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m_23_bayarea

5th June 2007, 01:54 AM

Yes. Its been happening. I dont know about offices and stuff but in schools/colleges there are a lot of foreign people studying these days. Even bangladeshis are treated better in India. Not the same case here, am afraid.

Are the rich americans respectful of the poor? And people in the west hate texans, seriously 8-)

Yeah, for each and every aspect, we can point out pros and cons from both ends!

That's exactly my point... I hope you get it! When I started looking over the previous pages, I saw a lot of US bashing goin on... So I wanted to shift gears a little bit, and show that India has a lot of problems too, and let's focus on that first, before goin after the US!

:notworthy:

Rocky_

5th June 2007, 01:56 AM

* First of all, even amongst our Indians, we fight on language, class, and culture! Then how is our treatment toward International people? And now we're talkin abt how racist America is towards others?

I once went to india with a friend of mine. She is white american. And the ppl on the streets just stare like they've got nothing else do to! :lol:

Although it's not rcism, it makes me very uncomfortable.

They were curious just as the Americans were curious when I landed here in JFK in 1970 with my wife clad in sari. :lol:

:lol:

But even today, supposedly drivers from 5 star hotels still stare. :?

My uncle had many amusing stories....he said that in Le royal meridian the drivers get commision from the stores if they bring foreingers there for shopping. so the drivers are always keen on taking tourists to these stores. Once a driver was fired because he just randomly took a white man to Citycenter and said "Go and do shopping" and the poor guy was there for a meeting which wasn't anywhere near the shopping center. :lol:

Rocky_

5th June 2007, 01:59 AM

Anyway why isnt anyone talking about australia? My dad says thats the best place to live on earth but I have never been there :P

I hear it's awesome...I've also heard abt racism in Australia (Nala Dhamayanthi :lol2: ) anyone know abt that?

I too have heard of racism in Australia. Maybe Australian hubbers can enlighten us.

The best country I have visited so far is Holland. One heck of a place to live in. The country is very liberal (the most tolerant in Europe), the weather is great and above all, people don't have a problem speaking in English (unlike other European countries). My dream country :notworthy:

:D

my dream country is Brazil. 8-) They have so many + points besides the very hot ladies and awesome beaches. They are not dependent on oil at all...so the middle east could crumble down and Brasil will just go on like any other day....where as America would come to a screeching halt because we are dpendant on oil so much. Brasil runs on 100% Ethanol. :D that's just one of the thigs that are good there.

But they only speak protuegese. :(

rajraj

5th June 2007, 01:59 AM

Yup, we didn't have any such laws for imigration, but the furthest we went was putting seperate Schools for whites an non-white which was back in the earlier part of the 1900s.

No Surya! It was there in the sixties. John Kennedy had to send federal troops to Alabama to get a black admitted! :( Civil right laws did not have an immediate impact. People in the south continued to resist for a long time! :(

Rocky_

5th June 2007, 02:04 AM

Oh that's right! I remember my history lessons now...it was then when Gov George Wallace said "Segragation now, Segragation Tomorow, and segragation forever." :cry:

and lost the next election. :lol:

Rocky_

5th June 2007, 02:05 AM

There are still a few who support those things. :( Anyone remember the infamous racial outburst from Micheal Richards aka Kramer from Sienfeld? :(

Rocky_

5th June 2007, 02:10 AM

Okay, I gtg to a Societies Edge Concert. :boo:

I'll see u guys later. :)

PS: I really like the way the thread is going now, we are analysing different aspects of the US as well as other countries.

I think this is what Sudhamma ji wanted when he started this thread. :P Hope it continues this way. :roll:

:wave:

kannannn

5th June 2007, 02:11 AM

my dream country is Brazil. 8-) They have so many + points besides the very hot ladies and awesome beaches. They are not dependent on oil at all...so the middle east could crumble down and Brasil will just go on like any other day....where as America would come to a screeching halt because we are dpendant on oil so much. Brasil runs on 100% Ethanol. :D that's just one of the thigs that are good there.

But they only speak protuegese. :(
Ahh.. Brazil and South Africa are two places I hope to visit sometime next year (indha varusham mudiyadhu.. :( ). Yes, Portugese is a downer, but what the heck, the points you mentioned are enough attractions :lol: . This may put you off but, it is one country that doesn't put up with American attitude.. (they introduced a finger printing scheme just for Americans - to reciprocate American policies. And when an American Pilot refused to have his finger print taken, they arrested and jailed him :lol: ). What more, they even have a leftist government now :D

m_23_bayarea

5th June 2007, 02:13 AM

This may put you off but, it is one country that doesn't put up with American attitude.. (they introduced a finger printing scheme just for Americans - to reciprocate American policies. And when an American Pilot refused to have his finger print taken, they arrested and jailed him :lol: ). What more, they even have a leftist government now :D

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Tit-for-tat!

Rocky_

5th June 2007, 02:15 AM

well..I do think that Ameicans should follow the policies, rules etc when they do to another country as long as it's not radical or something.

Even Singapore gave the same treatement to an american Teen who spit on the streets there. :lol: He was cained like 30 times or so. :oops:

m_23_bayarea

5th June 2007, 02:16 AM

well..I do think that Ameicans should follow the policies, rules etc when they do to another country as long as it's not radical or something.

Fair statement! :)

m_23_bayarea

5th June 2007, 02:17 AM

Even Singapore gave the same treatement to an american Teen who spit on the streets there. :lol: He was cained like 30 times or so. :oops:

:rotfl:

Nerd

5th June 2007, 02:17 AM

m_23_bayarea

5th June 2007, 02:18 AM

Fifty years ago we would have had you upside down with a f***n fork up your ass.
!

Oh man!!! :cry2:

rajraj

5th June 2007, 02:21 AM

I am glad to see this thread turning into one that is more conciliatory and jovial! :) I will relate to you my own personal experience which impressed me a lot and shocked me!

When I was about to finish my Ph.D I wrote to the only IIT which had a large computer(main frame) that I needed for my work. there was no response. Then I decided to get some experience in a large corporation which was working on the same problem I worked on. I asked for a summer job. But, they wrote me back asking me to consider permanent employment and called me for an interview. After I finished talking to three managers I went the human resources manager. The conversation went somewhat like this:

HR: Looks like you did well and they seem to like you.
Me: Thanks.
HR: Have you applied to any other company?
Me: No!
HR: Are you going to apply to any other company?
Me: No!
HR: What will you do if we don't make an offer?
Me: I will go back to India and continue teaching.
HR: No! We would not want you to do that. We want you here!

I was stunned. Rather shocked. My friends later said that was an ' on the spot 'offer. That evening the HR manager called me to make the offer! The rest is history! :) That was the only company I worked for before taking up teaching!
Of course, there was selfish motive in attracting the talented! :)

Have fun! :)

Rocky_

5th June 2007, 02:21 AM

There are still a few who support those things. :( Anyone remember the infamous racial outburst from Micheal Richards aka Kramer from Sienfeld? :(

Fifty years ago we would have had you upside down with a f***n fork up your ass.

And the audience were visibly shaken and exited the auditorium in disgust!

Did u see the show on Letterman or something? :lol2: Him and sienfeld were on and kramer was going to xpain him self and he says:

"And I'm srry, the craziest part is that I'm not even racist, I'm not!"

and everyone in the audience started to laugh @ that. :lol;

Sienfeld: "Don't laugh, he is serious!"

Audience: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

I think that was well deserved. :lol: I was a big fan of Kramer too. :(

m_23_bayarea

5th June 2007, 02:23 AM

HR: Looks like you did well and they seem to like you.
Me: Thanks.
HR: Have you applied to any other company?
Me: No!
HR: Are you going to apply to any other company?
Me: No!
HR: What will you do if we don't make an offer?
Me: I will go back to India and continue teaching.
HR: No! We would not want you to do that. We want you here!

That conversation looks very funny! :lol:

Rocky_

5th June 2007, 02:25 AM

kannannn

5th June 2007, 02:27 AM

Even Singapore gave the same treatement to an american Teen who spit on the streets there. :lol: He was cained like 30 times or so. :oops:
:rotfl: :rotfl: I can imagine the poor guy struggling to stand up the next day and cursing his choice of country.

I think that was well deserved. I was a big fan of Kramer too.
Me too :( . I liked him a lot in Seinfeld and that video shook me. I am sure the apology drama was just that - a drama..

Rocky_

5th June 2007, 02:29 AM

Yup. Those things just don't come out if it isn't inside. :x

Rocky_

5th June 2007, 02:31 AM

:wave: See ya guys later.

Nakeeran

5th June 2007, 07:04 AM

Vow 8 pages of lengthy discussions since yesterday !

Some very interesting exchanges between Tamilvanan & Rocky Surya who actually rocked ! :D
Surya deserves a pat for answering most of the points convincingly !
Appreciate his conviction over a nation which he has inherited and stood by it

Where is chief Sudhamaji ?? :shock: He was the one who triggered this exchanges and has gone to back burner now !

IMO, Canada is one good nation which eveyone should look forward to . :D The next could be Australia. A country safe from invasion , besides being wealthy economically .

Roshan

5th June 2007, 10:14 AM

:shock: :omg: 9 pages over night ... !! Nalla vElai naan thoonga pOyittEn :D I need some time to go through the whole thing.

I don't like such wars, because it hurts teh US Economy. But when Kuwait was being invaded by saddam, and america intervened, and helped Kuwait, it was a good thing. Vietnam was a stupid decision, i think any learned American would accept that. Same thing goes for Iraq.

Weren't you saying something else earlier :roll: :roll:

Sad that they hate 'wars' because it affects their *Economy*. So, innocent lives lost in the process doesn't matter?

I mean, the decision is 'stupid'. the consequence of such actions? Doesn't matter, does it?

BTW, I also agree with Madhavan that Nakeeran sir might have contradicted what he said few days back. But that doesn't mean, what he says now is "wrong"! Does it?

Exactly !! Two 'wrongs' cannot make a 'right' !!

Braandan

5th June 2007, 01:19 PM

I have lived in the following countries
Saudi Arabia - 2 years
Switzerland - 2 years
Singapore - 2 years
Kuwait, Qatar - total of 1 year
Australia - 3 years

I have seen very unhappy people in all these countries, and very happy people too.. I have seen beggars in Switzerland too..drug addicts and muggers also..

Ultimately the happiness and unhappiness of the people do not depend on the country in which they are citizens. It all depends on their mentality.. I have noted one thing common: the Indians living in all the countries, I have lived, are the most miserably unhappy irrespective of their high salaries and best style of life.

Nakeeran

5th June 2007, 02:36 PM

I have noted one thing common: the Indians living in all the countries, I have lived, are the most miserably unhappy irrespective of their high salaries and best style of life.

Why ? Not even in Singapore or Swiss !

Braandan

5th June 2007, 05:23 PM

Yes, the Indians in Singapore are worse off when compared to Swiss. What you see as a tourist when you go to a country for a few days is not the actual scene you see when you live their long term.

Nakeeran

5th June 2007, 06:34 PM

Yes, the Indians in Singapore are worse off when compared to Swiss. What you see as a tourist when you go to a country for a few days is not the actual scene you see when you live their long term.

Is it the high cost of living or the culture ? I beleive the Indians have enough saving potential . However, the rentals are expensive. Life, I thought is quite enjoyable .

Pl explain further. SGpre is one dream destination for me :)

Someone can come up with note on malaysia .

Brandan, neenga pls write about Australia .

Rocky_

5th June 2007, 06:59 PM

Some very interesting exchanges between Tamilvanan & Rocky Surya who actually rocked ! :D
Surya deserves a pat for answering most of the points convincingly !

:notworthy: :victory: :)

Braandan,
What is ur take on the social view of the citizens in those countries u listed as far are Conservative and Liberal go? (respective to their
cultures)

In other words, who dominates usually in Politics, Public Opinion, Media etc? R they Conservative or liberal? :)

For ex: india tends to be more on the Conservative side in Politics and Public Opinion. But Growingly Liberal in the Media (CNN IBN, NDTV etc)

Selvam_mayyam

5th June 2007, 08:28 PM

My choice (after being to the aforementioned places): Canada, Switzerland, Japan

Anoushka

5th June 2007, 10:35 PM

Yes, the Indians in Singapore are worse off when compared to Swiss. What you see as a tourist when you go to a country for a few days is not the actual scene you see when you live their long term. Agree with you on both counts!

1. Indians are generally miserable - they seem to complain about anything and everything!

2. What we see as a tourist is different from what you see when live in a country...

Also have to add that I have been out of action for the past four days... and there are too many pages to read before posting any further! :)

m_23_bayarea

6th June 2007, 12:15 AM

Yes, the Indians in Singapore are worse off when compared to Swiss. What you see as a tourist when you go to a country for a few days is not the actual scene you see when you live their long term.

Cant agree more with you! It actually applies to all countries, not just Singapore! :oops:

When you just go to a country fresh, everything looks rosy! Cos everything is new and different! But reality slowly kicks in only after say 2 years... :lol:

Braandan

6th June 2007, 06:22 AM

My take on political views in different countries in which I lived. These are my observations only and I am not much interested in politics in any country, honestly. I may be wrong because of my indifference to this subject.

Switzerland - Liberal (They did not even become part of UN until Dec 2002!) the best I like about them is their 'referendum' election process.

Singapore - Scared to talk, honestly. My employer may still post me there in future. I have to worry about my visa!!! You must have got the point by now!!!.

Australia - Follow the US policy - Conservative mostly - George Bush has a cold, the PM sneezes here.

Saudi Arabia - yaLLa, what politics? al hamdulilla (All praise to God), so far as we have oil under our feet , and as far as the king protects the two holy mosques.

Same as KSA for other gulf countries.

kannannn

6th June 2007, 07:09 AM

Saudi Arabia - yaLLa, what politics? al hamdulilla (All praise to God), so far as we have oil under our feet , and as far as the king protects the two holy mosques.

Same as KSA for other gulf countries.
:rotfl: :rotfl: I don't think I have read a shorter, yet perfectly apt description of that country. Makes one wonder, how do they still manage to attract investment, not just in oil..

Rocky_

6th June 2007, 07:19 AM

Nakeeran

6th June 2007, 08:10 AM

What about china ? Hongkong, taiwan, Malaysia , the far eastern countries ?

Sudhaama

6th June 2007, 10:03 AM

Braandan

6th June 2007, 11:22 AM

To Sudhaama's question:

Please read the section under government:

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3431.htm

About referendum system:
A strong emphasis on ballot votes arises out of the traditional Swiss belief that the will of the people is the final national authority. Every constitutional amendment adopted by parliament is automatically brought to the ballot and has to carry a double majority of votes and states in order to become effective. The voters themselves may actively seek changes to the Constitution by means of the popular initiative: 100,000 voters may with their signatures request a national vote on a proposed constitutional amendment. New federal legislation also is subject to popular review, under the so-called referendum: 50,000 signatures suffice to call a ballot vote on any federal law adopted by parliament. The Assembly can declare an act to be too urgent to allow time for popular consideration, but this is rare. At any rate, an act passed urgently must have a time limit and is later subject to the same constitutional provisions on popular review as other legislation.

Can we implement such a thing in India?

