus as kroop entity-yE aNNan oththukkuradhu illeengaLE.
As he mentioned in the anu kaapi kadai, he was bringing up how the larger Gods in the Hindu pantheon absorbed the 'smaller deities'. in the Dasa, possibly for the first time in Tamil screen, he brings up the idea that what is nearly imperceptibly integrated today, were pretty much different 'religions' even a few centuries back.

You talk about 'their' atrocities against 'us' in 700 years. Framework-E unselected.
There is no 'us'. In Hey Ram, he demolishes the pointlessness of 'us and them' and how this feeling of victimization is something we don't relate to, judging an group by a representative just does not cut and so on.

Even in Thevar Magan, most notably he sidestepped making it a Thevar-Dalit conflict. That is quite glaring. But he morphed his theme accordingly. And he got away with saying 'kAttumirANdippaya koottam', which is highly judgemental and incendiary, merely by taking advantage of playing a thEvar and having Sivaji speak neutralizing lines.

So, if you are accusing him of being equally bound by the constraints then oh sure.
What he is managing to do within those constraints is what is to be observed.
He is fleshing out the critique to be deeper (of course, he is losing his subtlety these days, adhu vERa vishayam) than the usual ones that are in the market - and I allege the Hindu right react strongly to him precisely because he really engages at a deeper level.

Balance paNRadhukku enakku oru Mulsim villain-ai kAttu; Quraan, Bible-la inninna lines ellAm yEththukka mudiyAdhu-nnu sollu - appo dhaan naan oththukkuvEn -nu sonNA obviously you are going to be disappointed.

And lastly, not about Kamal, in general what I have found curious about these critiques is this: 'we' are tolerant unlike 'them' ; therefore we get criticized ; the inescapable conclusion is that we have to get intolerant of criticism.

Thanks for ur time and the details. vERu sila kELvigal and opiniongaL paRRiyum pEsaNum, including counter to few of the points mentioned above, evening illa weekend meetuvOm.

[sathya_1979]

Through a quick reading, I understand that I am still waiting for the tea: My question "Also, pilees to the enlighten what all pitfalls of Islam were "condemned" in Hey Ram?" to ur Hey RamlayE theLivaa sollirukkaarE statement.
All ur points above explains "his" understanding and opinions about Hinduism and none addressed / explained that he do have enough knowledge or have the guts to speak out against others.