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Originally Posted by Sureshs65

senthil,

I was talking about the present. When you read the full sentence, including "Raja survives today', the operative word being today, I meant that Raja makes better music than anyone else who is making music today.

And ofcourse I believe MSV can make great music. Kindly check my blog. You will find that I have listed songs of MSV and more will come in future.

Again, I don't buy the 'demand for his type of music with producers went down' argument. As a great fan of MSV, who had defended him against Raja once upon a time, I did follow his music very carefully during that period. And I personally say that what he produced during that period was no patch to what he had produced earlier. I tell this as a serious listener. Yes, there are some nice songs that irir123 pointed out but they few and far between in the mid 80s. And many of the tunes had the 'heard before feel'. We can do a thorough analysis and I seriously believe that anyone objective enough, when analyzing MSV's output will clearly see a tapering of musicality towards the end of his career.

I am ofcourse ready to accept proof which proves me wrong. And as usual, you have not replied to the last line in my post.

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I didn't ignore your operative word. I still believe MSV can make great music, even today. You believe he can't and/or he didn't create good music since 1986. Cool and I respect it. But that's two opinion-- yours and mine. Not a fact.

I was not interested in tackling your last point because i felt it is irrelevant. Since you ask, here's my take.....Sivakumar (actor) has not acted in films since late 1990's. So can we assume his acting capability went down? Replace Sivakumar with any other older actor, won't it sound weird? They are not in the industry, not because their acting are irrelevant but because the roles relevant to them are not written anymore. Roles are written geared towards Suriya & co because of chances/probability to make money is more. But it is not indication of acting talent of Sivakumar or others.

Music Directors are not that different from actors. Especially the likes of MSV and Raja as they are more like musical actors and not produce something on their own. if you give them good situation, narration, story. They musically "act out" and produce great song. Every one of their song is tailored to the T to the situation. if you give them a totally cliched situation, they still give you okay songs. It is against their integrity to "over act" through music to get noticed or stand out.

They are almost like instruments in hands of producers, writers, directors. Can't blame the instrument for bad playing. Every music director has strength and weakness. One has to understand the strength and weakness of music directors to bring out the best in them. MSV was served bad stories/movies in 80's he still did okay. If we tried to figure an instance were MSV botched a good situation with an "okay" song, we have a relevant discussion. But it doesn't seem right to pin down lack of good music from him entirely down to his musical capability.

If you listen to MSV's interview, he attributes success of a song to the team of writer/lyrcist, producer, actor, camerman. Never tries to take individual credit, because it is unfair to the team. So how could we conveniently blame just him for his "failures" in 80's?

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

Just a small segway/WCM question - Some guy had posted earlier in his/her pasebuk or tuitter that the NEPV scores are good - but very less notes..
What is that implying - notes lesser or more - does it hint at anything?

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Does it mean, Raja has created some music themes using less notes - 3 or 4 notes etc..?
Let the album come!
with live orchestra of 100+ pieces, singer like Karthik's vocal, rendu moonu pattaavadhu therum.
adhai thavira instrumental bgms erukkum.
enough of speculations...
varatum modhalla....:)

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Originally Posted by baroque

Does it mean, Raja has created some music themes using less notes - 3 or 4 notes etc..?

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It could mean "minimalistic". Using less notes to convey the same point/emotion. Which Raja has been doing since late 1980's. Might be new for them.

minimalistic music means less orchestral work or using less number of instruments.

Here they have speculated 'less notes'
that's why I thought that the music themes created with less number of notes.


see...
EARLY ILAYARAJA'S KHAMAJ MASTER PIECE NAAN PESA VANDHEN....
is MINIMALISTIC ILAYARAJA!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7vP6UW7FK8


kavikkuyil's yearning janu's chinna kannan azhaikkiraan...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSTulKnpD6c

Raja blasts with bgm!


BOTH THE TYPES WE ADORE!:redjump::bluejump:

senthilv,
You are not answering Suresh ji questions, but rather defending only by blaming music scenario, producers that time does not sound good. Can I blame the music scenario of 90s for IR's so-called failures? Absolutely not! Actor vs music director comparison is lame. Same way can I ask why Prabhu, Delhi Ganesh et all are even sought now. Even Manorama, Nagesh were acting recently. Why are they writing roles for them and not for Sivakumar?. We also have to think the reason. (let's leave it aside, as this is another bigger subject).