Braandan

6th June 2007, 11:30 AM

Reasons why Indians are miserable irrespective of their quality of life, in foriegn countries:

1. Indians have the "take more, give nothing" policy. I have asked many PIOs who have become

citizens in Australia and Singapore. "Will you draft yourself voluntarily and go to the war

front, if there is an aggression on this country?". Answer: "We will take the first flight to

India". In fact this is what really happened during the Japanese aggression on Singapore, many

years ago. The then population of Tamils there were more than any other community. They all

took ship to India during those day, leaving the Chinese and Malays fighting the enemy. "We

are here for the comforts of this country, not because we love this country" (in the mind:"We

do not love India also")

2. Too conservative "we-will-not-mingle-with-them" attitude. Look at any office in a foriegn

country in which Indian IT professionals work. They have lunch together among themselves.

Won't care to have a beer with a non-Indian co-worker. "Oops, today is saturday, I am not

supposed to drink beer as per my astrologer's dictum!". Or "forgot to bring my tupperware

tiffin box today, where can I go to get pure-vegetarian food?" - I really got fed up with a

"pure-vegetarian" team-mate posted from India to Aus recently. He cannot enter a food-court

without feeling vomiting sensation. I asked him "Why did you come here for?, you would have

stayed put in your agrahaaram!".

3.Unpunctuality and "taking-for-granted" attitude. Ask an Indian friend to meet up at a

particular place at a particular time. He will arrive 1 hour late with all types of silly

excuses, like "missed the train" (then take an earlier train!). He takes for granted that you

will be wating for him, without having any respect for your time. Also the

"promise-which-you-cannot-deliver" attitude. "will give you the report tommorrow" - actually

you have to remind him until next month to get the report!

4."Socialize only if it is useful" attitude. "By being introduced to him, how can I use him

for my own good?". This is one of the worst attitudes which make Indians miserable in foriegn

countries. I know of an Indian working in the same organization in a different department. He

will never smile at you in the lift or in the lobby, even if you smile at him. Suddenly one

morning he will come smiling and with all sweet talk. He wants you to do something for him!

There are many like this. I have just listed out the ones which suddenly came to my mind.

Anoushka

6th June 2007, 02:44 PM

Brandan I agree with you on all four points! :)

I see my friends here complain that there is nothing available cheap or free of cost... if it is available then it does not suit, it is not good, etc!

They expect someone to sponsor everything, they want the food outside to be as cheap as the road side shops in India but they want it to be of Irish standards!

When special olympics happened here in 2003, there were very few Indians in the 30,000 volunteers! I hardly see any Indians doing voluntary work here.

And not many have friends who are not Indian. And to make it worse, there is this regional thing as well, the Telugu and Telugu go together, Tamil and Tamil go together, etc!

goodsense

6th June 2007, 02:49 PM

Brandaan wrote:

Four points why Indians are miserable irrespective of their quality of life, in foriegn countries.

If these things are true as I can see people from India admitting to, then I shouldn't feel bad about the things I once posted said/experienced by one Caesar. But it is all generalization which applies to all nations/countries. Not all the people can be generalized this way.

Having the courage to do this explicity on this forum, do you care to explain what you meant in the joke thread using the word " raNakkaLam" so all can understand?

goodsense

6th June 2007, 02:54 PM

Anoushka,

That was a good write up on Ireland the other day. Irish people are quite friendly and helpful. I felt really laid back and relaxed when I was in Dublin and Gallway one summer off uni. I wanted to go back to Gallway (it is so beautiful and peaceful) sometime in the future. But once you leave, you realize there are other places of interest to see and it is just not possible to go back to the same place more than once.

I still have and wear my Ireland tea-shirt. The older it gets, the nicer it seems. :D

Nakeeran

6th June 2007, 02:54 PM

Anoushka

6th June 2007, 03:21 PM

Thanks Goodsense :)

Galway is absolutely beautiful, specially if the weather is nice a drive down the bog land is something I enjoy...

And as for the Irish helping tendancy... just a few small incidents that happened two days ago...

Earlier in the day I was in a hospital all day visiting someone and though I was not the patient, I was forced to have a glass of milk everytime the tea lady came and offered food (which was purely meant for patients) and wasn't thrown out all day (though they are very fussy about the visiting time).

And it was about 8:30 in the evening and I was waiting in the bus stop. A man who was walking that side, saw me standing there, tired, with my big, ready to pop now tummy, and came to me and asked me if I was ok! Also he gave me his bus pass for the day and said he had finished using it and it still had about 40 minutes on it left and I could use it for my bus :)

A couple of minutes later, a taxi stopped by (there was already a female passenger in it) and the taxi driver and the woman asked me if I need a lift. I was going much farther than where they were going so I refused the lift with a smile.

Thankfully a bus arrived quick enough and I was home in a hours time! :)

Anoushka

6th June 2007, 03:26 PM

Brandan

All the points are valid except one. If someone is a pure vegetarian, he/she will obviously find it impossible to adjust immediately to the change.
This I find it even inside India if my neighbourhood lets out the smell of chicken or fish fry .
I feel this is something unavoidable nature.

And point no : 4 happens in India itself if one crosses another state ! :) I can understand as my hubby is a veg and I eat non veg... I don't cook non veg at home when he is around.

But what I find funny is that when there is a crowd getting together and we make special efforts to make it pure veg, there will be a few vegetarians who go, "oh, btw when you order a pizza, take care there are no mushrooms in it" or "don't order a brinjal dish when you order an Indian take away".

podalangai

6th June 2007, 05:39 PM

Singapore - Scared to talk, honestly. My employer may still post me there in future. I have to worry about my visa!!! You must have got the point by now!!!.

:rotfl:

Saudi Arabia - yaLLa, what politics? al hamdulilla (All praise to God), so far as we have oil under our feet , and as far as the king protects the two holy mosques.

Same as KSA for other gulf countries.

:lol: A Saudi blogger phrased it thus:

When God created Saudi Arabia, he also presented us with three gifts:

- The Holy Mosques at Makkah and Madinah, for our spiritual needs

- The Oilfields, for our material needs

- The Indian Subcontinent, so that we had people to sweep out the former and pump out the latter.

(from http://muttawa.blogspot.com/2006/04/work-ethic.html)

Anoushka

6th June 2007, 05:55 PM

podalai: :lol:

Nakeeran

6th June 2007, 06:37 PM

Brandan / Podalangai

I think we all generalize life in gulf.

from what I learn fm my friends who live in UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait, life seems to be a virtual heaven but for the summer. Add Oman also.

Even visa is not a big issue it seems

One grouse however is the decline in saving potential compared to yesteryears and also the increasing cost of living.

Dubai seem to be a heaven for many .

Anoushka

6th June 2007, 06:48 PM

Nakeeran: It depends on where in gulf you live. Again the colour of your skin matters too...

Saudi is one place I wouldn't want to live. I have my team mates on a project in Saudi, they have just moved into a new office and it doesn't even have women's toilets... the reason? Women are not supposed to work there!

Life inside the compound I heard is great, food is cheap, there is variety, life is a luxury, but that is about it!

Women cannot go out alone and when they do go out they have to wear a burkha. Women are free to do anything as long as they are inside their compound...

I was in Dubai during Ramadan and I noticed that even small children are not allowed even to have water in public during fasting times.

Roshan

6th June 2007, 08:37 PM

Brandan,

What you have said about Indians is mostly applicable to the entire sub continent - including Sri Lankans.

Podalai - your joke on Saudi was :lol:

Anou,

THanks for sharing your experience. Quite pleasant it was and it's so encouraging and pleasing to know , such nice people exist :D

oh, btw when you order a pizza, take care there are no mushrooms in it

When I read this I was like :oops: and :lol: Because I am one such person who always makes fuss about mushrooms :P

Then all what you have said about KSA is correct. My cousin lives there with her husband and finds it very tough over there with all those rules and restrictions. She cannot take her kid out without her husband accompanying them. Cannot go out for an emergency. ippadi niRaiya restrictions :x Every time she calls or writes - she'd throw out her frustrations about living in KSA :(

On the other hand UAE is a lovely place to live. I have been there and stayed through out for about 2 months and it is one such place I would want to visit again and again. It can be rated as one of the best places to live - provided you have a decent job with a handsome package :) And it's also one of the most safest countries without any restrictions being imposed on women.

Roshan

6th June 2007, 08:43 PM

I was in Dubai during Ramadan and I noticed that even small children are not allowed even to have water in public during fasting times.

That I think is not correct, as my stay in UAE was also during the month of Ramzan ( i was there the whole month) and I hadn't notice nor heard such restrictions on small children. Anyway, let me get it clarified and confirmed from my brother, who lives there :)

Sudhaama

6th June 2007, 10:39 PM

A Saudi blogger phrased it thus:

When God created Saudi Arabia, he also presented us with three gifts:

- The Holy Mosques at Makkah and Madinah, for our spiritual needs

- The Oilfields, for our material needs

- The Indian Subcontinent, so that we had people to sweep out the former and pump out the latter.

(from http://muttawa.blogspot.com/2006/04/work-ethic.html)

Dear Podalai.. Yes Yes.. Well-said. Since I too had resided at Saudi (as an Engineer Employee)...

...I am able to appreciate the True-sense behind quite well. :rotfl:
.

goodsense

7th June 2007, 02:39 AM

deleted by GS

Braandan

7th June 2007, 06:46 AM

goodsense,
raNakkaLam means battlefield..
since I know you since 2002 in forumhub I just warned my fellow hubbers..

goodsense

7th June 2007, 07:05 AM

I know you would come up with some thing like this. Why do you have to warn? They were here since then too and all post are in black and white on both hubs. For those deleted, summaries were made for the records and even if that was to be deleted, there are witnesses who warned me umpteen times to get out as you are well aware and several prints were made. So what do you have to warn about? Just goes to show who you really are despite the proofs that exist. Nothing but good trouble.

Only you can make your views with freedom without making enemies, but on same grounds, I am not allowed that is why you refer to them as friends.

What a place to be, between a rock and a hard stone and all the threads that can be easily pulled up would indicate that to the world not just to this hub, so I am not afraid. No wonder there are questions like "how did you survive and didn't commit suicide"? You have seen Caesar's emails and in case you didn't read them carefully, go back and read them. People know what the problem is and why and I am well justified. Ask Caesar who caused him to use the word "creeps" - who do you think he was referring to and what exactly was he referring to - when apparently, all played a blind eye? Go and read the summary in the Guyana Indians thread where you posted, all of which Caesar and others read. So who cares about you and your so called friends? Or is it that you have been under-estimating people outside of this hub?

I long wanted to say it, but held back, did not want to ruin the decorum of the hub, but since you are so "brazen", I would say it - I only see you as a little strayed about beggar, "competing" with someone you see as a rival and a threat and for other obvious reasons. If you find your true place, this wouldn't be happening. Yes, my ancestors have been "displaced" from India to Guyana, but I am fortunate to be a Canadian national, a national of one of the world's greatest country built by foreigners including my own kind, in addition to being part of the "common wealth". I am also a devout Hindu, born into this religion (long earned), fixed in Canada, and brought this culture to Canada where it is well established. I have no need for "acceptance" or to take your place in any way. Why should I be a threat to you, a born Indian national striving to be a Hindu who is not even fixed in India? Or is it the case that you feel guilty of something? If so, this is not how you deal with it.

What are you trying to prove and to whom and for what reason(s)? You are just lucky that there is only one of my kind that wishes to be on this hub. And I don't give a hoot if the mods decide to ban me now, I can well live with that.

I better end it here, don't want to spoil the thread any further.

Braandan

7th June 2007, 10:36 AM

thEvayaa enakku..?
ithuvum vENum innamum vENum enakku..
"vaayai kuduthu, ethayo puNNaakkuvathu" endru sonnaal ithu thaane...
kaalayile raasi palan padichappave nenachean.. :-)

goodsense,
don't you think this post is out of context in this thread?
Me? A born Indian national striving to be Hindu? ha ha ha ha? once you called me a white man in forumhub, remember?

Roshan

7th June 2007, 01:09 PM

thEvayaa enakku..?
ithuvum vENum innamum vENum enakku..
"vaayai kuduthu, ethayo puNNaakkuvathu" endru sonnaal ithu thaane...
kaalayile raasi palan padichappave nenachean.. :-)

:lol: :lol:

dev

7th June 2007, 01:15 PM

:roll: :banghead:

goodsense

7th June 2007, 07:35 PM

goodsense

7th June 2007, 08:07 PM

Deleted by GS.

goodsense

7th June 2007, 08:09 PM

Sudhaama

7th June 2007, 08:12 PM

Peep Into Foreign Nations:

Why are some countries/nation considered to be of curse and damantion in which some of us are rooted in? How is this reflective on the people? Can't help to say when I chant the Sree Hanuman Chalisa what comes to mind. Conflict exist from history which some of us are still pursued for - given some of my post here since 2002. :roll: Some of you would also remember Bad Boy from Lankan country and what I went through with him.

They have been birthed in places of "curse and damnation" which is enough for them to worry about that to come here to fight with a fellow hubber like myself. Then they wonder why their country ranks 114 and so on ...on the world peace list....to 120 when all the people look alike. :lol: :lol:

Dear goodsense,

Enough you people had a personal animosity and Prestige-fight here...

..We all...including you FIGHTERS.. have not come here to add up our worries and problems...

But to spend our time usefully effectively and meaningfully...

...EARNING PLEASURE by means of this Forum-meet.

Am I correct or Not?

So please IGNORE the unexpected qualities of others...

...and prove yourselves as Gentlemen.. by means of your next step...

...HEALTHY AND EXEMPLARY..

.No more Diversions and Digressions please... Dear Friends.
.

goodsense

7th June 2007, 08:30 PM

Yes Sudhaama Sir. You are right. For the same reasons, I didn't want to log here this morning. I suspected I would ruin my holi day. But how couldn't I? But now hope to observe the rest of it as such (holi).

Sudhaama

7th June 2007, 11:21 PM

.
.Unique God's Land.. SAUDI ARABIA.!!

(1) It is the Islamic country.. ruled by Monarchy.. the King.

(2) All the Government Laws conform to Islamic Doctrines.. as per the holy Koran.

(3) Punishment to the Defaulters are meted out by Fatwa.. the Islamic Law... which are very severe.

(4) Persons and Articles can be safe easily... No theft or Pick -pocketing.. or Quarrel of any sort...

...if any is found as Thief... His/her Hand is CUT OFF.

(5) No Cinema halls, Drama or Music or some such Public Entertainments permissible in the whole country...

.. but TV and Radio are allowed.

(6) Silence Silence...Pin-drop Silence everywhere always.

(7) No religious Books or God's Pictures or Prayer Audio, Video, or Books of other Religions allowed entry. Right at the Customs Gate... they will be snatched and discarded.

Religous practices of Non-Islamic.. even wearing Viboothi or Pottu...Not allowed.

(8) Foreign Magazines like Life, Times, Kumudam, Vikatan etc. can be received...

... but if any Lady's pictures found they will be BLACKENED.

(9) Ladies are not allowed to drive Cars... but with special permission for American Ladies.

(10) Every street has a minimum of one Mosque. Six times Namaz... called SALAH for about 20 minutes each...

