Khan Saheb Kamal Haasan's Jamaat/Jeba Koottam/Devasthaanam - Part 8

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

Bala, Song sounded good. I guess its not final version or so. (I didn't attend the program! but got to know all the micro movements happened there. And also came to know about Raja's new website http://www.ilayathalam.com/

Am irritated to the core, they are diluting the Genius! (Both the Be With me Event and the website!)

[jaiganes]

Two reasons :

1. SB had worked as assistant to the legendary Sridhar and then started with panneer pushpangaL which was good ; has also done other non-KH movies that were decent (one of them was actually produced by KH himself, kadamai kaNNiyam kattuppAdu)

2. IMO, as a true artist, KH himself won't want to take credit / debit for others' work, while being a whole-hearted team player. That's why SB is allowed to be in the title credits as director. (Not accepting / questioning that is same as questioning the honesty / integrity of KH).

Like MGR, KH involves in many aspects of the movie making - including music making for e.g.

Can we also call him "music director" for Guna, because we hear him call the shots in the cassette? (rAsA veRum tune pOttu & notation ezhudhi instrumentalistkaLai kai kAl Atta vaiththAr dhAnE?)

KKK unseletted - original malayalam "Balaram" deserved the credit and KH missed the bus when he decided to do the movie with truth king instead of Mamookka.

[app_engine]

original malayalam "Balaram" deserved the credit

wiki says 'AvanAzhi' (was the Mammootty character called Balram in that movie too?).

BTW, I quit defending SBharathi (or SingSRao) in the hub

[Plum]

App - nidhAnam. I understand your paasam for SB. But how does panner pushpangaL justify giving credit to SB for Gunaa? adhu endha ball park, idhu endha ball park? Creative Vision apdinnu PArthA what is SB's level? adhai edhai vechu edai pODaRadhu? Non Kamal movies of SB right? What does that tell us? Barring KKK, again with Kamal as producer and not inconceivable creative contribution to the project, what can you claim for the artistic vision of SB?
I remember - Chinna Mappillail, En Thamiz En MakkaL(NT rasigan nAnE solREnga, kOdi roobai koduthAlum pArthu tholaichudAdhInga), Chinna Vadhyar(idhu SingethamO?). sari Paneer Pushpangal - but what aesthetic in Paneer P makes you think SB's creative vision can give us Gunaa?

Singetham on the other hand I ahve a lot of respect for his creative vision. But still, his best works are with Kamal. Apple soos directornu solla mudiyAdhu.

paasam vERU, kadamai vERu - ungaLukku theriyAdhadhillai

[Plum]

Singeetham's first movie with Kamal was Sommakkodidhi Sokkokkadidhi(Iru nilavugal in tamil I think - the one with the anandam adhu ennada song). Quie enjoyable - and I would probably give full credit to SSR for that. No signs of serious input from Kamal in a light film, that is, in some ways, a precursor to the screenplay contrivances of MMKR. So, one can imagine SSR's contribution to MMKR must have been quite solid.

Singeetham >>>>> Santhana Barathy (sadly, despite his Panner Pushpangal and Raja association, app.)

[venkkiram]

As you said - title card means nothing. Judge by comparative statics -

ஆவணங்களையே எதிர்காலம் நம்பும். இப்போது நாம்(பெரும்பாலோர்) எப்படி பழங்கால ஆவணங்களை நம்பியே ஜல்லியடிக்கிரோமோ அது போல.

டைட்டில் கார்டு - அதையொட்டிய விருதுகள் இதெல்லாம் கமல் பினாமயாய் செயல்படும் படங்களுக்கு கிடைக்காமல் போகிறது என்ற ஆதங்கம் எனக்குண்டு.

உதாரணம் - தசாவராதம் - கே.எஸ்.ரவிக்குமார்.

[Bala (Karthik)]

Yes Plum. BTW, I fell in love with that title Somakodidhi soppakodidhi (correcta) ever since I heard that. With SSR, it was more of a collaborative effort. Not sure why app clubs SSR with SB

Venki
Guna/Mahanadhi:SB != Dasa:KSR

SB is the classic benami. Can you compare Guna, Hey Ram, Mahanadhi, TM, Virumaandi, Pushpak with any of the KSR films? What does that tell you?

[Bala (Karthik)]

MMA stands out in the Kamal/KSR ouvre. The Kamal KSR ouvre itself is different from KSR's other works obviously

[P_R]

வருங்காலத்துக்கு ஒண்ணும் தெரியாது. அவங்க நம்புவாங்க சரி. அதுக்காக நீங்களும் 'அன்பே சிவம்' எடுத்தது சுந்தர்.சி 'னு நம்பியே தீருவேன்னு அடம் புடிச்சீங்கன்னா என்ன சொல்றது.

[venkkiram]

Venki
Guna/Mahanadhi:SB != Dasa:KSR

Agree-nga. I never rated SB a good director.

SB is the classic benami. Can you compare Guna, Hey Ram, Mahanadhi, Virumaandi, Pushpak with any of the KSR films? What does that tell you?

Everyone agree KSR movies not up to the level of above. But a movie like Dasa, I think his directorial contributions must be appreciated by everyone.