As per the tastes of people, films, music everything changes. We have to accept that and change/adapt ourselves to support it, rather than blame the audience or producers. Even IR had a lean patch in late 90s (where he gave biggest hits like Guru, Kalapani, Kathalukku mariyaathai), but what do you think the reason he is still sought out composer? Same way, why after 86 or so no producers were coming MSV sir way? It was only after 4 years since he gave biggest hits like Thillu mullu (raagangaL pathinaaru), Shankarlal (unakkenna mElE, what a beauty!), Pollathavan (athO vaaraandi, naane endrum raja), Agni Satchi (KanA Kaanum KaNgaL mella), 47 NaatkaL (maan kanda sorgangaL), Manal Kayiru (Mandhira Punnagai), Andha 7 Naatkal (Kavithai arangErum, ENNi irundhadhu).

Same thing happened to IR during 92-95. After 95 suddenly the number of movies went down drastically. Where is 95 and where is 2012. Why are we still hearing about IR?

Suresh ji, See where a casual comparison has got us into? The one who wrote escaped from the scene, but we have to put our effort to explain things. That's why in first place I hate these comparisons.

Please don't blame me. This is how I see it. I don't have any doubt about his music ability, but MSV sir was not much interested in making music after mid-80s and also did not update himself and didn't make effort to understand peoples taste. This clearly showed up that he needed Maestro for Mella thirandhathu Kadhavu, Senthamizh Paattu and Viswa Thulasi. By 1986 when he made MTK, he should have understood what people are interested in having worked with Maestro closely, still for some reason, he did not bend himself. By this time, people have already changed their taste to appreciating the orchestration, WCM skills, BGMs, folk, guitar centric songs. Even the films were mostly out of the studio and into the villages which gave IR a big step ahead. He simultaneously updated himself in guitar, piano, WCM and also tried to bring more synthesizers into his composition (that was right from early 80s). While MSV sir mainly concentrated on melodies which was also important, but people expected more. More than his music capability, I tend to think, he lost interest.

Sameway in 90s, when ARR stormed into the scene, people's expectation changed drastically. Even though IR was stubborn in his style/trademark, the main difference lies in the fact that IR closely followed his works and made every attempt (even though he may not have liked it) to satisfy audience by learning new synthesizers, brought in new singers (just like ARR did), learned more contemporary stuff, pro-actively scored music for young and new generations directors to keep his music live. He certainly knew one day everything will be rewarded. I would say that's the fire he always keeps live, mainly for us, we music lovers. See the enthusiasm he has even now. He goes to London and still has a big group of musicians around him. He has that apetite and wil always have, because he knows nothing but music. Simply put, keep it going buddy. :thumbsup:

My last question, if music is your breath and life, how can you quit? I hope you understood my point.

Suresh ji and App, Excellent post. As always you read my mind. :notworthy: I owe you a lot.

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Mumbai Ramki - No entertainment for you!!

V_S, I will frame your last post! Really! Already took screenshot!

Thanks skv.:smile:

sumAl nitpick V_Sji...'unakkenna mElE ninRAi' was from simlA special.
(Shankarlal music by IR-GA, the only movie to credit both...)

senthil,

You say, "I was not interested in tackling your last point". That about seals the debate. As I said, I will be more than happy to be proved wrong but if no one comes forward to give exact examples there is no sense in continuing the debate.

V_S,

Nice post. I agree with most of what you said. As a critic, I have a slightly different take but I will leave it here for now.

Jai,

My take on that statement is that the brass section got to play some good stuff but not for long time. Maybe it is the typical Raja orchestration where the sax/trumpet/trombone enter during the interlude, play for half a cycle and leave. Again play briefly. I guess that is what he meant by 'playing less notes'.

genesis,

R D Burman's orchestration and Salil Da's orchestration was way ahead of the orchestration of Tamil and Telugu film songs during the early 70s. Honestly there was no match. The whole scenario changed after Raja came and the Tamil film music orchestration became more complicated than the orchestration in Hindi films. Gradually Raja took film orchestrations to astonishing levels, the heights which even today only Raja is able to reach.

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Originally Posted by Sureshs65

senthil,

You say, "I was not interested in tackling your last point". That about seals the debate. As I said, I will be more than happy to be proved wrong but if no one comes forward to give exact examples there is no sense in continuing the debate.

