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muthalidam
Topic started by Pavalamani Pragasam (@ 220.226.56.33) on Mon Aug 30 22:07:25 EDT 2004.
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ukw (@ 128.*) on: Thu Oct 14 19:16:02 EDT 2004
(Contd)
This is basically another Jack and Rose Titanic situation, where the audience is deliberately kept from the reality of what would happen if these two shmucks really did get together. Namely, Clint would dump Meryl when he got tired of having sex with her or Meryl would dump Clint when she finally figured out what a twit he was. Well, it's nice to know that they will be stuck with each other for eternity - under a bridge of Madison County*
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geno (@ 61.2*) on: Thu Oct 14 19:34:18 EDT 2004
I'd love to read the kind of reviews that "avargaL" and "aboorva raagangaL" and "avaL appadiththaan" got too!!!
and oh!
"kalki" too!!
Even "indecent Proposal" and "Unfaithful" and "disclosure" out together can't hold a candle to KB's works!!!
So KB is some short green from mars or some other parallel universe??!! huh!!!
;=))))
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Pavalamani Pragasam (@ 220.*) on: Thu Oct 14 22:16:23 EDT 20
Thanks, ukw for your quote! In spite of all the troubles the tribe of KB's sort take to make our women "post modern" still semblance of sense is seen around our daily life!
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Pavalamani Pragasam (@ 220.*) on: Fri Oct 15 00:34:15 EDT 20
Some deft definitions:
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malligai (@ 63-2*) on: Fri Oct 15 01:11:00 EDT 2004
Geno,
þò¾¨É ¾Á¢úô À¼í¸û þÕ측??...õõõ...PP¢ý
'¾ý ÓÐÌ ¾ÉìÌ ¦¾Ã¢Â¡Ð ¾¡ý ¿¢¨É×ìÌ ÅÕÐ...
:) :)
//So KB is some short green from mars or some other parallel universe// :)) :))
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malligai (@ 63-2*) on: Fri Oct 15 01:45:25 EDT 2004
UKW,
who cares about what Matthew Duren thinks about the film...anyone can write a film review and be 'hi-fi' biased in their view...and what was depicted in that film was not just sex, but love in a very mellowed form...cant we just look a little beyond the apparent??
now i wonder what u would think about Mr & Mrs Iyer!!
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geno (@ 61.1*) on: Fri Oct 15 05:16:11 EDT 2004
malligai!
>> now i wonder what u would think about Mr & Mrs Iyer!! >>
Oh yeah! that was a poignant film!
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Pavalamani Pragasam (@ 220.*) on: Fri Oct 15 06:30:14 EDT 20
"Òýɨ¸" ±ýÈ Ò¼õ §À¡ð¼ ¦À¡ý §À¡ýÈ À¼õ, "¯ýÉ¡ø ÓÊÔõ ¾õÀ¢" §À¡ýÈ ¯ýɾÁ¡É À¼õ, ±ý ¸½Å÷ À¡÷¨Å¢ø º¢Ä À¨Æ ¿¡¼¸ô À¼í¸û ÀüÈ¢¦ÂøÄ¡õ ¡ÕìÌõ ¿¢¨É× ÅÃÅ¢ø¨Ä¡?
"¾Á¢Æ¸òÐ ¦ÅÌÉ ¦Àñ¸û"????????
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geno (@ 61.2*) on: Fri Oct 15 08:57:18 EDT 2004
>> In spite of all the troubles the tribe of KB's sort take to make our women "post modern" still semblance of sense is seen around our daily life! >>
What is "sense seen in our daily life"??
Does "Punnakai" and "unnAl mudiyum thambi" decided that? or "avaL oru thodarkathai" influenced it??!!
¬¸ô À¨¼ôÒ째üÈÀʾ¡ý - Å¢Á÷ºÉõ «¨Á§ÅñÎõ ±ý¸¢È §À¡Ð - ´ðΦÁ¡ò¾ À¨¼ôÀ¡Ç¢Â¢ý "§¿¡ì¸ò¨¾§Â" ºó§¾¸¢ì¸¢È Å¢Á÷ºÉí¸û ¨ÅôÀÐ ±ó¾ Å¢¾ò¾¢ø ºÃ¢?!!