...Prayer loudly amplified by speakers.

..During such Salah... all activities everywhere around comes to a stand-still... including Street traffic.

...Office visitors too are sent out.. during Salah..including Post Offices and Govt. offices. They have to visit again after Salah.

(11) Non-citizen Ladies should not become pregnant while at Saudi. If it happens to become pregnant, they have to quit soon, before advanced stage. Because foreigners... even Muslims... are not allowed to get citizenship under any circumstance.

(12) Foreigners cannot do Business independantly... but only with the Partnership of the National citizen...

...as is the case in Kashmir in India.

(13) More than four persons assembly on the Roads are Not allowed.

(14) Alcohol is Strictly forbidden. If anybody is found under intoxication, punishment is severe.

(15) But on the whole...a PEACEFUL COUNTRY... with the LEAST CRIMES in the World.
.

Roshan

8th June 2007, 12:00 AM

Sudhaama

8th June 2007, 12:43 AM

.

(11) Non-citizen Ladies should not become pregnant while at Saudi. If it happens to become pregnant, they have to quit soon, before advanced stage. Because foreigners... even Muslims... are not allowed to get citizenship under any circumstance.

Completely wrong information !!! My cousin became pregnant when she was in KSA, stayed their right through out her pregnancy and deliverd the baby there and visited Sri Lanka only when my nephew was 2 years old. Same was the case with one of my friends sister. There is no such rule at all.

Anyway, citizenship is not granted to any body even for Muslims for obvious reasons ;) Same rule is applicable in UAE.

What I said is...NOT WRONG... Such Law existed when I was there during 1990's... I don't know later.

During my employment there I know several cases who were forcibly deported because of pregnancy.

One couple... both Husband and wife employed as Hospital Nurses.. were given employment on prior Affidavit that the Lady should not become pregnant while at Saudi.

And unexpectedly when she became pregnant... she had to return to India... only for delivery

May be in some cases exceptionally they grant permission to deliver at Saudi.
.

Chappani

8th June 2007, 02:21 AM

Sudhaama

8th June 2007, 03:45 AM

Dear Sir Sudhama,

Please update yourself with the latest trends in that country before posting the facts. There are amendments happening everywhere, so facts keep changing.

It would also be great if you post such things in the history section as historical reference...

somehow I feel you are very critical of Saudhi Arabia. For me customs, traditions, laws can be best appreciated/ criticised relatively as its more to do with the local environment, people, culture, Education, Climate, way of living etc, same holds good for religion/ food/ cloting etc. My point is comparing different nations doesn't really make sence and lead us anywhere especially by people outside that country, however it does make sence and is welcome if people inside that compare and comeout with changes...

Just to give an example: British banned Bharatanatyam labelling it as obscene, but we reviewed and got it back after independence, coz we thought its something very good...
Thanks,
Srini

What I have to say... and How?... I have to decide myself...

Everyone has got his/her own way of presentation.

Thiis is just a FORUM OF FRIENDLY MEET... Not a Lecture Hall. So I do not put forth any Lecture here...

Whatever I know and opine... I am putting forth here. I am not presenting a Thesis nor any Research finding.

So I anticipate and invite others to put forth theirs too...

...such that by totality for a Third person, it will become comprehensive and complete...

...in the Commonman's interest.

I do not relish nor interested in Arguments nor Debates here...

...but only Friendly discussions... Exchange of thoughts...

..which is the scope and purview of this Global Online Forum.

To believe or disbelieve my words...

...it is left to the respective viewers discretion.
.

Braandan

8th June 2007, 05:52 AM

And Braandan, if you not a white man, may I ask bluntly, what did you mute with to look so English if that's your true picture in avatar? Considering too, someone in this hub had said English men are ugly.

Today is suppose to be a holi day for me, but you have already spoiled it, so I might as well...

hahaha.. first of all my avatar is not my photograph. It is a photograph of a great man whom I admire. And surely he is not English. He belongs to AndhraPradesh in India. He died 3 months ago in Italy. You have very least general knowledge...

There is no rule in forumhub that your avatar photo should be your own photo!!!

goodsense

8th June 2007, 06:12 AM

DIGR.

If you were born, raised and educated in another country, you will be regarded the same - as you put it "least general knowledge". So what's the point? If you are trying to say he is a popular figure, how do you expect one like me to know him? Others would, if he is popular figure. If not who can prove or disprove what you claimed? :o Surprise to know a man looking like that hails from AP (Southern India). :oops:

Indeed, there is no rule as to what you put in your avatar. I said this long before. But it is often misused to misrepresent. The very reason hubbers masquerade so much here. But there is no coincidence in the history of your post, the name you selected "Brandaan" and your tone of writing in which your mentality comes across, all give you away. But you are still trying to doidge the fact. If you have some European blood (I suspect to be English), that would make sense, but why try to hide it all. You may be able to fool some people, not all.

There are people in the hub using pictures of others they admire, but they never misrepresented themselves to be put to questioning. We knew it is someone elses picture.

I overspent time here today which was never expected like researching the accused in the other thread and I am quite exhausted from it all. Don't know what to think anymore with all of it put together (that, what I read and see here and what I am told)in analysing the Indian nation. :sigh2: :fatigue:

Braandan

8th June 2007, 07:24 AM

(engirundu pudichinnu vandaanga intha ammaavai!!!ippadiyum ulakathile Brahmanudaya padaippaa?..)

goodsense,
The word "Braandan" in my mother tongue means "mad man". Surely I am so, trying to reply to your mad posts!!!

Roshan

8th June 2007, 10:08 AM

Roshan

8th June 2007, 10:14 AM

goodsense

8th June 2007, 11:16 AM

Funny enough, though I don't understand that language, I expected this kind of response and from this same person. I was very close. and would be 100% had I known the language. Had to decide whether to ignore or cut off the ..., but had to say it first since the prediction is so, so accurate for my understanding. It's like knowing what's there and deciding whether to look to confirm it or just ignore it, don't bother to confirm based on the importance of these people.

During my years on this hub, I have made all kinds of observations, though silent about most of them. There is nothing that anyone can say that I haven't thought about. Some I will take to my grave, they just can't be discussed.

No wonder Caesar made the statement " those people can't rise from their miserable origin, we are of the same stock, but we are different, we live on the same street, but in different worlds" (go back and check it). What goes on in part of the hub and with some people, are good examples of it, then they wonder about the ranking? It will be like that next year, the year after and the year..... Please don't take me down that path.

Braandan

11th June 2007, 10:20 AM

oru nalla thread discussions odi kondu irunthaal pOthum.. intha pombale vanthu athai naasam paNNi niruthi vittudavaa.. ithukkoru vidivu kaalamillayaa?

goodsense

11th June 2007, 06:27 PM

Go back and read what was said about hiding your European side. What for? Wrongful gains? Will only last for some time and only on this hub. Keep on living in that world, only fooling yourself. In your earlier time here, when someone challenged you on the same front,
you had no defense.

You did your thing in the joke thread which you admitted to here, then you play innocent. You should have thought about this before. Why complain now? You never seems to learn. When you start something that is not justified, you have no right to determine where it ends.

Rocky_

12th June 2007, 03:17 AM

Um....Can anyone let us know abt Spain?

Transportation Services, Can we get by with English?, Racism, etc

Sudhaama

12th June 2007, 07:29 AM

[quote="Rocky_"]Um....Can anyone let us know abt Spain?

Transportation Services, Can we get by with English?, Racism, etc[/quote

When I visited European countries... one truth I could learn...

...the so called WORLD-LANGUAGE... English is least known to most of the well-educated Executives too in those various countries...

..unlike the Asian and African countries... where we can manage with English alone...

..irrespective of the Local Language.

But other than the multifareous Local languages...the similar Common Language known to the Elite sections of the peoples of

...almost all the European countries is... FRENCH.

In Spain...other than Spanish... one can manage with French, Portugese in general...

..and... because some Spanish Entrprenaurs are having Business contacts with Mexico and USA...

...in the Business Circle in some Cities, American English too is prevalent.
.

goodsense

12th June 2007, 08:29 AM

What I saw was that the people speaking French, Spanish, Italian or even Portuguese, all understood one another. It's like Hindi and Urdu....

For me, Spanish taken as a second language, makes it easy for me to follow and ask questions in Spanish. No need to push the English. But what I noticed when I was in France, the people just don't want to respond to English, though they know English.

To assist me in the different European countries, I took out my little multilingual European pocket dictionary which was quite useful.

buddysathi

12th June 2007, 08:29 AM

1st time visiting this thread..
Sorry Guys to digress , but why the poll does not include India in - HAPPIEST People in the WORLD - Nations Today ? any specific reasons?

Sudhaama

12th June 2007, 10:16 AM

1st time visiting this thread..
Sorry Guys to digress , but why the poll does not include India in - HAPPIEST People in the WORLD - Nations Today ? any specific reasons?

Oh ! Is it so?...You mean ...the Happiest People in the World are Indians in India.!!

If you opine so.. Welcome... You have an Option as...

... SOME OTHER NATION.. where you can vote..

..and elaborate ..how and why you feel so.

Let us learn from you...

...the Solitary MEAK-VOICE of glee...

...amongst a Large Lamenting Indian Crowd... Pitiable.!!
.

Sudhaama

12th June 2007, 10:39 AM

.

.... But what I noticed when I was in France, the people just don't want to respond to English, though they know English.

England is the close Neighbour for France...just at about six miles.

And most of the educated people in France cities know English too in addition to their National Language, French.

But it is well known popular News... that French people do not relish to talk in English...

... not even to respond..even though they understand English.

Rather they would prefer to reply in any other European Language like German, Italian, Spanish, Portugese etc... if they know.

.. but NOT IN ENGLISH... even if they know...

I too noticed this strange fact in France... including the Cosmopolitan City Paris.

..Reason.??? ... Answer :-- G.A.K ( God Alone Knows.!!)
.

goodsense

12th June 2007, 10:55 AM

It happened to me in Paris too and that was in the early 90s. I understand the reason to be the historic conflicts between England and France especially since world war 11. As a national residing here in English/French Canada for so many years, I understand it even more.

There is some bit of English spoken in major cities, but France, no. Don't know how it is now in Paris or other parts of France.

dev

12th June 2007, 11:11 AM

podalangai

12th June 2007, 05:11 PM

And most of the educated people in France cities know English too in addition to their National Language, French.
In Paris, yes most do. Outside, only the younger people know English, even in cities. Even highly educated people, in my experience, don't know English well enough to hold a conversation. In the university where I am a visiting lecturer, none of the senior faculty can speak English.

But it is well known popular News... that French people do not relish to talk in English...
... not even to respond..even though they understand English.
This is very true of Paris. But elsewhere in France, I've found that if you make an effort and try to speak French, they very quickly start speaking English to you if they know it.

Anoushka

12th June 2007, 05:37 PM

Um....Can anyone let us know abt Spain?

Transportation Services, Can we get by with English?, Racism, etc

Rocky: I've been to Barcelona and Madrid and I have no Spanish! we got by fine with English :) Transportation is quite good in both Barcelona and Madrid and we didn't have any problems travelling locally. Didn't think there was any racism - but then we were tourists and were there only for a short while.

Food is excellant and they give big portions :slurp: .

Nearly all souvenir shops in Barcelona are run by Indians!

I hope you are not a vegetarian, my veggie friend had some problems gettin veggie food... now this was atleast 5 years ago, things might have changed now!

I am not sure which part of Spain you are asking about, I know that all the holiday resorts are OK language-wise as most of the British/Irish spend their sun holidays in Spain!

azhagi

12th June 2007, 10:46 PM

1st time visiting this thread..
Sorry Guys to digress , but why the poll does not include India in - HAPPIEST People in the WORLD - Nations Today ? any specific reasons?

I am also quite new here.Most Indians who have left India years back,don't have a clue of what is going on in India now.Infact,sometimes,I feel that even though we are interacting in an Indian forum,we forget that we are Indians most of the time and even forget that a country like India exists!

Well,this is my humble opinion. I am sorry if I have hurt anyone's feelings.

Rocky_

13th June 2007, 12:28 AM

When I visited European countries... one truth I could learn...

...the so called WORLD-LANGUAGE... English is least known to most of the well-educated Executives too in those various countries...

..unlike the Asian and African countries... where we can manage with English alone...

..irrespective of the Local Language.

But other than the multifareous Local languages...the similar Common Language known to the Elite sections of the peoples of

...almost all the European countries is... FRENCH.

In Spain...other than Spanish... one can manage with French, Portugese in general...

..and... because some Spanish Entrprenaurs are having Business contacts with Mexico and USA...

...in the Business Circle in some Cities, American English too is prevalent.

Oh..ok..so I guess we need Guides if we want to visit it, and can't just roam around on our own. :(

podalangai

13th June 2007, 12:30 AM

1st time visiting this thread..
Sorry Guys to digress , but why the poll does not include India in - HAPPIEST People in the WORLD - Nations Today ? any specific reasons?
Well, I thought it was because this thread was titled "Peep into FOREIGN NATIONS..!!..??" and most of us don't consider India a "foreign" nation (which is also why there've been nearly no discussions of the merits and demerits of India in this thread). At least, that's why I've not been bringing India up.

Anoushka

13th June 2007, 12:33 AM

Rocky_

13th June 2007, 12:34 AM

Rocky: I've been to Barcelona and Madrid and I have no Spanish! we got by fine with English :) Transportation is quite good in both Barcelona and Madrid and we didn't have any problems travelling locally. Didn't think there was any racism - but then we were tourists and were there only for a short while.

Food is excellant and they give big portions :slurp: .

Cool! So I guess the Big Cities are okay. :) But Rural parts, Just like anywhere else, one needs to know the native lang.

Nearly all souvenir shops in Barcelona are run by Indians!

:lol: Wow! :shock:

I am not sure which part of Spain you are asking about, I know that all the holiday resorts are OK language-wise as most of the British/Irish spend their sun holidays in Spain!

oh ok...well..I've always wanted to visit these small rural towns in Europe which has buildings and houses which are hundreds of years old in which ppl still live in, the locals know everyone who lives there, their Tradition goes back hundreds of years, where we can get authentic taste of the soil kinda food. etc. :P

Rocky_

13th June 2007, 12:37 AM

not true Rocky Smile check my post on Spain... I've been to Spain and have had a great time without any guides.... actually true for any European Country! (France, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Portugal - the whole load of them!)

:D That's like the best way to tour around a country. 8-) We get to choose what we want to see, not the guide.

What European Countries speak English as their Native Tounge?

Anoushka

13th June 2007, 01:10 AM

Rocky: I don't think there is any European country that (other than UK & Ireland) speaks English as their native tongue - not that I know of anyway. Even in countryside Ireland I've heard that they speak Irish... the same with the Welsh!

But you can manage anywhere in Europe with just English. :)

Rocky_

13th June 2007, 01:57 AM

That's good to hear. :D

goodsense

13th June 2007, 01:59 AM

Anoushka

13th June 2007, 02:13 AM

I don't think there is any European country that (other than UK & Ireland) speaks English as their native tongue - not that I know of anyway.

They do speak English in Wales with the foreigners. I noticed in Venice too they do.