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I'm not interested in proving you wrong. No interest what so ever. I'm here to share, discuss and learn couple of things.

One cannot prove someone's opinion wrong and your opinion cannot become fact. That is my only point. I just asked how you can state MSV's musical capability waned. you made some more sweeping statements. If you gave specific points. I can discuss.

btw, I did tackle you point and showed why your point is irrelevant. Until you show how it is relevant. I don't know how to proceed. Pls show me what is yardstick for measuring musical capability? I'm not shying away from discussion as long as it is healthy.

V_S Sir,

Naan chinna paiyan sir and got no shoulder to lean on. Pure lonely bachelor. Can't handle such attack pls go a bit easy on me ;)

And I'm cool with with your notes/opinions as long you don't say it is a fact :) Salute.

Thanks Suresh ji.

Sorry senthilv if my post hurt you. I didn't mean it. Even though it is my opinion and would not thrust you accept it, I still believe I did objective reasoning behind it and the results are proving it comfortably.

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Originally Posted by V_S

Thanks Suresh ji.

Sorry senthilv if my post hurt you. I didn't mean it. Even though it is my opinion and would not thrust you accept it, I still believe I did objective reasoning behind it and the results are proving it comfortably.

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oh no V_S. Not at all. ur post actually made me laugh at couple of instance so I replied with a light-hearted tone. I'm a total Raja fan. Everything I know about music, including a bit i'm scratching with MSV's music is through that giant. I'm interested in drama in music that is only insight I can bring to the discussion. I know nothing about Raga or Tala.

Didn't mean to ignore your notes. I was looking up something on Youtube to post for you. Will post may be soon. Cheers.

senthil,

One last time :)

I had earlier quoted 4 different movies and four different directors approaching Raja for music. This is not an opinion. It is a fact. All I wanted was to know if such a thing happened with MSV. Ofcourse I didn't ask you this but asked genesis, who didn't reply to that point.

Now staying with facts. Let us take the two recent movies of Raja. 'SreeRamaRajyam' and 'SnehaVeedu' and also take up movies like 'PazhassiRaja' and 'Paa'. All of these created a stir in the music circles and these four were decently successful commercially as well. Again, not my opinion. I hope this will be taken as a fact. All I want you to do is to take the period of 1984 to 1986 and show me 4 such movies of MSV, which were critically acclaimed, talked about and were decently successful. I am not showing you that because I cannot think of 4 such MSV's movies during that period which are of this standard or even of the standard which MSV had in the 70s. If you can think of such movies, kindly let me know. I will surely listen to them and change my opinion if I find the music to be outstanding. I think is as objective as it can be?

And everyday I am eagerly coming to this page, with a childlike enthusiasm, to see if there are any updates about NEPV... and...:idontgetit::roll:

suresh, vs, irir, senthil, app, jai, kiru.... ooru perusunga ellaam sEndhu enna oru alasal! :clap:. sunny v/s windies pace attack paatha oru feeling! keep it going! spectators like me are having a feast!

(aside: thinking aloud, we're all so obsessed with the idea of 'comparison', aren't we? msv/ir, kvm/msv, ir/ar, zep/floyd, sunny/vishy, sach/lara, pele/mar, mgr/sivaji, kamal/rajini... ippidi pOra edam ellaam panchayathu pannidrOm. At some plane, aren't these scuffles indicators of the arrogance within each of us? yet, we will not refrain from pointing fingers at others asking them to mend their personalities. Like IR says, i think fate said to us 'nee ingye kadaa' and we merrily carry on celebrating our lowly lives!)

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Originally Posted by KV

suresh, vs, irir, senthil, app, jai, kiru.... ooru perusunga ellaam sEndhu enna oru alasal! :clap:. sunny v/s windies pace attack paatha oru feeling! keep it going! spectators like me are having a feast!

(aside: thinking aloud, we're all so obsessed with the idea of 'comparison', aren't we? msv/ir, kvm/msv, ir/ar, zep/floyd, sunny/vishy, sach/lara, pele/mar, mgr/sivaji, kamal/rajini... ippidi pOra edam ellaam panchayathu pannidrOm. At some plane, aren't these scuffles indicators of the arrogance within each of us? yet, we will not refrain from pointing fingers at others asking them to mend their personalities. Like IR says, i think fate said to us 'nee ingye kadaa' and we merrily carry on celebrating our lowly lives!)