§ÁÖõ, ¸¡¾ø, ¾¢ÕÁ½õ, ¯È×, À¡Ö½÷× - ÌÈ¢ò¾ Ţš¾õ¾¡§É ¿¨¼¦ÀüÚ즸¡ñÊÕó¾Ð? «¾ü§¸üÀò¾¡§É - ¾Á¢Æ¢Öõ - þõÁ¡¾¢Ã¢Â¡É - À¨¼ôÒì¸û ¸¡Äõ ¸¡ÄÁ¡¸ ÅóÐ ¦¸¡ñÊÕôÀ¨¾ ÍðÊ측ðÊ즸¡ñÊÕ󧾡õ?
þ¾¢§Ä §¸.À¢Â¢ý ÁüÈ À¨¼ôÒ¸¨Çô ÀüÈ¢ ¬Ã¡Â §ÅñÊ «Åº¢ÂÁ¢ø¨Ä§Â!
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geno (@ 61.2*) on: Fri Oct 15 08:57:56 EDT 2004
"Day to day" life-þø ¿¡õ ¸¡ñ¸¢È "¦ÅÌÉô ¦Àñ¸û¾¡ý" - ¿¡÷ÁÄ¡É ¦ÅÌÉô ¦Àñ¸û¾¡ý -
* «Åû ´Õ ¦¾¡¼÷¸¨¾
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* «Åû «ôÀÊò¾¡ý
* «Å÷¸û
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* ãýÚ ÓÊîÍ
* «Ãí§¸üÈõ
* º¢óÐ ¨ÀÃÅ¢
* ¸ýÉ¢ô ÀÕÅò¾¢§Ä
* Ò¾¢Â Å¡÷ôÒ¸û
- ¯ðÀ¼ þýÛõ ²Ã¡ÇÁ¡É "«¼øð ¾£õ" ¦¸¡ñ¼ À¼í¸¨Ç ¦ÅüÈ¢ôÀ¼í¸Ç¡ì¸¢É÷¸û!
ÀûÇ¢ô ¨ÀÂý¸§Ç¡, ¸øæâô Àºí¸§Ç¡ þø¨Ä!!
þó¾ ±Ç¢Â - ÅĢ ¯ñ¨Á¨Â - ´ôÒ즸¡ûÅÐ º¢ÄÕìÌî º¢ÃÁÁ¡¸ þÕó¾¡Öõ - ¯ñ¨Á¨Âî ¦º¡øÄ¢ò¾¡ý ¬¸§ÅñÊ¢Õ츢ÈÐ!
;=)))
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ukw (@ 128.*) on: Fri Oct 15 10:07:27 EDT 2004
**who cares about what Matthew Duren thinks about the film**
I DO. I respect men like him who can understand the the real problem very well. Men like him can compete to get the "muthalidam" from good matured tolerant non-cheating women. If the # of Mrs Johnsons goes more and more, the *mudhalidam* will not be secured for women, imho. Well who cares about MY opinion. I DO! ;-))))
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geno (@ 61.1*) on: Fri Oct 15 11:32:07 EDT 2004
dear friend ukw!!
>> Well who cares about MY opinion. I DO! ;-)))) >>
well well well!!
SO is this opinion your "static" opinion or "dynamic" opinion?!!
Im asking this coz your opinion has "morphed" into different forms in different threads in different periods!!!
Truly your adaptation of opinions is amazing!
;=))))
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ukw (@ 128.*) on: Fri Oct 15 11:42:21 EDT 2004
Well, I dont remember I am supporting Mrs. Johsons?
Why dont you QUOTE where do I support cheating Mothers, Please??????
Hope you UNDERSTAND My QUESTION. MY Supporting CHEATING MOTHER??????
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Pavalamani Pragasam (@ 220.*) on: Fri Oct 15 11:47:13 EDT 20
Good, ukw!
¿øÄ §Å¨Ç! ÀðÊÂÄ¢¼ôÀð¼ À¼í¸û(þýÛõ ºÁ£À ¸¡Äò¾¢Â ¦ÅǢ£θû) ±ôÀÊ ºã¸ ÒÃ𺢨 ²üÀÎò¾¢É ±ýÈ «¨¼Â¡Çí¸¨Ç ¸¡Ïõ À¡ì¸¢Â§Á¡, «§Á¡¸Á¡ö «Åü¨È ÅçÅüÈ "¦ÅÌÉ ¦Àñ¸û" «È¢Ó¸§Á¡¦ÅøÄ¡õ ±ÉìÌ ¸¢¨¼ì¸¡Á§Ä §À¡öÅ¢ð¼Ð!¯ñ¨Á¸û ±øÄ¡õ ¯ñ¨Á¸û ¬¸¢Å¢¼¡Ð! ¿¡ý ¸ñ¨½ ãÊ즸¡ñ¼ â¨É¡¸ §¾¡ýÈÄ¡õ, ¸ñ¨½ì ¸ðÊ ̾¢¨Ã §À¡ø Å¡¾¢Î§Å¡ÕìÌ.¿øÄ ¾¡ì¸ò¨¾ ²üÀÎò¾¢Â À¨¼ôÒ¸¨ÇÔõ ²§É¡ À¡Øõ ÁÉõ ±ñ½¢ôÀ¡÷ò¾Ð ¿ÎÅ¢§Ä!
