Khan Saheb Kamal Haasan's Jamaat/Jeba Koottam/Devasthaanam - Part 8

[Plum]

Why is Kamal demanded to espouse the opposite view point? Simply because he hits the truth pretty damningly. I have to confess I have traversed from sathya's state to the current state so I see *exactly* where sathya is coming from. Kamal criticises the difficult-to-accept aspects of certain cultural aspects(I wont give ownership of those aspects to Hinduism or hindutva) in a way that makes those aspects pretty naked.

Therefore, as someone who is unwilling to accept the naked truth, I sort of develop a wish that Kamal actualyl does the same to some naked truths on the "opposite" side. Because, when he does it my "opposite" side will get the damning it is due.

It is not that Islam doesnt get its criticism in Indian movies - Telugu movies nakedly parade their anti-Islam. Well, not exactly because it is not as if they understand Islam and expose the problems with it. They simply create villains of the sort that the "Kamal is anti hindu" brigade would want. That is to say, if you wanted Nasser in Anbe Sivam to be a moslem spouting bismillah, you would actually find that in these movies. And it is pretty mainstream and *completely accepted as normal* in Telugu. But then , they dont have the validity that a Kamal critique in his movies will provide.

Therefore, when I anguishedly ask :Why doesnt Kamal criticise Islam as he does Hindutva:, it is because if he does, he'll do it in a way that will make me feel good about my opposite side also being damned.


I think Bala hit the nail - frameworklErundhu veLiya vandhA dhAn purinjukka mudiyum ((nAn frameworklErundhu veLiya vara but OraLavukku purinjukka mudiyudhu. maybe i am in the border

Idhu epdinnA

Kamal: Religion is the opiate of masses etc. (shows "hindu" aspects as religion which he decries)
Podhu janam: islathaiyum solluppA! nAnga bad dhAn othukkarOM. avanum bad-nu sollu

idhai thAn P_R pointed out that avar perumbAlum "hindu" charactersaiyE damn paNninAlum, hey ram simply makes it clear that he is damning everyone.

But what people want is the alpa satisfaction of seeing the opposition also damned.

I am pretty clear about it as I have had the opportunity to be the Onayi from both sides in my life.

The simplest way to end this is to simply grant that eithe a) Kamal is a coward who cannot criticise Islam or b) Kamal is a hypocrite. This should not be hard to do as if someone has to go beyond this understanding, well if they do they wouldnt need your explanation about what exactly Kamal is standing for. I am the clearest example of someone who crossed that line of undersanding of my own - after rejecting any number of explanations that offered to translate Kamal for me.

[sathya_1979]

Food? How is that offensive? Veg mattum saaptta non-veg sappdravangaLukku insultingaa irukkumaa?

[kid-glove]

Welcome back. Now off you go.

[sathya_1979]

Yeah! vara vechitttOm

[Plum]

Actually idhai paththi virivA eppayaachum pEsalAm. Actually what is meant by saadhi ozhiyaNum. What are the markers, practices we are talking about? I don't think we engage with this question deeply enough.

I'd settle for something as simple as "taking pride in one's jaadhi" and "nAn bad sari but enakku opposite jaadhiyum bad-nu sollu" kind of thought-processes being extinguished.

[Bala (Karthik)]

Food? How is that offensive? Veg mattum saaptta non-veg sappdravangaLukku insultingaa irukkumaa?

Food offensive illeenga Having or doing something to express one's Brahminism, as against choices we make as individuals without that baggage.

[sathya_1979]

aduththa kELvi: If we can take pride in our language / nationality, why not for caste? Instead of pride, maybe we can say veRi and discrimination of others in the name of caste.

[Plum]

AmAm pinnE ingE irukara sollO sappaiyA pEsikittirundhInga. konja nAL kodanAdu pOnyi rest eduiththA ipdi weightA matter pEsaRInga. oru manushan enna dhAn pAndradhu?

[sathya_1979]

Food offensive illeenga Having or doing something to express one's Brahminism, as against choices we make as individuals without that baggage.

Identity - As long as it does not insult, harm, discriminate others - not a problemnu naan nenaikkirEn. Take for example pooNal - The foremost identity - Say, a person believes in some rituals which require pooNal (Just like any other religion). As long as he does not say / behave in such a way that he is superior "Just Beacuse" of his pooNal, why pooNal should be considered offensive?

Analogy - kaththi vechi vegetable cut paNNalaam, kolai paNNalaam - adhu yaen eppavumE kolai seiyyadhaan payanpadudhunu nenaikkaNum? kolai senjaan dhandanai, vegetable cut senjaa saappadunu irukkalaamE?

Why blame markers or tools for the acts of people who use them?

[sathya_1979]

AmAm pinnE ingE irukara sollO sappaiyA pEsikittirundhInga. konja nAL kodanAdu pOnyi rest eduiththA ipdi weightA matter pEsaRInga. oru manushan enna dhAn pAndradhu?

he he, photography pakkam divert aayittEn. adhaan . also, maybe more mature now to approach counter-arguments without getting emotional. If it convinces us, edhuthukkalaam, illainaa discussion senjittu poidalaamnu oru nyaanodhayam