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Annaaa!!!:clap::2thumbsup::bow::lol: My thoughts exactly, looking at many threads/forums not just here but on any social media platform where some music is dis'cuss'ed :-D you spoke my mind totally!:2thumbsup:

Suresh,

Will respond to you shortly.

V_S,

Raja himself is not taking credit for bringing/popularizing folk music in TN and requesting not to make such claims. He puts interviewer in spot my downplaying his achievement :) He says others have done it before and he is just continuing that... I think he is right. The time period was ripe to explore the music Raja was interested in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwBml...feature=relmfu

I'd say the same thing about WCM. TFM has been utilizing WCM since 40's but Raja just took it to another level with full scale adoption and fresh approach. We all know he also utilized baroque music more than any other composer in India. I think it is this unique baroque taste that we crave for.

I love belonging to Raja community/fans and having discussions, so I don't want to give a wrong impression that I'm playing other musician up or playing him down. Raja is my favorite composer but I like MSV's music all the way till the end. The same way Raja adores his music. MSV served us great music for 30 years from 1950's to 80's. Just to put him in context, he was in in his 34th year in the industry by 1986. He is a treasure and I just want us as Raja fan to treat him very carefully. Just be bit more sensitive may be? Of course this is just my sentiment.

Personally, I can't see how MSV music can go down suddenly in just 2 years or Raja for that matter in 3 years during that 92-95 period u mentioned. MSV may not make trendy music but intrinsically his music is still good and could still serve us great music. Anyway, I will think a bit about MSV 80's music more and post later

I'm just sharing some of my personal fav's of MSV's work in context of our discussion. Each song is tailored to the character and situation. MSV alone would probably never come-up this kinda of song. It is not home cooked song by thinking about music and innovation. Created by the team effort.

Also, totally no intention to discuss which/who is better, Just to show pure appreciation for the master. Sometimes it is good to go back and refresh.


Yaar Antha Nilavu - Santhi
Amazing guitar song by MSV. Electric guitar I believe and dreamy orchestration. It is still fresh and sounds so contemporary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8mgrtqbfNw


Avalukku ena Alagiya Mugam.
IMO, this song has everything in it. Melody, orchestration, chord progression, inventive arrangement, variety in each Saranam and the way saranam goes away and connects back with the main pallavi. Everything is unpredictable in this song and so fun too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXOs-ytaqD0

Pattathu Raaniyin in Sivatha Mann. IMO, this is an amazing piece of cinema. Great direction, music, dance, lyrics, acting, camerawork(possibly every possible camera technique is used in this song), production design, art direction and on top, great storytelling. I just adore the way they use whip sound through out the song to heighten the tension and climax the song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvClS5Un_vU


Enge Nimmathi -- Unparalleled. Equal to any orchestration anywhere in the world. I believe they used 100+ musicians for the first time? Every instrument has clear place and direction. They used them so beautifully to tell the story. My favorite is use of wind sound is various ways in various instruments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeHzASYET2Y


Athan Ennathan -- Waltz type use is so soothing. P.Susheela's conversation with the strings is so beautiful. Eats my heart every time I listen to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9AchQR02vY

Ammamma Keladi Thozhi- Such a effective orchestration done in simple way. Love the BGM at the beginning.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWpWTVDyM5g

Vaa Nila, Nila alla. -- Doesn't need any introduction. This after being in the industry for 25 years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV8V2oowwwI

sethilv.com, awesome, awesome. I would love to have a separate discussion on MSV music of the 80s. His melodies were getting complex that time, a real challenge for vocalists.

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Originally Posted by KV

suresh, vs, irir, senthil, app, jai, kiru.... ooru perusunga ellaam sEndhu enna oru alasal! :clap:. sunny v/s windies pace attack paatha oru feeling! keep it going! spectators like me are having a feast!

(aside: thinking aloud, we're all so obsessed with the idea of 'comparison', aren't we? msv/ir, kvm/msv, ir/ar, zep/floyd, sunny/vishy, sach/lara, pele/mar, mgr/sivaji, kamal/rajini... ippidi pOra edam ellaam panchayathu pannidrOm. At some plane, aren't these scuffles indicators of the arrogance within each of us? yet, we will not refrain from pointing fingers at others asking them to mend their personalities. Like IR says, i think fate said to us 'nee ingye kadaa' and we merrily carry on celebrating our lowly lives!)