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Pavalamani Pragasam (@ 220.*) on: Fri Oct 15 11:48:18 EDT 20
"±Ø¾¢ÉÅý ²ð¨¼ì ¦¸Îò¾¡ý" ±ýÀо¡ý Á£ñÎõ ¿¢¨É×ìÌ ÅÕ¸¢ÈÐ!"¸¡¾ø, ¾¢ÕÁ½õ, ¯È×, À¡Ö½÷×"- ±ø§Ä¡Õõ¾¡ý ¸Ä츢ò ¾Õ¸¢È¡÷¸û, ±ý ͨŠ±Ð§Å¡ «¨¾ò¾¡ý ¿¡ý ¿¡¼ ÓÊÔõ! ¦ÁªÉÁ¡¸ «¨Éò¨¾Ôõ À¡÷òÐ즸¡ñÊÕì¸×õ §¾¨Å¢ø¨Ä.¯¼§É ¸øºÃø §À¡Ä¢
¢í ±ýÈ ´Õ ±ºôÒì¸ð¨¼¨Â à츢Ţ¼ §Åñ¼¡õ!I do consider it an insult to my sensibility to be repeatedly forced to feel nauseated by totally unwomanly, undignified themes & dialogues in cinema. I am not a person to shrug certain things off as "fadaafat"! AND I AM NOT ALONE! The MEDIA is dominated by a bunch of perverted, talented, money-swindling personalities!
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geno (@ 61.1*) on: Fri Oct 15 11:54:22 EDT 2004
Well - let us see How many americans Hate "Scarlett O' Hara" of the "Gone with the wind" - written by Margerett mitchell, next!!!
"Gone with the wind" is considered one of ALl-time great modern novels ever, and the Film based on that novel of the same name - is counted in every other All-time great English Movies,in a myriad different yardsticks of lists!
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geno (@ 61.1*) on: Fri Oct 15 11:55:32 EDT 2004
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Excerpts of the Plot of the film :
Katie Scarlett O'Hara, the main protagonist of the novel Gone With the Wind, is a pretty, coquettish Southern belle who grows up on the Georgia plantation of Tara in the years before the American Civil War. Selfish, shrewd and vain, Scarlett inherits the strong will of her father Gerald, but also desires to please her well-bred, genteel mother Ellen.
In the face of hardship, Scarlett shoulders the troubles of her family and friends as women usually did on the plantations. Scarlett loves Ashley Wilkes, her aristocratic neighbor, but marries three other men through the course of the narrative.
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geno (@ 61.1*) on: Fri Oct 15 11:55:52 EDT 2004
Scarlett's internal conflict between her feelings for the Southern gentleman Ashley, who is married to Melanie, and the sardonic, opportunistic Rhett Butler embodies the general position of the South in the era of the war.
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The movie won 10 diffeerent oscars in the year 1942, besides being nominated for 5 other oscars!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gone_With_the_Wind
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlett_O%27Hara
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geno (@ 61.1*) on: Fri Oct 15 11:59:15 EDT 2004
ukw.
>> Hope you UNDERSTAND My QUESTION. MY Supporting
CHEATING MOTHER?????? >>
do you mean that i am supporting "cheating mothers" then??
Or the artistic freedom to express any given Human emotion on a public canvas??
Do you understand my point?
:=)
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geno (@ 61.1*) on: Fri Oct 15 12:04:46 EDT 2004
"Parasakthi" was scary, obscene, disobedient, militant and derogatory - for many of the censor board members of that time (1952), and also for some "elitist" cultural guardians of the early 50s of the thamizh society.
"Thiyaga Boomi" of director K subramanyam, was considered almost promiscuous and promoting pimping of the culture during that time (mid-late 40s).
But the history?!