Sorry Amousk, for sure Wales in part of UK. Can't remember if they speak English in Edinborough, Scotland. It has been such a long time.

Sorry Goodsense: I should have explained better... I meant to say that English is not the mother tongue in Wales, though it is a part of UK. English is spoken in Edinburgh and Glasgow ....

In Wales, the names of places are very Welsh and most of the boards are in Welsh & English :)

Anoushka

13th June 2007, 02:14 AM

And Venice is touristy - English worked fine for me in Venice, just like any big European city :)

goodsense

13th June 2007, 02:20 AM

Well in my adventurous tour to Wales like other parts of Europe :) being "a good peeper", :lol: the Welsh had no difficulty speaking English to me. I was going the wrong way and a man in a car with couple of kids directed me in English. They spoke to me in English at the shops, the university of Cardiff where I visited etc. What was embarrassing for the man in the car was when his kids asked him "Dad is she a Paki"? The kids too spoke fluent English.

By the way, they speak English in Amsterdam, capital of Neitherlands and in the capital of Switzerland, Germany and Sweden.

Braandan

13th June 2007, 01:05 PM

how do you know English is spoken widely in Bern? have you gone there?

Selvam_mayyam

13th June 2007, 02:05 PM

how do you know English is spoken widely in Bern? have you gone there?

I'v been dere.. nt widely spoken.. sum f dem knw.. sum dont..

Anoushka

13th June 2007, 06:39 PM

Bern is another city we managed with just English (and Tamil in certain places... plenty of Srilankan Tamils all over!) :)

Sudhaama

19th June 2007, 04:16 AM

.
.What Can I take to US.?

Dear friends, I am going to U.S with my sis-in-laws children. They are going to stay with their mum there.
I am from Malaysia. I would be very greatful if anyone can guide me as to what food stuffs I can take from here.
My sis-in-law wants pineapple tarts, and garlic pickel.
Are we allowed to take them. Please kindly help me.
Thanks. Kavitha Ravi.

Hi Dear Kavitha,

Only now I saw this thread... and am replying immediately.

Here I am at USA... (since several years)... available to guide you.

As Mr Raj..(who is also put up at USA)... has rightly said...

..Normally FOOD ITEMS are barred not only to be brought into USA... through Passengers Luggage...

...but also a PROHIBITIVE STUFF... for carrying in the Plane too... in view of any probable Virus infection...Epidemics etc.. due to likely contamination..

...which risk no Government of any country is prepared to take.

So not only to America...but also to any Overseas country.. please don't plan to carry with you such questionable Articles..

The authorities have been vested with such discretionary powers to just discard and throw away any Food stuff...

...including FRUITS & VEGETABLES...

...if it is considered detrimental in their National interests.

..which in their opinion may cause Un-Hygenic condition... especially in the controlled AC atmosphere easily and fast... the stuff being wet.

However just for choice of personal preferences on taste and samples to be shown to your people at US...

...you may try to bring small quantities of DRY FOOD STUFFS... (similar to Biscuits)...

...such as MURUKKU, THATTAI, THAEN-KUZHAL, SEEDAI and the like...

...in Totally SEALED PACKS TRANSPARENT-PLASTIC Covers (Hermetically sealed Air-tight... which can be got done by any famous Sweet stalls)..

...through CHECK-IN Baggage... and NOT AS CABIN LUGGAGE.

But be prepared for REJECTION OF YOUR SUCH STUFF... at any stage.

Because person to person the discretions vary... although the Law is Uniform.

Normally Small Quantities as TEMPLE-PRASADAMS... or Gift--packs are allowed at their Free will... But NO GUARANTEE.

In most of the regions here where people of Indianistic-culture... like Malaysians, Srilankans, African Indians... apart from Indians from India... reside,

...we have adequate Indian Stores, where anything and everything of Kitchen-needs of Indian menu varieties... are available here...

..even Thinai-maavu, Chola-maavu, Kaezh-varahu maavu etc...

...apart from the popular main Food-Ingredients like Rice, Wheat, Dal etc...

...alongside Sambar-powder, Rasam Powder, Pickles, Appalam etc.

But it will be exhorbitantly costly here... please don't forget.

If You want you can bring reasonably small quantities of Sambar-powder, Rasam powder etc.. in the hermetically sealed Transparent plastic covers... with appropriate Labels pasted... stating clearly about the contents.

Which part of America.. You are visiting... is important... in this connection.

Because if it is New york , New Jersey...East-coast region... you can feel quite at ease...

...as of Indian atmosphere even in a foreign land.

And if it is West coast...especially California state.. Oh still more better...

...You will feel as if you are in India or Malaysia or Jaffna... since a lot of Indians, especially Tamilians, Telugus and Hindi-walas are put up here.

So there are facilities to grow and live as Indians... since the facilities for learning Tamil, Sanskrit, Hindi, Music, Bharatha-natyam, etc are available here...

...including good Restaurants.. where (for example) one Masala-dosa costs US$ 6.00 (about Rs. 250)

Tamlian Cultural programmes also are organised often at California state.

Most important... what you need here utmost...is the Mind to spend money liberally.

Yes.. This is America... one of the highly Rich Nations... rolling in Dollars.

So please bring with you such a Large-Heart and Liberal Mind.
.

An interesting Experience at USA... I quote here.

One of my friends went to a leading shop... to buy a Readymade shirt... and after much search and rejections...

..he picked up one Cotton shirt... at a cost of $65.00.

After returning home.. he proudly showed to his wife... and said..

"See what a nice Shirt.. I have got here!! Fantastic.!!... Is it possible to get such good stuff in India?"

Calmly the wife examined the new buy... and laughed...

"Oh my dear.. This is ..Made in India.. See the Label."

..You have bought this Shirt @ a rich price of Rs.2700.!!

. But I agree with you... I cannot get this Stuff @ this Golden price in India...

...but just @ Rs. 600 only there... being Cotton...

..Very cheap in India.. unlike US....being the Imported goods.
.

crazy

19th June 2007, 02:17 PM

Bern is another city we managed with just English (and Tamil in certain places... plenty of Srilankan Tamils all over!) :)

you can manage with english :roll: and tamil :? (and also hindi/ urdu bcoz of the large pakistani population) here in Oslo as well :)

Rocky_

20th June 2007, 12:31 AM

Sudhaama

20th June 2007, 02:56 AM

.
. Greatest amongst the Great Nations.?..U.S.A.!

http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?p=1078892&sid=0de9d0382bbc6d520a4c1e75b5a9413e#1078892
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Rocky_

20th June 2007, 10:22 PM

Sudhamma Ji, :)
I just wanted know which Countries in Asia saw the things that I had mentioned as "Acceptable" :)

Anoushka

21st June 2007, 02:34 AM

What countries in Asia have Adopted western Cultures?

I mean, in terms of Dating Culture, Premarital Sex, Acceptance to Western Culture, Acceptance to Homosexuality (this is unfair to expect :lol: even America doesn't have taht 100%), Women living on their own, etc etc

Rocky: Is there any reason you ask this question?

Women live on their own even in India.

Dating culture is getting common in India too.

And live-in relationship (in metros like Bombay, Bangalore) is increasing by the day.

Smoking and drinking among women has increased in cities like Bombay and Bangalore too.

bingleguy

21st June 2007, 02:52 AM

Wats Live-in relationship ????

Anoushka

21st June 2007, 03:25 AM

Vasanth: A live-in relationship is when a man and woman live together without getting married!

Rocky_

21st June 2007, 08:17 AM

Sudhaama

9th December 2007, 08:08 AM

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... Mysterical Rooms in Public places.!

In Middle-East counries i.e Gulf-countries... such as Saudi-Arabia, Dubai, Iran, Iraq, Egypt etc.... Arab speaking Nations...

..we can find in Public places like Air-port, Railway Stations, Hotels etc...

...Two adjacent Rooms named as HAMAM.!

What are those Rooms meant for?... Perhaps the Store Rooms for stocking Soaps?

Similarly in America (USA)... we can find such Rooms in public places mentioned as REST ROOM.!

Does it mean the Resting place or Retiring rooms... as we have in Railway stations in India.?

No. Not at all... Both these Rooms are meant as TOILETS..

In Arab Language... HAMAM means Toilet... So the Arab word is mentioned in English.

So also... to mean Toilet-Soap the Hamam brand soap was named so.

And in US... instead of calling as Toilet Room as in cases of British countries and Asian countries...

..they prefer to name it as REST ROOM.!!.
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a.singam

2nd January 2008, 09:36 PM

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.Legal RIGHT ... to... Commit SUICIDE.!

Holland was the first Country to enact a Law.... authorising any of its citizens to decide when to end their Lives... subject to prior sanction by the Government....

it is not according to any hindu philosophy. They are far away from it

HOLLAND ... a Peaceful country of SERENE Atmosphere...

... with Kind- hearted citizens supported by a highly People- sensitive Government. The reason can be found in uncountable Coffee Shops. I have been often there and will be there in february next. You know that Ganja is Indian origin. So India lives

Sudhaama

31st March 2008, 07:58 PM

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. "CHINDIA the Greatest Challenge to the World.!...

..Yes. Not only for us". said the Prime Minister of UK (England) recently.

What is CHINDIA.?.. China and India.

Why he says so.? What does he mean.?

In the Global Competitiion, a Hurdle- Race.. China and India are able to be the Top two Winners so far...

..Financially, Economically, Commercially [...and Technically too... of late.]

How could it be possible only by the CHINDIA.?

Because of the Rich HUMAN-RESOURCES...the Unparallel... in Large Numbers.. by the so called Heavy Population

... the Greatest Treasure... HUMAN-WISDOM... the Supreme Might on Earth.

But China is now STRUGGLING to persistently maintain that Number-One Top-most Winner status...

(1) ..because China's Population- Growth rate... is day by day DWINDLING...!

And the China's greatest Problem today is... huge Population of Senior-Citizens...

...Retired Seniors... who are no more useful for the Country... but only the Liability.!

...while the Younger generaton... the Real Assets to any Nation...

...is too meagre to meet their Competitive demands... even to the minimum in some cases.!

(2) The present Global demand for Communication and Employment is English Language...

...which the Chinese Politicians had hitherto relegated to the back...

..giving Priority to Chinese Language even for Advanced Education... as medium

...resulting in just Sub-standard Knowledge in Communication through English Language.

Besides even the present Chinese people who know English.. including the advanced levels...

...are mostly UNABLE TO CATCH the Pronunciations of the Global English-speaking people...

...nor able to pronounce correctly in reply... as stipulated by the English standard norms of any English speaking country.

So both the sides are UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND each other...

... although conversing in one and the same Language... English.!

So the Chinese lack of adequate knowledge in English Language hinders in Software and Advanced Science like Rockets and Nuclear Energy...

..in which aspect India is stronger than China...

..because.. India has not ignored the importance of the demands of the Indian Posterity.

So in the near future... India can be the...

... Topmost Challenge to the World.!!!

..Because of Mass POPULATION and ENGLISH Knowledge.!!!
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Sudhaama

10th April 2008, 04:45 PM

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.World ADVANCING Faster.! Health, Hygeine & Money.!!

...But Comparatively India with One Billion Population.?

http://in.news.yahoo.com/forbes/20080320/r_t_frbs_wl_us/twl-4795773-97cc074_1.html

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Sudhaama

2nd August 2008, 08:13 AM

crazy

2nd August 2008, 02:00 PM

:roll:

Sudhaama

3rd August 2008, 08:30 PM

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. Which sort of Economic- Policy will be the BEST.?

...Making RICHER.. either the Government or the People.?

Both these sorts of National Policies have been tried by different popular Nations in the World Today.

For example Switzerland, Japan, China, Singapore and Taiwan believe in making the individual Citizens RICHER...

...as more important than the approach of making the Nation (Government)Richer.

Whereas USA, Canada, France, Germany, India and UK believe in the Policy of making the Nation(Government) Richer...

...as more Important and Vital than making the Citizens with more Money-power.

Consequently we are able to compare NOW... the END-RESULT.!

In the Nations adopting the Economic Policy in giving priority to make the Citizens RICHER... are better PEACEFUL, LEAST PROBLEMS, Maximum Buying Power by the Citizens, Better Investment-Opportunities, NIL-POVERTY... etc.

..Whereas in some of the so called Rich Nations(Capitalist Countries)... there exist perennial Head-Aches to all concerned...

...like Poverty (Income far below the Subsistence Level) and Glaring Unemployment amongst certain sections of People, frequent Labour-Management problems, Unrest, Lack of Social-Peace etc...

..more than any amongst the other Sort of Nations... giving Priority to make the Individual Citizens Richer.

Thus we are able to get convinced that the Best Economic-Policy is to prioritise in making one and all the Citizens Richer...

...which alone can lead towards the Collective-Advancement...

... of the Nation and the People together... in all respects... within the shortest period EASILY...

...ensuring PEACEFUL AND HAPPY LIFE... for all..

..as we see Japan, Switzerland, Taiwan and Singapore today.
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In brief, it means... if the priority is to make the People richer...

...then the Government depends more on the People more for its function of Administration and Management...

Whereas if the Priority is to make the Government richer... by way of Taxes and Levies...

..then the People depend more on the Government...

...meaning the Government's SUPREMACY... more than the People...

... irrespective of System of rule as... either Democracy, Communism, Socialism or Monarchy.

And in such cases of Governments upper-hand... People tend to claim and find fault the Government...

..in return for the Taxes they pay... as a matter of their Right of claim.

But in case the People are made SELF-DEPENDANT by means of their individual Money-power...

... the Government's commitments and responsibilities are minimised...

..resulting in the least demands and Claims from the People... except theGovernments' basic role of governing Nation...

...confining to its main purviews of Rule of social-Law coupled with Peace... Overseas Trade... National defence... Social-protection, Justice and Conservancy... etc.

Especially the Spirit of TRUE DEMOCRACY and Freedom of the People... is more prominent... and TRULY EXISTS in such countries, (adopting the Economic Policy of Priority to make the People richer)

...so to say for example, in Switzerland, Singapore and Japan.!!!
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chevy

1st September 2008, 07:10 AM

A quite unheard of country, yet I would claim, the Sultanate of Oman is one of the most peaceful and happy countries of the world. It's is both out of experience and reference to facts.

Sudhaama

16th October 2009, 03:59 AM

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- Deepavali has become a FESTIVAL of GLOBAL SOCIETY.!!!

- US President Obama... Celebrates.

http://www.hindu.com/2009/10/16/stories/2009101660550100.htm

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Sudhaama

17th January 2010, 09:56 PM

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....Shifted...

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Ramona

18th January 2010, 12:25 AM

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- Deepavali has become a FESTIVAL of GLOBAL SOCIETY.!!!

- US President Obama... Celebrates.

http://www.hindu.com/2009/10/16/stories/2009101660550100.htm

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And so it is in the Canadian Parliament:

http://www.oyetimes.com/200910121777/news/south-asians-abroad/canadian-mps-celebrate-diwali.html

http://www.southasianfocus.ca/community/article/78341

Sudhaama

18th January 2010, 02:30 AM

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Most IMPORTANT MEANS... for... SUCCESS & HAPPINESS in Life.?