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Annaaa!!!:clap::2thumbsup::bow::lol: My thoughts exactly, looking at many threads/forums not just here but on any social media platform where some music is dis'cuss'ed :-D you spoke my mind totally!:2thumbsup:

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Agree with u KV! Sila per Arivu Jeevi engira pOrvayila, mayyam.com kku varrathe yaaraiyaachum ethukkaathum thittrathukku thaanOnnu thONuthu! Eppa paaru kaila sombOda alaiyuraanga! Tolerance nna kilo enna vilai nnu kekkuraanga

KV, don't think the idea of 'comparison' had to be frowned upon..how do we benchmark the talent then....would be mundane if everyone chose not to and start singing their idol's hymns and expect others to do the same...now Bradman Vs Sach comparison is what keeping most of the cricket forums afloat :-)

But Artists like Raja and Kamal doesn't need anybody to be compared with and raise them. Just by thier individual capacity and talent, they both go beyond comparison.

/Dig

KV,

:D

I personally feel comparisons are inevitable for any serious music lover. This is not comparison for sake of proving one person to be better than other but for understanding. I compare the music of Madan Mohan and Roshan with that of Naushad and try to understand why many of Naushad's tunes don't appeal to me the same way that Madan Mohan and Roshan's tunes do. This enables me to understand my own aesthetics as much as the aesthetics of the music director. I compare the tunes of RDB with those of Laxmikanth Pyarelal and try to figure out why I consider RDB a great innovator and why LP's tunes sound so pedestrian. Again, this gives me an understanding of my own taste. (Believe me there are lot of people even today who love the music of LP, many of the songs I cannot stand.) These comparisons help us flesh out our own thoughts and also understand the music directors vision deeply. So if you compare for this purpose and you personally come to a conclusion that you like a particular music director more because of certain aesthetics criteria, then I don't see a problem. The problem comes only when we everyone wants to go, "My daddy strongest."

The second point I want to make is that every serious music listener is also very interested in mapping the graph of any music director. How did he start? How did he evolve? Did his evolution stop at some point? Till what point were is tunes innovative? When did they start becoming stale? I think this is something everyone does to their favorite music director. I too do it but I am probably a bit harsh when doing such an assessment. So I do end up accepting that many of our great music directors had an issue in the later part of their career and their musical abilities did diminish. This of course will always be a point of contention but having followed the career of quite a few music directors I have no choice but to say it. As I said earlier, we are just doing a graph of their career. Not an assessment of their music. If we understand this, I don't think there will be a problem. This mapping of career graph is important because it also tells us how the musician evolved and how he adapted himself.

wizzman, I ain't frowning at the idea of comparison, which IS the spice, or even lifeline, of such forums. idhellaam illatti uppuchappu illaama poidum. what's life without some 'kick' in it! ;)
My point was about debating 'humility' (and how some of us find it so unbearably difficult to accept people the way they are). When we engage in discussions in public forums, knowingly or unknowingly, we make a display of our knowledge, exposure and understanding (or the lack of all these) of things - which is parading our arrogance in some ways, IMO. With just our mundane lives if we have the right (and lack of shame) to indulge in this, why should creative personalities be given the cane? thakkali chutney/raththam analogy?

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fullA padikkalai. Music comparison ellAm purinjukka mudiyumnu thONalai. But will respond to this point alone

Great artists should not be judged by the standerts set for normal human beings-nu sollunga rightu.

Anything and everything gets disproportionately attributed to -what gets a tad thoughtlessly bandied about as - arrogance 'nu solRadhu kooda sari.

But, ellAmE edhirkatchi agenda based image- 'nRa maadhiri ellAm solla vENdAngREn.

"yEzhu swarangaLum ennidam viLayAduvadhu pOl" (Jagathratchagam book release function) and all makes one (adhaavadhu me) cringe.

I then have to remind myself of Kamal's comment that we are talking about a talent on par with that or Bharathi (agree, disagree adhu vERa matter, just invoking it for how it provides me an alternative framework to look at it) and who doesn't enjoy Bharathi's arrogance சுடர்மிகு அறிவுடன் படைத்துவிட்டாய், இந்தப் பதர்களையே எல்லாம் என்று எண்ணி இருப்பேனோ etc.