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geno (@ 61.1*) on: Fri Oct 15 12:12:11 EDT 2004
>> The MEDIA is dominated by a bunch of perverted, talented, money-swindling personalities! >>
So why should some "Personality" be "condoned" for "corrupting" the "moralities" of the society - and others "Hanged"?????
Where are the Ground rules for "Judging"?
Why isnt there any kind of consistency in that judgement??
If this question is approached and nswered with integrity - the storm would blow over!
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geno (@ 61.1*) on: Fri Oct 15 12:16:10 EDT 2004
"Gone with the wind" got all those oscars in the year 1939 and not in 1942; my error regretted
:=)
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Pavalamani Pragasam (@ 220.*) on: Fri Oct 15 12:31:33 EDT 20
"the artistic freedom to express any given Human emotion on a public canvas??"
BLAH!BLAH!HUH! Havent we had enough of this "chekku maattu thadam"?
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Pavalamani Pragasam (@ 220.*) on: Fri Oct 15 12:34:38 EDT 20
"Where are the Ground rules for "Judging"?" -
There can be none, as such. We, human beings, endowed with a sixth sense, having climbed so many rungs on the ladder of civilisation should know what is "cultured" life and what is not!
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Pavalamani Pragasam (@ 220.*) on: Fri Oct 15 12:37:29 EDT 20
Personal discipline, social responsibility, communal accountability - basic necessities in societal living. NO retrogation to caveman existence!
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geno (@ 61.1*) on: Fri Oct 15 13:19:52 EDT 2004
But why a Mr. X is allowed to propagate "caveman's existence" with Gay abandon with encomiums showered upon him/her and another Mr. Y is executed for merely suggesting a "sanga kaala" existence?!!!!
;=)))
double-speak is the sole proprietary enterprise, eh?!!!
;=))))
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geno (@ 61.1*) on: Fri Oct 15 13:26:42 EDT 2004
Ok let me get back to ukw for a while!
ukw :
I would like to quote from your part of the "relay Story" that you wrote in "Thodar kathai" thread - where a lot of other FH-ers contributed too...
link :
http://forumhub.com/stories/863.14667.08.34.40.html
>> ThEnmozhi's mother spent dedicating her whole life just for bringing up her daughter, taught her the morals she believed in. Because her marriage was arranged she learned to live with what she got and appreciate the bests her husband got and strongly believed that there is no best husband in the world who does not have any flaws......
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geno (@ 61.1*) on: Fri Oct 15 13:27:39 EDT 2004
...On the other hand, Renu's Mom used to have boyfriends besides her husband and she had several relationships. Renu's parents were divorced at the age of 5 and her mom got lot of money due to that and spent that mainly for going out on long vacations leaving Renu with the babysitters and Renu has been abused by her mom's perverted boyfriends when she was growing up. The morals Renu had been taught was completely different from the ones taught by thEnmozhi's mom. it is all environmental and situational after all... >>
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geno (@ 61.1*) on: Fri Oct 15 13:32:55 EDT 2004
In that thread for writing the "relay story" your parts Jarr so badly - that once Mrs.PP had to disregard your part of the story and continue from some other part - previously posted by another person.
That was coz your parts simply go in a tangent to almost every other persons parts!!
I have a few questions for you :
1) If you can have a "Sluttish Mother" as a character in your story - then does that mean that - you "support" "Sluttish Mothers"????
2) If you don't support "Sluttish Mothers" then why should you "insert" such a character - where the plot of the evolving story does not warrant the necessity of such a character - that other people - especially elderly people like Mrs .PP have to be "Nauseated" so much that they had to leave your part and procedd with some other part of the story??
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geno (@ 61.1*) on: Fri Oct 15 13:36:11 EDT 2004
3) If you don't suppoet "Sluttish Mothers" but maintain - that you can pick and choose to have a character in your story of any hues - to merely "portray" a range of different kinds of humans and human emotions - then why are you saying that if someone has a "Sluttish Mother" character in his "work" - then he/she is "corrupting" or "scaring" the society - and proceed to castigate the creator?!
If this is not Hypocrisy then what can be called so?!
;=)))
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geno (@ 61.1*) on: Fri Oct 15 13:48:33 EDT 2004
Well in order to elucidate more upon my above post - let me include the date of the post that i have quoted above :
>> From: ukw (@ 128.252.181.24) on: Fri Mar 26 14:10:10 EST 2004 >>
Immediately after that Post of yours On March 26 - everyone abandoned that relay story....