Message-Answers... from Different Nations.?

GOD-FAITH .. Say the People of Saudi Arabia.

MONEY - Say the People of USA - (America)

HUMAN-VALUES - Say the People of India

No doubt.. ALL these Three Vital POTENTIALITIES... are IMPORTANT for SUCCESS and HAPPINESS in anybody's L ife

But which is the MOST IMPORTANT ONE... amongst all these.?

By God's benign grace.. I have been previleged to reside and move about closely... with the People of all these Nations...

..and so can discuss in detail analytically.

My Dear Friends,

Please tell me... What is Your Answer.. for this Vital Question on Life.?

...as You have understood Life...?

.Thanks

Affectionately With Best Wishes,
Sudhaama
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Lambretta

18th January 2010, 08:47 PM

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Most IMPORTANT MEANS... for... SUCCESS & HAPPINESS in Life.?

Message-Answers... from Different Nations.?

GOD-FAITH .. Say the People of Saudi Arabia.

MONEY - Say the People of USA - (America)

HUMAN-VALUES - Say the People of India

Sorry but couldnt resist pointing this out - but MONEY is also the say of Prople of India right now.....only they r yet to be honest about saying it!

Sudhaama

8th March 2010, 09:15 PM

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Let us LEARN from Global-Wisdom.!

How EMULATIVELY... Foreign Nations have handled such Serious dispues.?

Commoners'... Social-experts Views.

SUB-QUOTAS... within Women's Quota. Political parties STUNT.!

Dispute prolonging for the past most more than FIFTEEN LONG YEARS.!...

...by Some vested Political Parties... run by INDIVIDUAL MONARCHY from behind.!

lalu and mulayam has a point.

The womens reservation bill should have reservations for dalits,backwards and muslim women.

Whats the use of sending a women from already liberated "class of women" to the parliament?

tommorow priyanka may become a minister..but is a big deal?

Well.!... Whatever is the present provision for MALE MEMBERS... can only be repeated for Women members too.... Is it not.?

Should it be more or different for Women.?

As Mr Karunanidhi has cleverly maintaining a stand...

...that Such SUB-QUOTA Factors... are the SUBSEQUENT Issues...

...deserving to be considered as the SECOND STEP...

...after the FIRST PROVISION of EQUALITY CONCEPT for Women in the Topmost body of the Nation.

If those political parties who are advocating for the interests of Muslims, SC, ST, BC, MBC etc...more vociferously than the other Political parties...

....REALLY MEAN and INTEND so....

..let them FIRST set an emulative example... by showing that spirit in action... WITHIN THEIR OWN PARTY POSTS... first....

...then in the selection of their Candidates for the Election too.

...before Preaching to other Political Parties...

....as well as the INTEGRAL Nation as well.!

Common Socioligists allege...that..

These Political parties are playing CHEAP POLITICS...

....GYMMICS to gain Quick Popularity....

....through BACK-DOORS....

...Since they are already losing their Foothold... amongst their Voters.... BITTERLY AND RAPIDLY...

....because of their PERSONALITY CULT... of their Monarchic Leaders.!

We the Commoners are unable to either DISBELIEVE...

....nor REFUTE such a POLITICAL REALITY in the Today India.
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In the Foreign Nations, in such cases...the opposition Political parties used to avail it as

...the BEST OPPORTUNITY to prove their MEANINGFUL and WORTHY PURPOSE of Existence for the Nation

...by challenging the Ruling party... on their Counter-proposal... trying to prove it BETTER.

So to mean... the Opposition party used to announce in their Supreme National body... in advance...

...and subsequently work out another proposal in lines of the respective political party's wishes... in the Common interests of the Nation.

.And in such cases the Ruling parties used to be left in an embarassing position.

Eventually the BEST NATIONAL PROPOSAL ONLY can get passed.

That is why in any and all the Foreign Nations of EMULATIVE REIGN....

...especially in USA, Canada, UK....

....NO SINGLE POLITICAL PARTY is able to DOMINATE over the Nation

...for long years... successively.

Thus Every Public Election used to be the TOUGH FIGHT.... between just Two or Three popular Political parties....

....giving every WISE opportunity for the People to chose the BEST amongst the Political Rulers available for them...

Let NOT the Indian Political parties... FOOL THE INDIAN PEOPLE... anymore.

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Sudhaama

2nd July 2010, 09:12 PM

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Indians bring Enterprise and Energy--

-- to Communities with their presence,

--and this works to "Everyone's benefit".

They are largely anchored in their homespun culture,

--but they are also respectful of American mores and morals, and laws as well.

They make the American tapestry more colourful, richer, and culturally more alive.

They are living the American Dream, but in their own special Indian way.

What's wrong with that?

This study was jointly prepared by the India-U.S. World Affairs Institute of Washington, the Robert H. Smith School of Business of the University of Maryland, and the Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce & Industry;

There is a cultural defensiveness among many Indians,

--but they bring enterprise and energy to communities with their presence, and this works to everyone's benefit.

There has been increasing angst and teeth-gnashing among Indians in the United States this week over a tongue-in-cheek essay by columnist Joel Stein in the international newsweekly, Time.

Mr. Stein ruefully talks about how his native Edison, a New Jersey community just across the Hudson River from New York City, has been transformed into a “Little India” —

--with the overpowering smells of Indian cuisine, the eclectic colours of Indian ethnicity, and the distinctive dialects of the subcontinent dominating what was once a largely Italian-American town.

The blogosphere has been ricocheting with rants against the writer, accusing him of prejudice or worse.

Time's editors subsequently said that the magazine — whose circulation is just under four million — did not intend to offend Indians.

I know Mr. Stein, and he's scarcely a racist; he has acknowledged that the presence of Indians has brought fresh prosperity and diversity to Edison. I am pretty sure that his piece was intended to be satirical, even if it wasn't especially felicitous.

Columnists, after all, are paid to be provocative; engendering offence is sometimes one of those unintended consequences of the trade.
An Indian friend, who lives in East Asia, put a healthy perspective on Mr. Stein's article after I had e-mailed it to her. “I was aware somewhere that I ought to be insulted as this guy is saying mean things about my countrymen and culture — but the piece is written with so much humour and candour that I could not help but see his point,” she said.

“I cannot help but see where he is coming from. It may not be balanced but brings out the feelings of so many. And somewhere along the line admits to being biased. I see why Time ran it!”

My own feeling is that Indians — especially those living and prospering abroad — often tend to be bereft of irony and a self-deprecating sense of humour; they are given to being far too readily offended as a tribe.

It may not quite be a “Masada Complex” — a feeling of being under siege — but there's a cultural defensiveness that I have sensed among many Indians -- I have known since I first landed in the U.S. as a student.

Of course, there are now many more Indians in America since my initial arrival in 1967. When I visited the U.S. — now my adopted country — not long ago for a major class reunion at Brandeis University near Boston and Cambridge, it struck me that just about every second person on the streets seemed to be of Indian origin. In my home city of New York, the situation was no less different.

Surely, I thought, America — a nation of 307 million — must profit substantially from the presence of these Indians,
--of whom there are now more than 2.5 million, a tenth of the global Indian Diaspora.

--As if by serendipity, I came across a study showing that indeed America does benefit handsomely –

--through the contributions of Indians, including businessmen, physicians, and high-technology entrepreneurs.

--it revealed that Indians are not only the most affluent and most educated--

-- of the scores of ethnic communities in the melting pot that's the U.S.,

--they are also rapidly becoming among the most significant investors in the American economy.[/b]

According to the report, 90 Indian companies made 127 greenfield investments worth $5.5 billion between 2004 and 2009, and created 16,576 jobs in the U.S.

During the same period, 239 Indian companies made 372 acquisitions in the U.S., creating more than 40,000 jobs. The total value of 267 (of the 372) acquisitions was $21 billion, or $78.7 million per acquisition. A “greenfield investment” is a form of foreign direct investment where a parent company starts a new venture in a foreign country by constructing new operational facilities from the ground up.

The study says that the five industrial sectors in the U.S. that received the most greenfield investment were metals; software and information technology services; leisure and entertainment; industrial machinery, equipment and tools; and financial services.

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The sums poured into these sectors accounted for almost 80 per cent of total greenfield investment. New Jersey — the State in which Edison is located---

--has been one of the top recipients of Indian investment.[b]

New Jersey schools and colleges also have among the largest number of the Indian students who come to the U.S. each year.
Overall, there are an estimated 94,563 students from India whose net contribution to the U.S. economy was $2.39 billion, according to the study.

In fact, students of Indian origin constitute 10 to 12 per cent of medical students entering U.S. schools, the new study says.
Furthermore, there are about 50,000 physicians (and 15,000 medical students) of Indian heritage in the American cities, and in rural areas.
New Jersey has its share of the so-called “Patel motels” too. There are currently almost 10,000 Indian American owners of hotels/motels in the U.S., owning over 40 per cent of all hotels in the country and 39 per cent of all guest rooms; the study says they own more than 21,000 hotels with 1.8 million guest rooms and property valued at $129 billion.

These Indian-owned facilities employ 578,600 workers.

The U.S. Census Bureau adds that there were 231,000 businesses owned by Indian Americans in 2002, which employed 615,000 workers and had revenues of over $89 billion. (The Census Bureau conducts the survey every five years, and the results of the 2007 survey will be available in a few days).

A study led by Vivek Wadhwa for Duke University and the University of California, Berkeley, found that--

--Indian immigrant entrepreneurs had founded more engineering and technology companies during 1995-2005

--than immigrants from Britain, China, Japan, and Taiwan combined.
Of all immigrant-founded companies, 26 per cent had Indian founders.

Which brings us back to Joel Stein's column and all the hullaballoo that it has generated. Edison, New Jersey, may not be a precursor of things to come —

--in other words, Indians are hardly about to demographically dominate small towns all across America; the country's immigration laws would work against that possibility. But--

Indians bring enterprise and energy to communities with their presence,

--and this works to everyone's benefit.

They are largely anchored in their homespun culture, but they are also respectful of American mores and morals, and laws as well.
They make the American tapestry more colourful, richer, and culturally more alive.

They are living the American Dream, but in their own special Indian way.

What's wrong with that?

(Pranay Gupte is a veteran international journalist and author.)

Courtesy: The Hindu.
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Sudhaama

7th August 2010, 07:03 AM

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American Senate resolution lauds Indian-Americans' contribution

The United States Senate has issued a resolution celebrating the upcoming 63rd anniversary of India’s independence.

Sponsored by Senator John Cornyn (Republican of Texas) and supported by Senator Christopher Dodd (Democrat of Connecticut), the resolution also celebrated the contributions of Americans of Indian descent to society in the United States.

In the resolution statement the Senate underscored that there were over 2 million such Indian-Americans and they had made lasting contributions in areas such as government, military and law enforcement offices.

Further the Senate affirmed that it remained committed to fostering and advancing the strategic relationship between the U.S. and India in the future.

In that regard the Senate reiterated the significance of areas of cooperation between the two countries including civilian nuclear power, counterterrorism, democracy promotion, regional economic development, human rights and scientific research.

Senator Cornyn played a key role in the creation of the Senate India Caucus in 2004. It is one of the first country-specific associations in the U.S. Congress.

Courtesy: THE HINDU

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Sudhaama

10th August 2010, 02:06 AM

. Let the World... LEARN from Malaysia.!

எங்கும் தூசுப்படலம்; தெருக்களில் வாரி இறைத்த குப்பை; ரோட்டில் வாகனங்களின் பேரிரைச்சல்; வாகன நெரிசலில் நீந்திக் கடக்க "ஹாரன் அடித்து' நொந்து போன மனம்...பிரச்னைகளில் சிக்கித் தவிக்கும் எண்ணங்கள்... இவற்றிலிருந்து விடுதலை கிடைக்குமா...என ஏங்கி தவிப்பவரா... நீங்கள்?

வசதியும் வாய்ப்பும் கிடைத்தால், மலேசியாவை எட்டிப்பார்த்து விட்டு வாருங்கள்.

எங்கும் பசுமை; எதிலும் பசுமை; கண்களுக்கு குளுமை; தூசுகளுக்கு குட்பை. 99.9 சதவீதம், "நோ ஹாரன்'...நேர்த்தியான ரோடுகளில் விரைவாக செல்லும் லாவகம். பூலோகத்தின் சொர்க்கத்திற்கு வந்து விட்டோமோ என எண்ணத் தோன்றும்

சில விநாடிகள்."சலாமத் டடாங்' என வரவேற்புடன், இனிமையான கனிவான மலேசிய ஏர்லைன்ஸ் விமான சேவை. விருந்தோம்பலை முன்னிறுத்தி, கனிவான பேச்சில் கவர்கிறது. விமான நிலையத்தை தொடும்போதே, பிரமாண்டத்தை கொட்டிக்காட்டுகிறது கோலாலம்பூர் சர்வதேச விமான நிலையம். 60க்கும் மேற்பட்ட நாடுகளுக்கு விமான சேவை செய்து வருகிறது. இன்னும் விரிவாக்கம் செய்து கொள்ள 10 ஆயிரம் எக்டேர் நிலப்பரப்பை கொண்டுள்ளது.

எல்லா நாடுகளிலும் அடர்ந்த வனப்பகுதியில் விமான நிலையம் இருக்கும். ஆனால், இங்கோ விமான நிலையத்தில் வனத்தை உருவாக்கியுள்ளனர். நாடு முழுவதும் சுற்றி வாங்க நினைக்கும் பொருட்களை இங்கேயே வாங்கிக் கொள்ளலாம். விமான நிலையம் மட்டுமல்ல; பெரிய "ஷாப்பிங்' சென்டரே உள்ளது. நேர்த்தியாகவும், அழகாகவும் வடிவமைக்கப்பட்டுள்ள கடைகள் ஏராளம். சர்வதேச அளவில் எந்த உணவாக இருந்தாலும் அதுவும் விமான நிலையத்திலேயே கிடைக்கும். வந்து செல்லும் பயணிகளின் விரைவுக்கு ஏற்ப ஆங்காங்கே "லிப்ட்', தானியங்கி ஏணிப்படிகள் (எலிவேட்டர்) வசதிகள் உண்டு. புத்தம் புதியது போன்று எப்போதும் மின்னுகிறது விமான நிலையம்; அவ்வளவு சுத்தம்.

மலேசியாவுக்குள் நுழைந்து விட்டாலே... பிரமாண்டங்களை காண முடியும்.

ரோட்டில் செல்லும்போதே இருபுறமும் பசுமையை கண்குளிர காணலாம். ரோடுகள் சுத்தமாகவும், நேராகவும், அகலமுள்ளதாகவும் உள்ளன.ரோட்டில் பயணிக்க ஆசையும் ஆர்வமும் நிச்சயம் இருக்கும். ஒவ்வொரு வாகனங்களுக்கும் இடைவெளி இருக்கும். முடிந்தவரை ரோடுகளின் குறுக்காக ரோடு அமைவதை தவிர்த்துள்ளனர். தேவையான இடங்களில் சிக்னல்களை அமைத்துள்ளனர். டிராபிக் போலீசையும் கூட காண்பது அரிது. ரோடுகளை கடப்போருக்கு உரிய மரியாதை கொடுக்கின்றனர் வாகன ஓட்டுனர்கள். வாகனத்தில் செல்வோர் பொறுமையை கையாள்வது வியப்பிற்குரியது.

