Khan Saheb Kamal Haasan's Jamaat/Jeba Koottam/Devasthaanam - Part 8

[Bala (Karthik)]

Ayyo App! Samosa eating was literally what a friend told me (sets of the film). Adhe sentence la exaggeration-a irukkalaam-num sonnene. Seri, appadiye irundhaalum I don't understand your stance at all. Proxy (dummy bad word na vonaam) illa nu innum aanithanama nambareenga. Serious-a ve avar ungalukku vendiyavaro-nu doubt irukku

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

Clubbing done on basis that both did proxy, thats all. Mathapadi i never said SB is as talented as SSR. SB kkum talent irukku aanaa athu vera!

[app_engine]

Plum,

The basic problem is I'm no connoisseur of movies but a typical "thuNukku follower" kind of guy. So, gunA appreciate paNRa aLavukku, adhukkum PP-kkum differentiate paNRa aLavukku- ellAm nAn vaLaralai

(seen guNA only once on DVD a few years back, felt ok but not overwhelmed, as in the case of my many other KH fav movies...'idhukku ivvaLavu AdharavA'-nnu appappO thONum. But that's my taste buds / dhimAg problem and nothing wrong with others. OTOH, I loved PP during college days, not seen recently).

The other problem with me is giving reasonable weightage to "given credits", unlike most KHFs here.

To me, whomsoever called director in the titles is director, whether he had total vision / total control or done only project manager kind of work. It doesn't matter to me. I really don't care further unless there is a recognized pizhai - intended or unintended. (e.g. vAli getting credited for 'vizhiyE kadhai ezhudhu').

For such designation to be taken away, at least someone else from the team should contest it, as in the case of OTR. Or claim "direction-mERpArvai" as in the case of k eeram. Otherwise, it's becoming muddy and anybody's guess.

Here, KH has no problem crediting others but KHFs don't accept it -right from rAja pArvai to mahA nadhi, ellAththukkum Avi Avi-nnu vehementA Avi pidikkiRanga - and it sounds strange to me.

As if KH had personally told them. As if they were sitting in all discussions. And, as if they know inside-out of SSR-SB-Bharathan. (Like NOV once claimed for the % of pAttukku mettu. He had gone to the extent of calling PA's remarks as kudi kAran pEchchu).

That's why I posted as 'questioning the title credits is equal to questioning KH'. adhukkellAm saththamE kANOm.

Legally, where do people use benAmi / proxy?

When one cannot be present. Here it does not apply. KH is very much present as hero / thiraikkathai etc in the titles. I read somewhere that for SNSM, they showed 'veRRu nARkAli' when showing director Bhimsingh's name in the title, because he passed away. That much is the validity of titles in TF. However, people call the director proxy for many KH movies

Illegally, people have proxies in certain situations - like powerful man's black money / soththu or his illegitimate child in need of initial etc. Those are definitely not applicable here.

There are other situations when a popular man's name is credited for a work which was actually done by a lesser mortal. For publicity / marketing etc. e.g. books written by star cricketers. evanO ezhudhi ivanga pErla pOttu vippAn. In that case, the actual author is typically unknown while the credited one is popular. That's also N/A here as KH is immensely more popular than the directors listed who are not much known to public.

So, what is the need for KH to designate them as directors? Unless they've done "something adequate"

[tamizharasan]

[I](seen guNA only once on DVD a few years back, felt ok but not overwhelmed, as in the case of my many other KH fav movies...'idhukku ivvaLavu AdharavA'-nnu appappO thONum. But that's my taste buds / dhimAg problem and nothing wrong with others. OTOH, I loved PP during college days, not seen recently).

Accordingly, Kamal values him. While HCKHF's don't care for him, may be because they feel KH should get 100% credit for what they consider as two of his best-ever films and that this SB fellow has "robbed" him of that.

me confused.

[app_engine]

B(K),
Other than IR, no common link between me & SB

oru vELai romba nAL natpukkAka, "ivarum periya ALA varattumE"nnu kadamai kaNNiyam kattuppAdu project kuduththirukkalAm. uruppadiyA onnum seyyAma ivarai director-nu , just for friendhship, Kamal pOduvArA? I doubt'nga.

appadiyE eduththukkittAlum, how can the same "doing a favor" clause apply to SSRao / Bharathan?

[app_engine]

me confused.

puriyalai?

I said :

what they consider as two of his best-ever films

They is not me

[app_engine]

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Plum,
எப்படி ஒரு உதிரிப்பூக்களுக்காக நீங்க அஞ்சுவுக்கு வாழ்நாள் ஆதரவு (not ridiculing for obesity etc) கொடுக்குறீங்களோ, அந்த மாதிரி ஒரு 'பூந்தளிராட / ஆனந்த ராகம் / கோடைகாலக்காற்றே' ராசா கிட்ட இருந்து வாங்கிக்கொடுத்ததுக்காக நானும் இந்த ரெண்டு பேருக்கும் (yes, including P Vasu ) ஒரு சின்னக்கவசம் கொடுக்குறேன். Sheer gratitude!

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[OnMyWay]

Just wondering
In Guna ..
Guna says ""inga malai than bhayam manushanga illa" after he and Abhirami escape to the caves after attacked.. edhukku solrar appadi ?

[Plum]

App - you clearly are not understanding the movies in question! People do - folm enthusiasts - read signatures of authors in movies, you know. Ninga solradhu ellaam gossip column levelukku dhaan irukku. What we are talking of his - I don't really want to use baradwaj rangan jargon but you are forcing me to - auteurship, authorial intent and signature.

Think about this - the bunch of movies we are discussing here are Raajapaarvai, Gunaa, mahanadkr, apporva etc. Why not en tamizh en makkal, aditya 369 or chinna maapla or even panneer pushpangal. What is common to the movies we are discussing - what sensibility is common? Kamal ofcourse. Gossipaga paakkamal, film appreciationA paarthaal ungalukke puriyum. You are not answering the core question - what is santhana barathy's signature as director? What is his sensibility as director? Where is it found in Gunaa, Mahanadhi? Enough has been written about Kamal's singature in these movies so the ball's in your court to prove that SB's signature and vision Is found in these movies.

[Bala (Karthik)]

App
The question is not whether SB is a director or not. It is not whether he is fit to be a director or not. The point we are making is he was a proxy for Guna and Mahanadhi. The fact that Guna/MN had SB's name as director in the title card, that Kamal acknowledged this (en post la andha points-ku neenga respond pannala), that Kamal gave him KKK, that he made Panneer Pushpangal are not relevant here.
How does SB being a director in that film have anything to do with this??


Next your allegation that Kamal fans are upset/insecure that SB will get the credit for Guna/MN is worthy
Enakku therinju, only you and NOV are religiously holding on to the official title card director belief. How many people do you think remember these films as SB films, as against Kamal films? How many people even remember SB?