And i posted 1 and half months later :
>> From: geno (@ 61.1.201.28) on: Tue May 4 18:36:02 EDT 2004
why was this thodarkathai abandoned??!
nice going friends! please continue :=) >>
And you replied to that :
>> From: ukw (@ 128.252.181.24) on: Tue May 4 19:22:23 EDT 2004
Geno:
The leader 'Mrs. PavaL' is the one who abandoned. I dont know what made her mad ;-)))) >>
So - why should you single out Mrs PP as the one who abandoned - when just about every other person who were writing in that thread - too abstaiined from posting there???!!!
Strange ;=)
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geno (@ 61.1*) on: Fri Oct 15 14:05:44 EDT 2004
Mrs PP wants to be Selective in answering some of the genuine posers that i'm making here :
I Quoted from her post and said :
{{ >> The MEDIA is dominated by a bunch of perverted, talented, money-swindling personalities! >> }}
>> So why should some "Personality" be "condoned" for "corrupting" the "moralities" of the society - and others "Hanged"?????
Where are the Ground rules for "Judging"?
Why isnt there any kind of consistency in that judgement??
If this question is approached and nswered with integrity - the storm would blow over! >>
But she refuses to answer about the Inconsistencies in "judging" whether a particular work "corrupts" society...and claims that there can be "No ground rules for judging" these things!
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geno (@ 61.1*) on: Fri Oct 15 14:07:05 EDT 2004
....And in the same breath - she claims...
>> "We, human beings, endowed with a sixth sense, having climbed so many rungs on the ladder of civilisation should know what is "cultured" life and what is not!" >>
- isnt this pathetic contradiction of her earlier statement????!!
If we really are civilized then - we would certainly be having a "Set of rules" which can never be breached..wouldnt that be so?!!
Then why should Mrs PP say that there can be "No ground rules" as such?!!
What is this called - "Rumplestiltskin's" rule of civilization?!!!
:=))))
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geno (@ 61.1*) on: Fri Oct 15 14:21:47 EDT 2004
Since our Dear Friend ukw gave me the freedom to QUOTE from her posts - i'd rather utilise it for the better!
link: "puthiya maathavikaL" thread
http://forumhub.com/poems/6353.02.37.23.html#last
>> We cant blame everything on west for sure.
How come high-class writers like TJR came up with novels like Amma vanthaaL and marappasu. I dont see anything but pervertion there.
May be TJR also got western influence? >>
So we dont have to blame everythng on the west?!!
How nice!!!
Thanx ukw!
;=)))
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geno (@ 61.1*) on: Fri Oct 15 15:35:40 EDT 2004
Another Post of PP being QUOTED here - to point out her "Inconsistent" Judgement about - what constitutes "corruption" of the "Morality" of the society :
>> From: Pavalamani Pragasam (@ 220.226.43.44) on: Wed Aug 25 07:32:51 EDT 2004
It was with some misgivings that I ventured to view the movie, New.
But I was surprised to find no reason whatsoever for the great commotion created after its release. It amuses me to think about the meaning of vulgarity/obscenity in the dictionary of many people!
It was a relief to see no celebration of precocity, decadent values, wayward youth presented jarringly in livid colours in movies like thuLLuvathO iLamai, Boys etc. >>
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geno (@ 61.1*) on: Fri Oct 15 15:42:50 EDT 2004
PP finds that "New" the thamizh movie doesnt celebrate "precocity"?!!!!!
whewwwww!!!!
An eight year old boy "marrying" and "mating" with a 20+ Girl and making her pregnant - isnt "precocious"??!!!!
Then whats the synonym of "Precocious"???!!
Humbug eh?!!!
What are we?!!
Some kindergarden kids who have "precocious" brains?!!
:=)))
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geno (@ 61.1*) on: Fri Oct 15 15:43:32 EDT 2004
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geno (@ 61.1*) on: Fri Oct 15 15:51:17 EDT 2004
Coming back to QUOTABLE QUOTES from ukw's posts :
The same link as the one given above :
http://forumhub.com/expr/14413.17590.17.01.30.html
QUOTE 1 :
>> From: ukw (@ 128.252.181.24) on: Wed Aug 25 09:29:05 EDT 2004
There are several cases, I know, where a brother-sister blood relationship with ever-green days of cheerful memory-bank-account lasts much longer and stronger than a *UrukkukkAga vAzhgiRa* husband-wife relationship or of that sort.
These do happen especially when the guy married to a ever-complaining bitch or/and the girl is married to a never-understanding selfish jerk, which is NOT VERY UNCOMMON in our arranged marriage culture or any other *civilized culture*