விமான நிலையத்திலிருந்து 20 நிமிட பயணத்தை அடுத்தே, கோலாலம்பூரை தொட முடியும். நகருக்குள் நுழைந்ததுமே கோலாகலம் தொடங்கி விடும்.

அமைதியான, அழகாக வடிவமைக்கப்பட்ட கோலாலம்பூரில் பார்க்க வேண்டிய இடங்கள் நிறையவே உள்ளன.

மூன்று கோடிக்கும் குறைவான மக்கள் தொகை கொண்ட இந்த நாட்டில், அடிப்படை கட்டமைப்பு வசதிகள் வியக்க வைக்கின்றன.

ஆட்சியாளர்களின் திட்டமிடும் திறனும், அதை செயல்படுத்தும் வேகமும் நாட்டை வேகமாக முன்னேற வைத்திருக்கிறது.

எப்போதும், என்றும் கட்டுமான பணிகள் தொடர்ந்து கொண்டே உள்ளன.முன்னேறிய நாடுகளை பார்த்தால், அங்கு என்ன சிறப்பம்சம் இருக்கிறது என்பதையெல்லாம் ஒவ்வொரு நாடாக சென்று பார்த்த மலேயர்கள், அவற்றை தங்களது நாட்டில் ஏற்படுத்த முனைந்துள்ளனர். உலகையே சுற்றிப்பார்ப்பதும், மலேசியாவை சுற்றிப்பார்ப்பதும் சமமாக கருதலாம்.

இந்திய, சீனா, மலேய மக்கள் அதிகம் வசிக்கின்றனர். இந்த மக்களிடையே எவ்வித இன பாகுபாடும் வேறுபாடும் கிடையாது; போராட்டங்கள் குறைவு. ஒரே மலேசியா (1எம்) என்ற உத்வேகம் இவர்களிடையே உண்டு. வேகமாக முன்னேற்றங்கள், திட்டமிடலில் மட்டுமே வந்துள்ளது.

மலேசியாவின் பொருளாதாரம், விவசாயத்தின் அடிப்படையில் இருந்தது; தற்போதோ தலைகீழாக மாற்றப்பட்டு விட்டது. இன்ஜினியரிங் உற்பத்தி, பெட்ரோலிய ஏற்றுமதி, சுற்றுலா, விவசாயம் என முக்கிய வருவாய் தரும் இனங்கள் உள்ளன. எதில் எளிதாக வருவாய் ஈட்ட முடியும் என்பதை அறிந்து, அதில் முன்னேற்றத்தை காண்பிக்கின்றனர். உலகெங்கிலிருந்தும் மலேசியாவின் அழகை கண்டு ரசிக்க வேண்டும் என்ற எண்ணம், அதற்கேற்ற திட்டமிடல்; அவற்றை செயல்படுத்துதல் போன்றவை வருவாயை உயர்த்தியுள்ளன. மலேசியாவில் பார்க்க வேண்டிய இடங்கள் ஏராளம்... ஓரிரு நாட்களில் எல்லாவற்றையும் பார்த்து முடித்து விட முடியாது; ஓரிரு மாதங்கள் வேண்டும். ஒவ்வொரு பகுதியிலும் சில நாட்களை செலவிட வேண்டும்.

பெட்ரோனாஸ் இரட்டை கோபுரம்: நகரின் நடுவே உலகின் அதிசயம்..."கோலாலம்பூர் பெட்ரோனாஸ்' என்ற இரட்டை கோபுரம். உலகிலேயே உயரமான கோபுரம். 451.9 மீட்டர் உயரம் உள்ள இந்த கோபுரம், 88 அடுக்குகளை கொண்டது. 41, 42வது தளங்களில், இரு கோபுரங்களையும் இணைக்கும் பாலம் உள்ளது. இந்த பாலமே நில மட்டத்திலிருந்து, 557 அடி உயரத்தில் (170 மீ) அமைக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது. அமெரிக்காவில் இருந்த உலக வர்த்தக மைய கோபுரம் அழிந்த பின், இதுவே உலகின் பிரமாண்டமாக கருதப்படுகிறது. தினமும் 1700 பேர் மட்டுமே இந்த கோபுரத்திற்குள் சென்று வர அனுமதி உண்டு. இந்த இரட்டை கோபுரம் அமைந்துள்ள 17 ஏக்கர் பரப்பளவில், பல்வேறு ஷாப்பிங் காம்ப்ளக்ஸ் உள்ளன. இரட்டை கோபுரத்திற்கு அருகிலேயே பிரமாண்டமான மீன் காட்சியகத்தை அமைத்துள்ளனர். உள்ளே நுழைந்ததும், கடலுக்குள் சென்று விட்ட பிரமிப்பை ஏற்படுத்தும். இந்த அமைப்பிற்குள் 300 வகையான உயிரினங்கள் இடம் பெற்றுள்ளன. 60 ஆயிரம் சதுர அடிப்பரப்பில் இடம் பெற்றுள்ளது.90 மீட்டர் தூரத்திற்கு நீருக்கடியில் நீளும் குகை அமைப்பில், நின்று கொண்டால் போதும், கீழ் உள்ள நகரும் அமைப்பு, முழுவதுமாக சுற்றிக் காண்பித்து விடும். அத்தனை மீன் வகைகள் மற்றும் கடல் வாழ் உயிரினங்களை கண்டு ரசிக்க முடியும்.

அருங்காட்சியகம் ஸ்ரீபடானா: கோலாலம்பூரில் எழில் மிக்க ஒரு மாளிகை ஸ்ரீபடானா. முன்னாள் பிரதமர் வசித்த மாளிகையை, இப்போது அருங்காட்சியமாக்கி விட்டனர். 50 ஆண்டு சுதந்திர தினத்தை பறைசாற்றும் நாணயத்தின் படத்தையும் ஓவியமாக வரைந்து பார்வைக்கு வைத்துள்ளனர். பார்லிமென்டில் உள்ள 228 உறுப்பினர்களின் பலத்தையும் உயர்த்திக் காட்டும் கை அமைப்பு அனைவரையும் கவர்கிறது.

பவுலியன்: கோலாலம்பூரின் மற்றொரு அம்சம், "பவுலியன்' என்ற ஷாப்பிங் காம்ப்ளக்ஸ். இங்கு அனைத்து வகை பொருட்களும் விற்பனைக்கு வைத்துள்ளனர். அழகாகவும் நேர்த்தியாகவும், இடவசதியுடன் அமைந்துள்ள இக்கடைகளில், பொருட்களையும் அழகுடன் காட்சிப்படுத்தியுள்ளனர். ஷாப்பிங் செய்வதற்கென்றே "மெகா சேல்' திட்டத்தை, மலேசிய சுற்றுலா வளர்ச்சி வாரியத்துடன் இணைந்து நடத்தினர். ஜூலை மாதம் துவங்கிய இந்த "மெகா சேல்' தள்ளுபடி விற்பனை உலக நாடுகளையும் கூட எட்டிப் பார்க்க வைக்கும். 20 சதவீதம் முதல் 70 சதவீதம் வரை பொருட்களுக்கு தள்ளுபடி அளிக்கின்றனர். கைவினைப்பொருள் கண்காட்சியும் அதற்கென அமைக்கப்பட்டுள்ள தனி அரங்கில் துவங்கியுள்ளது. மலேசிய நாட்டின் பாரம்பரியமிக்க கலை நயமுடன் உருவாக்கப்படும் பொருட்கள் இங்கு காட்சிப்படுத்தியுள்ளனர்.

சன்வே பிரமிட்: சிங்க முகம் கொண்ட மாபெரும் ஷாப்பிங் காம்ப்ளக்ஸ், சன்வே பிரமிட். நான்கு தளங்களைக் கொண்ட இந்த காம்ப்ளக்ஸ், அழகாக வடிவமைக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது. வெளிப்புறத்தோற்றம், உட்புறத்தோற்றம் இரண்டிலுமே கவனமுடன் வடிவமைத்துள்ளனர்.

மலாக்கா: கோலாலம்பூரிலிருந்து மலாக்கா செல்வது எளிதானது; மலேசியா அமைத்துள்ள நீண்ட தூர "ஹைவே' ரோட்டில், மணிக்கு 100 கி.மீ.,வேகத்திற்கும் மேல் பறக்க முடியும். நேர்த்தியான ரோட்டில், விரைவாக செல்லலாம். ரோடுகளில் குறுக்கீடுகள் கிடையாது; யாரும் கடப்பதும் இல்லை. விலங்கினங்கள் கூட இந்த "ஹைவே'யில், குறுக்கிடாது. பழமையான, பழம்பெரும் நகரம் மலாக்கா. 15ம் நூற்றாண்டில், மலேசிய நாட்டின் வர்த்தகம் இங்கு நடந்ததற்கான சான்றுகள் பல உள்ளன. பிரிட்டிஷ் ஆதிக்கத்தில் இருந்த இந்த நகரத்தை, "மலேசியாவின் வெனிஸ்' என அழைக்கின்றனர். 1500ம் ஆண்டுகளில், சுல்தான்கள் ஆட்சி இருந்தது. இதற்கான கோட்டை இடம் பெற்றுள்ளது. இந்த நகரில், புகழ் பெற்ற பானம் சென்டால். இந்த பானம், ஐஸ் கட்டிகளை உடைத்துபோட்டு, தென்னங்கருப்பட்டியை கலந்து தயாரிக்கின்றனர். மரத்தால் ஆன மாளிகை, இங்கே மன்னர்கள் சொகுசாக வாழ்ந்த வரலாற்றைக் கூறுகிறது. மன்னர்களின் படுக்கை அறைகளில், பட்டத்து அரசியே ஆனாலும் அனுமதியின்றி நுழைய முடியாது என்பதை சுட்டிக் காட்டியுள்ளனர்.

பழம்பெரும் நகரமாக உள்ள இந்த மலாக்காவில், உள்ள அருங்காட்சியகத்தில், தமிழக மக்கள் பயன்படுத்திய பொருட் களை போன்றே பல உள்ளன. தமிழ் மக்கள் வாழ்ந்ததற்கான சான்றாக இது திகழ்கிறது. சைக்கிள் முதல் இட்லி பாத்திரம் வரை பல வகை பொருட்களும் அருங்காட்சியகத்தில் இடம் பெற்றுள்ளன. இந்த அருங்காட்சியகமும் பார்த்து ரசிக்க வேண்டிய இடம். ஒவ்வொரு பொருளும் ஒரு சரித்திரம் சொல்வதாக முக்கியத்துவம் பெற்றுள்ளது. நம்ம ஊரில் காணாமல்போன சைக்கிள் ரிக்ஷா சவாரியை அங்கு சுற்றுலா சவாரியாக்கியுள்ளனர். ரிக்ஷா முழுவதும் செயற்கை மலர் அலங்காரம் செய்து, அதில், பாடல் ஒலிபரப்பி, அழகாக ஒரு கி.மீ., தூரத்தை வட்டமிட்டு காட்டுகின்றனர். இதில், சவாரி செய்வதே ஒரு சிறப்பான அனுபவம் எனலாம்.

ஈபோ லாஸ்ட்வேர்ல்ட்: ஈபோ நகரில் உள்ள "லாஸ்ட் வேர்ல்டு'க்குள் நுழைந்து விட்டால், பல பல ஆச்சரியரிங்கள் காத்திருக்கின்றன. நுழை வாயிலில் ஆளுயர பூனை சிலைகள் வரவேற்கின்றன. இந்த பூனை சிலைகளை தெய்வமாகவும் இப்பகுதியினர் கருதுகின்றனர். "லாஸ்ட் வேர்ல்டு' என்ற தீம் பார்க்கிற்குள் நுழைந்து விட்டால், உங்களையே இழந்து விடுவீர்கள்; அவ்வளவும் அதிசயம். இங்கு மட்டும் ஒரு நாள் முழுவதும் செலவிடலாம். மலைப்பகுதியை ஒட்டியுள்ள இப்பகுதியில், சுடுநீர் ஊற்றை உணரலாம். "ஊசிமலை' என்பதை நேரடியாக காண முடியும் இங்கே...ஆங்கிலத்தில் "நீடில் ராக்' என அழைக்கின்றனர். அழகு சூழ்ந்த சோலையில் இந்த ஊசிமலை அமைந்துள்ளது. இங்கு, இன்னும் சில அடி தூரத்தில் புலியை நேரில் பார்க்கலாம். ஜாலியாக உலா வரும் ஐந்து புலிகள், மிக அருகில் காணும் வாய்ப்பு இந்த உயிரியல் பூங்காவில் மட்டுமே காண முடியும். இன்னும் பல அதிசய பறவைகள், குட்டை ரக கோழி, முயல், எலி வகைகள் என அதிசய உலகம்..."லாஸ்ட் வேர்ல்டி'ல் உள்ளது. ஜாலியாக விளையாடவும், தண்ணீரில் துள்ளி குதித்து மகிழவும் அதிசய உலகம் இங்கு மட்டுமே உள்ளது.

"ஏ பாமஸா' ரிசார்ட்: மலாக்கா அருகே உள்ள பந்தர் ஹிலரில் "ஏ பாமஸா' ரிசார்ட்...மிகவும் சொகுசானது. இந்த ரிசார்ட்டை சுற்றிலும் கண்களுக்கு எட்டிய தூரம் வரை பசுமையை மட்டுமே காண முடியும். மாலை நேரங்களில், கோல்ப் விளையாட, இயற்கையான புல் தரைகள் உள்ளன. பல ஏக்கர் நிலங்களில் அமைந்துள்ள இந்த ரிசார்ட்டில் இரண்டு நாட்கள் தங்கி, ரிலாக்ஸ் செய்து கொள்ளலாம். இங்குள்ள "கவ்பாய் டவுன்' அதிசயமான இடம். தினம் மாலை, இரவு நேரங்களை கேளிக்கையுடன் கழிக்கலாம். கவ்பாய் டவுனில் செவ்விந்தியர்களின் "ரெட் இன்டியன் ÷ஷா' வை கண்டுகளிக்கலாம். ஆடல், பாடலுடன் வரவேற்பு, அதையடுத்து, கவ்பாய் வேடம்;கையில், துப்பாக்கி தோளில் கிளி, தொப்பி சகிதம் வேடமிடலாம். அதோடு, மலைப்பாம்பையும் தோளில் சுமந்து கொண்டு போஸ் கொடுக்கலாம். உள்ளே... இன்னும் பல அதிசயங்கள் காத்திருக்கின்றன.