Perhaps had we been contemporaries then, we would have cringed for those too.
Today there is an inevitable mythic, larger-than-life image to it, so we consume his persona with glee.

sureshji... adhu vEra department. completely agree with what you say (and in fact, my approach is quite similar too).
msv/ir... pliss continue. my paththupaisa - keeping musical abilities of these legends aside, I think IR's adaptability to changing trends has been better (of the two). MSV, it appears to me, chose to stay away from 'evolution' beyond a certain phase. For all we know, it might have been his personal decision to keep away from the industry, considering the enormity of his bygone career. IR, on the other hand, maybe choose to take the bull by its horn - whether he tamed it is what we'll debate for eternity!

KV, oh ok..I don't get 'debating' the humility part basically nothing gives..even King Viv's detractors didn't give two hoots about his swagger/lack of humility..avaroda attatha paarthanga kaithatinanga..if and when push comes to shove and say lesser talents like Uttappam try it..we have every reason to cane him.

P_R, naan agenda ellaam sollalaye :huh:. So many of us here have been following the man and his music for so long that, by now, even someone with the slowest of grasping skills would have a fair idea of how pompous he can sound at times. Certain lines make us cringe, like you said. ‘Yes, avaru arrogant dhaan, avaru ippidi than, but please let’s move on. You don’t even have to ‘accept’ him the way he is. Let him be and move on’ - is my point. Is this such a difficult ask? So impossible a stand to take? Why should every new speech of his create a whirlpool here? Pozhachchu pOtOm nu freeya vida sollren. Bas itna sa kwaah hai!

KV, neengannA, neenga illainga.
B(K) or Plum reNdu pErla yArO sonnadhA nyAbahau (you two decide between you two).
pooraamE created bimbam-nu ellAm solla thEvaiyE illai. manushan appappo pOdhumAna aLavu fodder kudukka dhaan seyvaar 'ngREn.

maththpadi 'let him be and move on' 'nRadhula very much agree.

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Originally Posted by KV

(aside: thinking aloud, we're all so obsessed with the idea of 'comparison', aren't we? msv/ir, kvm/msv, ir/ar, zep/floyd, sunny/vishy, sach/lara, pele/mar, mgr/sivaji, kamal/rajini... ippidi pOra edam ellaam panchayathu pannidrOm. At some plane, aren't these scuffles indicators of the arrogance within each of us? yet, we will not refrain from pointing fingers at others asking them to mend their personalities. Like IR says, i think fate said to us 'nee ingye kadaa' and we merrily carry on celebrating our lowly lives!)

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V_S super post!! edhaartthamaa solringa.. aana padhaartthamaa sila neram pesa vendi irukku...

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Agree with u KV! Sila per Arivu Jeevi engira pOrvayila, mayyam.com kku varrathe yaaraiyaachum ethukkaathum thittrathukku thaanOnnu thONuthu! Eppa paaru kaila sombOda alaiyuraanga! Tolerance nna kilo enna vilai nnu kekkuraanga

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But Artists like Raja and Kamal doesn't need anybody to be compared with and raise them. Just by thier individual capacity and talent, they both go beyond comparison.

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sakala... keela irukka post maela irukka postoda continuityaa... modhallo silaper matthavangala seendradhukkunae varaanga... kaila sombu etc... apram neengalae they are beyond comparision'nu solringa... apdi pesaradhu arrogance illayaa... illa naan thappa purinjuttaen, neenga apdi mean pannalaena sorry for mistaking...

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KV, neengannA, neenga illainga.
B(K) or Plum reNdu pErla yArO sonnadhA nyAbahau (you two decide between you two).
pooraamE created bimbam-nu ellAm solla thEvaiyE illai. manushan appappo pOdhumAna aLavu fodder kudukka dhaan seyvaar 'ngREn.

maththpadi 'let him be and move on' 'nRadhula very much agree.