அடுத்த ஷோ... "4 டி' தியேட்டர்: "3 டி'ஷோ தான் இதுவரை கேள்விப்பட்டிருக்கிறோம்... ஆனால், இங்கு "4டி' ÷ஷா நடத்தி, திடுக்கிட வைக்கின்றனர். முப்பரிமாண படத்தில், "ஆவி...பூதம்...பேய்' கதை வந்து மிரட்டிக் கொண்டிருக்கும்... படத்தில், மூழ்கிப்போன உங்களை, நீங்கள் அமர்ந்துள்ள நாற்காலி, திடீரென ஆட்டம் காண வைத்து மிரள வைக்கும். அதோடு, படத்தில் பெய்யும் மழையை, நிஜத்திலும் உணர முடியும். இந்த நான்காவது பரிமாணம் "ரியலி சூப்பர்' திட்டம் என பாராட்டலாம்.ஈப்போவில், அடுத்த அதிசயம் சுண்ணாம்பு குகை கோவில். செங்குத்தாக நிற்கும் பல மலைகள் இங்குள்ளன. இயற்கையாக அமைந்த குகையின் முன்பகுதியில் புத்தர் சிலை வைத்துள்ளனர். அதற்கு பின்னும் ஒரு புத்தர் சிலை என கோவில்களை உள்ளடக்கியுள்ளது. சில மீட்டர் தூரம் செல்லும் இந்த குகை வழியாக பயணிக்க முடியும். ஈப்போவை அடுத்து, தைபிங் மிருக கண்காட்சி சாலையில் இரவு நேர சவாரி உண்டு. இரவு நேரத்தில் வனத்திற்குள் செல்லும் அனுபவம், அபூர்வமானது.

ஒராங்குட்டான் தீவு: மலேசியாவிற்கு சென்றால், ஒராங்குட்டான் குரங்குகளை கண்டே தீர வேண்டும். இங்கு மட்டுமே உள்ள இந்த அதிசய குரங்கினம்...ஆசிய கண்டத்தில் அபூர்வமானது. மனிதனின் செயல்பாடுகளில் 90 சதவீதத்தை இவையும் செய்கின்றன. மரத்தின் உச்சியில் கூடு கட்டி வசதிக்கும் பழக்கம் உடையவை இந்த ஒராங் குட்டான். "பேசத்தெரியாத மனிதன்' என்று கூட அழைக்கலாம். அரிய உயிரினமான உராங் குட்டான் குரங்கை, பாதுகாக்கவும், சுற்றுலாவை மேம்படுத்தவும் ஏராளமாக செலவிட்டுள்ளது மலேசிய அரசு.

பினாங் போகலாம் வாங்க!மலேசியாவில் மகிழ்ச்சியை கொண்டாட வேண்டிய இடம் ----

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பினாங் போகலாம் வாங்க!மலேசியாவில் மகிழ்ச்சியை கொண்டாட வேண்டிய இடம் பினாங் தீவுதான். இங்குள்ள ஓட்டல்களில் உள்ள நீச்சல் குளம், கடற்கரை, கேளிக்கை விடுதிகளில் புகுந்து விட்டால் போதும். நேரமும் நாளும் தானாக கரைந்து விடும். பினாங் தீவும், பாரம்பரியமிக்க இடம். வர்த்தக தலமாக விளங்கிய பினாங் தீவில், பார்க்க வேண்டிய இடம் ஏராளம். இங்கு அதிகம் பேர் தமிழ் பேசுவோர் உள்ளனர். அதோடு, சீனர்களும் உண்டு; மலேயர்களும் சம அளவில் உள்ளனர். பினாங் பாலம், இந்த நாட்டின் பெரிய அதிசயம் என்றே சொல்லலாம். பினாங் தீவை இணைக்கும் இப்பாலம், 13.5 கி.மீ., உள்ளது. இதில் ரோடு அமைத்துள்ளனர். இதற்கு இணையாக இன்னும் ஒரு பாலம் 18 கி.மீ., நீளத்திற்கு அமைத்து வருகின்றனர். மலேசியா... என்றும் பசுமையாக மனதில் பதிந்து விடும் நாடு. மீண்டும் ஒரு முறை செல்ல மாட்டோமா என ஏங்க வைக்கும். ஒரு முறை சென்றால், மீண்டும் செல்லத்தூண்டும். "மலேசியா, உண்மையான ஆசியா' (malaysia, truely asia) என்பதை சொல்வதோடு மட்டுமல்ல, செய்தும் காண்பித்துள்ளனர். விழாக் காலங்களில் பாரம்பரிய உடைகள், நடனங்கள், கேளிக்கைகள் எல்லாமே உண்டு. சுற்றுலா நாடாகவே மாற்றியும் காட்டியுள்ளனர். சபாஷ் தான் சொல்ல வேண்டும்.

பிரமிப்புகள் தொடரும்! "எண்ணுவதெல்லாம் உயர்வுள்ளல்' என நாம் கூறினாலும், மலேசியர் எண்ணுவதெல்லாம், பிரமிப்பூட்டுபவை. "புத்ர ஜெயா' நகரம், 1995 முதல் உருவாக்கப்பட்டு வருகிறது. பிரமாண்டங்களை கொண்ட இந்த நகரம், முற்றிலும் நவீனமயமானது. இங்கு, அரசு அலுவலங்கள், அவர்களுக் கான குடியிருப்புகள், ஆட்சியாளர்கள், அவர்களுக்கான வசதிகள் உருவாக்கப்பட்டுள்ளன; மேலும் கட்டுமான பணிகள்தொடர்கின்றன. நாட்டின் மின்சார தேவையை முற்றிலும் பூர்த்தி செய்கிறது நீர்மின் நிலையங்கள். இன்னும் ஒரு மெகா மின் உற்பத்தி திட்டத்தை உருவாக்கியுள்ளனர். இந்த மின் திட்டத்தில் உற்பத்தியாகும் மின்சாரத்தை அருகில் உள்ள ஆஸ்திரேலியாவுக்கு விற்கும் திட்டமும் உண்டு. விவசாய நாடாக பின் தங்கியிருந்த மலேசியாவை, தொழில் நாடாக முதன்மை பெறச் செய்துள்ளனர் ஆட்சியாளர்கள். விவசாயம், இப்போது கடைசியாக உள்ளது. இங்கு முதலீடு செய்யும் வெளிநாட்டு நிறுவனங்களுக்கு ஐந்து ஆண்டுகள் வரை வரிச் சலுகை அளிக்கின்றனர். தடையில்லா மின்சாரம் தருகின்றனர். தொழிலுக்கு முக்கியத்துவம் தருகின்றனர்.

ஆண்டு முழுவதும் கொண்டாட்டமே...!மலேசிய சுற்றுலாத் துறையில் பணியாற்றும் வழிகாட்டி அசார் கூறுகையில்,""ஆண்டு முழுவதும் சுற்றுலா பயணிகள் வந்து செல்லலாம். குறிப்பிட்ட சுற்றுலா சீசன் கிடையாது. ஒவ்வொரு மூன்று மாதங்களுக்கும் ஒவ்வொரு விழாக்கள் நடக்கும். இப்போது, மலேசியா நாடு முழுவதும் "மெகா சேல்' தள்ளுபடி விற்பனை விழா நடக்கிறது. 20 சதவீதம் முதல் 70 சதவீதம் வரை இந்த "மெகா சேல்' நடக்கிறது. சுற்றுலா பயணிகளை இது வெகுவாக கவர்ந்துள்ளது,''என்றார்.

மலேசிய சுற்றுலா வாரிய அலுவலர் ஹனனி சுகிமன் கூறுகையில்,""இந்தியர், மலேயர், சீனர்கள் என முப்பெரும் பிரிவினர் இங்கிருந்தாலும், அனைவரும் "மலேசியர்களாகவே வாழ்கிறோம்; விழாக்களையும் ஒன்றாகவே கொண்டாடுகிறோம்' இதுவே ஒன்றுபட்ட மலேசியாவாக காட்டுகிறது. இந்த குறியீட்டிற்காக "1எம்' என கூறுகின்றனர். சுற்றுலா பயணிகளை எங்களது விருந்தினர்களாகவே கருதுகிறோம்,'' என்றார்.

Courtesy: DINA-MALAR.

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Sudhaama

12th August 2010, 11:21 PM

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Current British IMPRESSION.!!! ---

--on People of different Nations.!

The tips have been drawn up to help enhance cultural awareness, avoid misunderstandings and boost performance in caring for visitors, VisitBritain said.

The tips include:

- INDIAN:

{1}“Be tolerant if Indians at first seem impolite, noisy and impatient.

This is partly the result of living in chaotic cities and environments.

They usually appreciate orderliness when they see it.”

- JAPANESE

(2) A smiling Japanese person is not necessarily happy as they tend to smile when angry, embarrassed, sad or disappointed.

- CANADIAN

(3) Never call a Canadian an American.

Some Canadians get so annoyed about being mistaken for U.S. citizens that they identify themselves by wearing a maple leaf as pin badge or as a symbol on their clothing.

- CHINESE

(4) Avoid saying “thank you” to a Chinese compliment.

Instead, politely deny a compliment to show humility.

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groucho070

13th August 2010, 12:23 PM

The Malaysian write-up, is it from the Tourism Board ? :P

Sudhaama

13th August 2010, 05:24 PM

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The Malaysian write-up, is it from the Tourism Board ? :P

No. An OPEN-MINDED Indian Tourist Writer's UNBIASED assessment.

.-- who has widely toured exhaustively all the Tour-worthy lands all over the World.!

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. Let the World... LEARN from Malaysia.!

எங்கும் தூசுப்படலம்; தெருக்களில் வாரி இறைத்த குப்பை; ரோட்டில் வாகனங்களின் பேரிரைச்சல்; வாகன நெரிசலில் நீந்திக் கடக்க "ஹாரன் அடித்து' நொந்து போன மனம்...பிரச்னைகளில் சிக்கித் தவிக்கும் எண்ணங்கள்... இவற்றிலிருந்து விடுதலை கிடைக்குமா...என ஏங்கி தவிப்பவரா... நீங்கள்?

வசதியும் வாய்ப்பும் கிடைத்தால், மலேசியாவை எட்டிப்பார்த்து விட்டு வாருங்கள்.

எங்கும் பசுமை; எதிலும் பசுமை; கண்களுக்கு குளுமை; தூசுகளுக்கு குட்பை. 99.9 சதவீதம், "நோ ஹாரன்'...நேர்த்தியான ரோடுகளில் விரைவாக செல்லும் லாவகம். பூலோகத்தின் சொர்க்கத்திற்கு வந்து விட்டோமோ என எண்ணத் தோன்றும்

சில விநாடிகள்."சலாமத் டடாங்' என வரவேற்புடன், இனிமையான கனிவான மலேசிய ஏர்லைன்ஸ் விமான சேவை. விருந்தோம்பலை முன்னிறுத்தி, கனிவான பேச்சில் கவர்கிறது. விமான நிலையத்தை தொடும்போதே, பிரமாண்டத்தை கொட்டிக்காட்டுகிறது கோலாலம்பூர் சர்வதேச விமான நிலையம். 60க்கும் மேற்பட்ட நாடுகளுக்கு விமான சேவை செய்து வருகிறது. இன்னும் விரிவாக்கம் செய்து கொள்ள 10 ஆயிரம் எக்டேர் நிலப்பரப்பை கொண்டுள்ளது.

எல்லா நாடுகளிலும் அடர்ந்த வனப்பகுதியில் விமான நிலையம் இருக்கும். ஆனால், இங்கோ விமான நிலையத்தில் வனத்தை உருவாக்கியுள்ளனர். நாடு முழுவதும் சுற்றி வாங்க நினைக்கும் பொருட்களை இங்கேயே வாங்கிக் கொள்ளலாம். விமான நிலையம் மட்டுமல்ல; பெரிய "ஷாப்பிங்' சென்டரே உள்ளது. நேர்த்தியாகவும், அழகாகவும் வடிவமைக்கப்பட்டுள்ள கடைகள் ஏராளம். சர்வதேச அளவில் எந்த உணவாக இருந்தாலும் அதுவும் விமான நிலையத்திலேயே கிடைக்கும். வந்து செல்லும் பயணிகளின் விரைவுக்கு ஏற்ப ஆங்காங்கே "லிப்ட்', தானியங்கி ஏணிப்படிகள் (எலிவேட்டர்) வசதிகள் உண்டு. புத்தம் புதியது போன்று எப்போதும் மின்னுகிறது விமான நிலையம்; அவ்வளவு சுத்தம்.

மலேசியாவுக்குள் நுழைந்து விட்டாலே... பிரமாண்டங்களை காண முடியும்.

ரோட்டில் செல்லும்போதே இருபுறமும் பசுமையை கண்குளிர காணலாம். ரோடுகள் சுத்தமாகவும், நேராகவும், அகலமுள்ளதாகவும் உள்ளன.ரோட்டில் பயணிக்க ஆசையும் ஆர்வமும் நிச்சயம் இருக்கும். ஒவ்வொரு வாகனங்களுக்கும் இடைவெளி இருக்கும். முடிந்தவரை ரோடுகளின் குறுக்காக ரோடு அமைவதை தவிர்த்துள்ளனர். தேவையான இடங்களில் சிக்னல்களை அமைத்துள்ளனர். டிராபிக் போலீசையும் கூட காண்பது அரிது. ரோடுகளை கடப்போருக்கு உரிய மரியாதை கொடுக்கின்றனர் வாகன ஓட்டுனர்கள். வாகனத்தில் செல்வோர் பொறுமையை கையாள்வது வியப்பிற்குரியது.

விமான நிலையத்திலிருந்து 20 நிமிட பயணத்தை அடுத்தே, கோலாலம்பூரை தொட முடியும். நகருக்குள் நுழைந்ததுமே கோலாகலம் தொடங்கி விடும்.

அமைதியான, அழகாக வடிவமைக்கப்பட்ட கோலாலம்பூரில் பார்க்க வேண்டிய இடங்கள் நிறையவே உள்ளன.

மூன்று கோடிக்கும் குறைவான மக்கள் தொகை கொண்ட இந்த நாட்டில், அடிப்படை கட்டமைப்பு வசதிகள் வியக்க வைக்கின்றன.

ஆட்சியாளர்களின் திட்டமிடும் திறனும், அதை செயல்படுத்தும் வேகமும் நாட்டை வேகமாக முன்னேற வைத்திருக்கிறது.

எப்போதும், என்றும் கட்டுமான பணிகள் தொடர்ந்து கொண்டே உள்ளன.முன்னேறிய நாடுகளை பார்த்தால், அங்கு என்ன சிறப்பம்சம் இருக்கிறது என்பதையெல்லாம் ஒவ்வொரு நாடாக சென்று பார்த்த மலேயர்கள், அவற்றை தங்களது நாட்டில் ஏற்படுத்த முனைந்துள்ளனர். உலகையே சுற்றிப்பார்ப்பதும், மலேசியாவை சுற்றிப்பார்ப்பதும் சமமாக கருதலாம்.

இந்திய, சீனா, மலேய மக்கள் அதிகம் வசிக்கின்றனர். இந்த மக்களிடையே எவ்வித இன பாகுபாடும் வேறுபாடும் கிடையாது; போராட்டங்கள் குறைவு. ஒரே மலேசியா (1எம்) என்ற உத்வேகம் இவர்களிடையே உண்டு. வேகமாக முன்னேற்றங்கள், திட்டமிடலில் மட்டுமே வந்துள்ளது.

மலேசியாவின் பொருளாதாரம், விவசாயத்தின் அடிப்படையில் இருந்தது; தற்போதோ தலைகீழாக மாற்றப்பட்டு விட்டது. இன்ஜினியரிங் உற்பத்தி, பெட்ரோலிய ஏற்றுமதி, சுற்றுலா, விவசாயம் என முக்கிய வருவாய் தரும் இனங்கள் உள்ளன. எதில் எளிதாக வருவாய் ஈட்ட முடியும் என்பதை அறிந்து, அதில் முன்னேற்றத்தை காண்பிக்கின்றனர். உலகெங்கிலிருந்தும் மலேசியாவின் அழகை கண்டு ரசிக்க வேண்டும் என்ற எண்ணம், அதற்கேற்ற திட்டமிடல்; அவற்றை செயல்படுத்துதல் போன்றவை வருவாயை உயர்த்தியுள்ளன. மலேசியாவில் பார்க்க வேண்டிய இடங்கள் ஏராளம்... ஓரிரு நாட்களில் எல்லாவற்றையும் பார்த்து முடித்து விட முடியாது; ஓரிரு மாதங்கள் வேண்டும். ஒவ்வொரு பகுதியிலும் சில நாட்களை செலவிட வேண்டும்.

பெட்ரோனாஸ் இரட்டை கோபுரம்: நகரின் நடுவே உலகின் அதிசயம்..."கோலாலம்பூர் பெட்ரோனாஸ்' என்ற இரட்டை கோபுரம். உலகிலேயே உயரமான கோபுரம். 451.9 மீட்டர் உயரம் உள்ள இந்த கோபுரம், 88 அடுக்குகளை கொண்டது. 41, 42வது தளங்களில், இரு கோபுரங்களையும் இணைக்கும் பாலம் உள்ளது. இந்த பாலமே நில மட்டத்திலிருந்து, 557 அடி உயரத்தில் (170 மீ) அமைக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது. அமெரிக்காவில் இருந்த உலக வர்த்தக மைய கோபுரம் அழிந்த பின், இதுவே உலகின் பிரமாண்டமாக கருதப்படுகிறது. தினமும் 1700 பேர் மட்டுமே இந்த கோபுரத்திற்குள் சென்று வர அனுமதி உண்டு. இந்த இரட்டை கோபுரம் அமைந்துள்ள 17 ஏக்கர் பரப்பளவில், பல்வேறு ஷாப்பிங் காம்ப்ளக்ஸ் உள்ளன. இரட்டை கோபுரத்திற்கு அருகிலேயே பிரமாண்டமான மீன் காட்சியகத்தை அமைத்துள்ளனர். உள்ளே நுழைந்ததும், கடலுக்குள் சென்று விட்ட பிரமிப்பை ஏற்படுத்தும். இந்த அமைப்பிற்குள் 300 வகையான உயிரினங்கள் இடம் பெற்றுள்ளன. 60 ஆயிரம் சதுர அடிப்பரப்பில் இடம் பெற்றுள்ளது.90 மீட்டர் தூரத்திற்கு நீருக்கடியில் நீளும் குகை அமைப்பில், நின்று கொண்டால் போதும், கீழ் உள்ள நகரும் அமைப்பு, முழுவதுமாக சுற்றிக் காண்பித்து விடும். அத்தனை மீன் வகைகள் மற்றும் கடல் வாழ் உயிரினங்களை கண்டு ரசிக்க முடியும்.

அருங்காட்சியகம் ஸ்ரீபடானா: கோலாலம்பூரில் எழில் மிக்க ஒரு மாளிகை ஸ்ரீபடானா. முன்னாள் பிரதமர் வசித்த மாளிகையை, இப்போது அருங்காட்சியமாக்கி விட்டனர். 50 ஆண்டு சுதந்திர தினத்தை பறைசாற்றும் நாணயத்தின் படத்தையும் ஓவியமாக வரைந்து பார்வைக்கு வைத்துள்ளனர். பார்லிமென்டில் உள்ள 228 உறுப்பினர்களின் பலத்தையும் உயர்த்திக் காட்டும் கை அமைப்பு அனைவரையும் கவர்கிறது.

பவுலியன்: கோலாலம்பூரின் மற்றொரு அம்சம், "பவுலியன்' என்ற ஷாப்பிங் காம்ப்ளக்ஸ். இங்கு அனைத்து வகை பொருட்களும் விற்பனைக்கு வைத்துள்ளனர். அழகாகவும் நேர்த்தியாகவும், இடவசதியுடன் அமைந்துள்ள இக்கடைகளில், பொருட்களையும் அழகுடன் காட்சிப்படுத்தியுள்ளனர். ஷாப்பிங் செய்வதற்கென்றே "மெகா சேல்' திட்டத்தை, மலேசிய சுற்றுலா வளர்ச்சி வாரியத்துடன் இணைந்து நடத்தினர். ஜூலை மாதம் துவங்கிய இந்த "மெகா சேல்' தள்ளுபடி விற்பனை உலக நாடுகளையும் கூட எட்டிப் பார்க்க வைக்கும். 20 சதவீதம் முதல் 70 சதவீதம் வரை பொருட்களுக்கு தள்ளுபடி அளிக்கின்றனர். கைவினைப்பொருள் கண்காட்சியும் அதற்கென அமைக்கப்பட்டுள்ள தனி அரங்கில் துவங்கியுள்ளது. மலேசிய நாட்டின் பாரம்பரியமிக்க கலை நயமுடன் உருவாக்கப்படும் பொருட்கள் இங்கு காட்சிப்படுத்தியுள்ளனர்.

சன்வே பிரமிட்: சிங்க முகம் கொண்ட மாபெரும் ஷாப்பிங் காம்ப்ளக்ஸ், சன்வே பிரமிட். நான்கு தளங்களைக் கொண்ட இந்த காம்ப்ளக்ஸ், அழகாக வடிவமைக்கப்பட்டுள்ளது. வெளிப்புறத்தோற்றம், உட்புறத்தோற்றம் இரண்டிலுமே கவனமுடன் வடிவமைத்துள்ளனர்.

மலாக்கா: கோலாலம்பூரிலிருந்து மலாக்கா செல்வது எளிதானது; மலேசியா அமைத்துள்ள நீண்ட தூர "ஹைவே' ரோட்டில், மணிக்கு 100 கி.மீ.,வேகத்திற்கும் மேல் பறக்க முடியும். நேர்த்தியான ரோட்டில், விரைவாக செல்லலாம். ரோடுகளில் குறுக்கீடுகள் கிடையாது; யாரும் கடப்பதும் இல்லை. விலங்கினங்கள் கூட இந்த "ஹைவே'யில், குறுக்கிடாது. பழமையான, பழம்பெரும் நகரம் மலாக்கா. 15ம் நூற்றாண்டில், மலேசிய நாட்டின் வர்த்தகம் இங்கு நடந்ததற்கான சான்றுகள் பல உள்ளன. பிரிட்டிஷ் ஆதிக்கத்தில் இருந்த இந்த நகரத்தை, "மலேசியாவின் வெனிஸ்' என அழைக்கின்றனர். 1500ம் ஆண்டுகளில், சுல்தான்கள் ஆட்சி இருந்தது. இதற்கான கோட்டை இடம் பெற்றுள்ளது. இந்த நகரில், புகழ் பெற்ற பானம் சென்டால். இந்த பானம், ஐஸ் கட்டிகளை உடைத்துபோட்டு, தென்னங்கருப்பட்டியை கலந்து தயாரிக்கின்றனர். மரத்தால் ஆன மாளிகை, இங்கே மன்னர்கள் சொகுசாக வாழ்ந்த வரலாற்றைக் கூறுகிறது. மன்னர்களின் படுக்கை அறைகளில், பட்டத்து அரசியே ஆனாலும் அனுமதியின்றி நுழைய முடியாது என்பதை சுட்டிக் காட்டியுள்ளனர்.

பழம்பெரும் நகரமாக உள்ள இந்த மலாக்காவில், உள்ள அருங்காட்சியகத்தில், தமிழக மக்கள் பயன்படுத்திய பொருட் களை போன்றே பல உள்ளன. தமிழ் மக்கள் வாழ்ந்ததற்கான சான்றாக இது திகழ்கிறது. சைக்கிள் முதல் இட்லி பாத்திரம் வரை பல வகை பொருட்களும் அருங்காட்சியகத்தில் இடம் பெற்றுள்ளன. இந்த அருங்காட்சியகமும் பார்த்து ரசிக்க வேண்டிய இடம். ஒவ்வொரு பொருளும் ஒரு சரித்திரம் சொல்வதாக முக்கியத்துவம் பெற்றுள்ளது. நம்ம ஊரில் காணாமல்போன சைக்கிள் ரிக்ஷா சவாரியை அங்கு சுற்றுலா சவாரியாக்கியுள்ளனர். ரிக்ஷா முழுவதும் செயற்கை மலர் அலங்காரம் செய்து, அதில், பாடல் ஒலிபரப்பி, அழகாக ஒரு கி.மீ., தூரத்தை வட்டமிட்டு காட்டுகின்றனர். இதில், சவாரி செய்வதே ஒரு சிறப்பான அனுபவம் எனலாம்.

ஈபோ லாஸ்ட்வேர்ல்ட்: ஈபோ நகரில் உள்ள "லாஸ்ட் வேர்ல்டு'க்குள் நுழைந்து விட்டால், பல பல ஆச்சரியரிங்கள் காத்திருக்கின்றன. நுழை வாயிலில் ஆளுயர பூனை சிலைகள் வரவேற்கின்றன. இந்த பூனை சிலைகளை தெய்வமாகவும் இப்பகுதியினர் கருதுகின்றனர். "லாஸ்ட் வேர்ல்டு' என்ற தீம் பார்க்கிற்குள் நுழைந்து விட்டால், உங்களையே இழந்து விடுவீர்கள்; அவ்வளவும் அதிசயம். இங்கு மட்டும் ஒரு நாள் முழுவதும் செலவிடலாம். மலைப்பகுதியை ஒட்டியுள்ள இப்பகுதியில், சுடுநீர் ஊற்றை உணரலாம். "ஊசிமலை' என்பதை நேரடியாக காண முடியும் இங்கே...ஆங்கிலத்தில் "நீடில் ராக்' என அழைக்கின்றனர். அழகு சூழ்ந்த சோலையில் இந்த ஊசிமலை அமைந்துள்ளது. இங்கு, இன்னும் சில அடி தூரத்தில் புலியை நேரில் பார்க்கலாம். ஜாலியாக உலா வரும் ஐந்து புலிகள், மிக அருகில் காணும் வாய்ப்பு இந்த உயிரியல் பூங்காவில் மட்டுமே காண முடியும். இன்னும் பல அதிசய பறவைகள், குட்டை ரக கோழி, முயல், எலி வகைகள் என அதிசய உலகம்..."லாஸ்ட் வேர்ல்டி'ல் உள்ளது. ஜாலியாக விளையாடவும், தண்ணீரில் துள்ளி குதித்து மகிழவும் அதிசய உலகம் இங்கு மட்டுமே உள்ளது.

"ஏ பாமஸா' ரிசார்ட்: மலாக்கா அருகே உள்ள பந்தர் ஹிலரில் "ஏ பாமஸா' ரிசார்ட்...மிகவும் சொகுசானது. இந்த ரிசார்ட்டை சுற்றிலும் கண்களுக்கு எட்டிய தூரம் வரை பசுமையை மட்டுமே காண முடியும். மாலை நேரங்களில், கோல்ப் விளையாட, இயற்கையான புல் தரைகள் உள்ளன. பல ஏக்கர் நிலங்களில் அமைந்துள்ள இந்த ரிசார்ட்டில் இரண்டு நாட்கள் தங்கி, ரிலாக்ஸ் செய்து கொள்ளலாம். இங்குள்ள "கவ்பாய் டவுன்' அதிசயமான இடம். தினம் மாலை, இரவு நேரங்களை கேளிக்கையுடன் கழிக்கலாம். கவ்பாய் டவுனில் செவ்விந்தியர்களின் "ரெட் இன்டியன் ÷ஷா' வை கண்டுகளிக்கலாம். ஆடல், பாடலுடன் வரவேற்பு, அதையடுத்து, கவ்பாய் வேடம்;கையில், துப்பாக்கி தோளில் கிளி, தொப்பி சகிதம் வேடமிடலாம். அதோடு, மலைப்பாம்பையும் தோளில் சுமந்து கொண்டு போஸ் கொடுக்கலாம். உள்ளே... இன்னும் பல அதிசயங்கள் காத்திருக்கின்றன.

அடுத்த ஷோ... "4 டி' தியேட்டர்: "3 டி'ஷோ தான் இதுவரை கேள்விப்பட்டிருக்கிறோம்... ஆனால், இங்கு "4டி' ÷ஷா நடத்தி, திடுக்கிட வைக்கின்றனர். முப்பரிமாண படத்தில், "ஆவி...பூதம்...பேய்' கதை வந்து மிரட்டிக் கொண்டிருக்கும்... படத்தில், மூழ்கிப்போன உங்களை, நீங்கள் அமர்ந்துள்ள நாற்காலி, திடீரென ஆட்டம் காண வைத்து மிரள வைக்கும். அதோடு, படத்தில் பெய்யும் மழையை, நிஜத்திலும் உணர முடியும். இந்த நான்காவது பரிமாணம் "ரியலி சூப்பர்' திட்டம் என பாராட்டலாம்.ஈப்போவில், அடுத்த அதிசயம் சுண்ணாம்பு குகை கோவில். செங்குத்தாக நிற்கும் பல மலைகள் இங்குள்ளன. இயற்கையாக அமைந்த குகையின் முன்பகுதியில் புத்தர் சிலை வைத்துள்ளனர். அதற்கு பின்னும் ஒரு புத்தர் சிலை என கோவில்களை உள்ளடக்கியுள்ளது. சில மீட்டர் தூரம் செல்லும் இந்த குகை வழியாக பயணிக்க முடியும். ஈப்போவை அடுத்து, தைபிங் மிருக கண்காட்சி சாலையில் இரவு நேர சவாரி உண்டு. இரவு நேரத்தில் வனத்திற்குள் செல்லும் அனுபவம், அபூர்வமானது.

ஒராங்குட்டான் தீவு: மலேசியாவிற்கு சென்றால், ஒராங்குட்டான் குரங்குகளை கண்டே தீர வேண்டும். இங்கு மட்டுமே உள்ள இந்த அதிசய குரங்கினம்...ஆசிய கண்டத்தில் அபூர்வமானது. மனிதனின் செயல்பாடுகளில் 90 சதவீதத்தை இவையும் செய்கின்றன. மரத்தின் உச்சியில் கூடு கட்டி வசதிக்கும் பழக்கம் உடையவை இந்த ஒராங் குட்டான். "பேசத்தெரியாத மனிதன்' என்று கூட அழைக்கலாம். அரிய உயிரினமான உராங் குட்டான் குரங்கை, பாதுகாக்கவும், சுற்றுலாவை மேம்படுத்தவும் ஏராளமாக செலவிட்டுள்ளது மலேசிய அரசு.

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பினாங் போகலாம் வாங்க!மலேசியாவில் மகிழ்ச்சியை கொண்டாட வேண்டிய இடம் பினாங் தீவுதான். இங்க