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P_R,
arrogance'nu neenga solradha self-pride'nu edutthukkalaamaa??
oru artist'ku self-pride irukkanum illayaa... naan nallaa senjirukkaenu kooda nenakka koodaadhunu solringalaa... thaan nallaa senjirukkenu feel pannadhukku apram dhaanae satisfy aagi makkalukku adha kudukka thayaarnra mudivukku varuvaanga...? ellaamae 'maela irukkavan kudukkuraan'nu sollikittae irundhaa apram quality korayara timela 'maela irukkavan adhukku maela kudukkala'nu responsibility koraya vaaippu irukkae... imo, MSV is not in the scene for the past 15 yrs not becos of the only reason that others did not approach him much for his movies, mainly cos he has given up thinking that his time is over and he has already finished the job he is given by his almighty... more becos of his drooping humility... apdiyae melt'aagi kumbutruvaaru(by nature)... remembering a stage scene with rajini next to him... i would not call it lack of faith in him to create more music, he knows he can, but he just thinks that his job is over and he should now give way for the youngsters and not compete with them....
aaan... enna solla vandhaen... epdi mudikkiradhunu therila... oru maadhiri solla varradhu purinjaa sari....

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Originally Posted by P_R

KV, neengannA, neenga illainga.
B(K) or Plum reNdu pErla yArO sonnadhA nyAbahau (you two decide between you two).
pooraamE created bimbam-nu ellAm solla thEvaiyE illai. manushan appappo pOdhumAna aLavu fodder kudukka dhaan seyvaar 'ngREn.

maththpadi 'let him be and move on' 'nRadhula very much agree.

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If I've got them right, I think the bottomline of their argument also is kinda the same - why should there be a neeya-naana staged everytime he speaks in public? adhdhaan character certificate la 'BAD' nu pOtachu illa, appuram yen marka marka panchayathu? certificate renewal aa?

P_R,

Given Raja's monstrous output and the quality of that output, it is very possible that future generations will say, "This man did so much and did not talk too much about himself. Yes, there are a few videos of him saying "I did this or I did that", but overall avar senjadhukku avar pesinadhu kammi". Maybe because we live the same era as him, we think otherwise.

We heard Gowtham saying "Surya called me and told we should make a film with IR music".
Will they use IR for this ??

http://www.thehindu.com/arts/cinema/article3550475.ece

Hit combo, yet again

Director Gautham Vasudev Menon is to join hands with actor Suriya for their third project after Kakha Kakha and Vaaranam Aayiram. The ace filmmaker is to direct Thuppariyum Anandhan in which Suriya will play a detective. Gautham will begin work on Thuppariyum Anandhan after he finishes Yohan:Adhyayam Ondru with Vijay. It is a period flick. Gautham, in a release, said, “I am really excited Suriya has come on board to do Thuppariyum Anandhan with me. An action adventure, it is a period film with a contemporary twist. All clichés associated with making a period film will be broken with this effort.”

Work on the film is expected to start early next year.

less chances, IMO.

thappE illeenga, I was only reacting to one statement somewhere (which I am now not able to locate now :oops:) to the effect that: "ellAm edhirkatchikkaaranga yERpaduththina maaya bimbam".

yaarukku solringa...?
andha maadhiri oru line sivaji fans solli kaetta nyaabagam...

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sakala... keela irukka post maela irukka postoda continuityaa... modhallo silaper matthavangala seendradhukkunae varaanga... kaila sombu etc... apram neengalae they are beyond comparision'nu solringa... apdi pesaradhu arrogance illayaa... illa naan thappa purinjuttaen, neenga apdi mean pannalaena sorry for mistaking...

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Naan Kaila sombooda paakkuravanga thalaila Nong unnu adikkirenaa. Naan Adichaa mathavanga paathuttu summaa iruppaangaLaa? Beyond Comparision nnu ory totality la sonnen, athu thappunnaa neenga sollaporeenga, naan answer panna pOren. ithu arogaraas kedayaathu.

But sila tones, silaroda tones, of post ellaam arogaraas therikkuthu. Naan athai sonnen.

Nermayaana Panchaayaths um nadakkuthu. Suresh65 posted about that IR-MSV thing, though he don't do this always(avar pannaalum thappillai ngrathu vera vishayam!) sometimes even he does. Ppl like Genesis are arguing with him. Smooth aa thaan poyitrukku. I mean kai kalappu levellukku porathillai.

Thats why i CLEARLY mentioned "yaaraiyaachum ethukkaathum thittrathukku thaanOnnu thONuthu"