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Murali sir, your post is astonishing to the say least ! I am saving it
:exactly: +1Quote:
Originally Posted by anban
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Originally Posted by hattori_hanzo
Dr. Swamy and co most likely are not particularly happy with Kamal 'stealing' the 'sanyasa mantra' sloka from Shri Jayendra Saraswati through L Subramaniam who walked out of 'Hey Ram' precisely for that reason !
Dr. Swamy may not admit it, but I suspect thats the crux of the disagreement he might have with Kamal's persona!
நீங்க அவ்வளவு தூரம் ரொம்ப Deep-ஆ போகவேண்டிய அவசியமே இல்ல. கன்சர்வேட்டிவ், பக்திமார்க்க மற்றும் மதவாத அடிப்படைவாதிகள் யாராக இருந்தாலும் கமல் தனது படங்களில் தொடர்ந்து செய்துவரும் / பேசிவருவதை கவனித்தாலே கோபம் அல்லது கருத்து வேறுபாடு இயல்பாகவே வரும்னு நினைக்கிறென்.Quote:
Originally Posted by irir123
Exactly!!Quote:
Originally Posted by venkkiram
ரொம்ப சரி.Quote:
Originally Posted by venkkiram
அந்த ஒரு காரணத்தினால் தான் இவருக்கு நிறைய எதிரிகள் என்று தோன்றுகிறது. இவருக்கு வேண்டாத வேலை.
Thanks Karthi [Anban] & Karthi [CR] and of course to the man who made me to write all these things - h_h.
Regards
you ppl know each other by name? :confused2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Murali Srinivas
we have met in person tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Unmai Vilambi
wow..
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4287b45c.jpg
An old/rare picture..
அபுதாபியில் கமல் விருது பெற்ற நிகழ்வின் சிறப்பு படங்கள்
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5e114166.jpg
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/...ps305e899e.jpg
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/...ps305e899e.jpg
எனக்கெல்லாம் அதுதான் கமலிடத்தில் காணப்படும் மற்றவரிடத்தில் காணப்பெறாத தனித்துவம்! சமூகத்தில் பல்லாண்டுகாலமாக சிலரால் மட்டுமே இதுபோன்ற கருத்துக்கள் பரப்பப்பட்டு மனித நேயம் தழைத்தோங்க வழிவகை செய்தது. கமல் அதை சினிமா என்ற ஊடகத்தில் வழி பரப்புவது பாராட்டப்படவேண்டிய ஒன்று. சினிமா என்பதோடு மட்டுமல்லாமல் தனிப்பட்ட வாழ்க்கையிலும் கூடியமட்டும் அதைக் கடைபிடிக்க முயல்பவர். இதெல்லாம் ரசிகர்கள் பெருமைப்படக் கூடிய ஒன்று. பிரதமர் நரசிம்மராவிடம் நேரில் சென்று அவரது அதிகார இயலாமையை கேள்வி கேட்கும் நல்ல உள்ளத்தை மெச்சனும். அறம்.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unmai Vilambi
venkkiram
Kamal oru thalai sirandha padaippaali - 100% true;
Kamal oru super sindhanayaalar - 100% true;
Kamal oru top tucker kalaignar - 100% true;
Kamal oru arivaali - 100% true;
Kamal padithhavar - 100% true;
Aanaal - avar adikkadi 'political correctness' (PC) ngra valaikkul vendum endrey thannai sikkikkolvaar - while I eagerly await 'marudhanayagam', the trailer of the film that says a particular religion is a religion of peace is not just being PC, its downright false and sounds lame!
History has repeatedly shown that - and Kamal would know better - for reasons of political expediency, he often soft-pedals on certain ideas which have proved dangerous before and are still dangerous now - for example, he conveniently chooses not to acknowledge (at least publicly) that the kind of doctrine a group like the ISIS is following now (which btw is very conveniently ignored by many leftist intellectuals in India and elsewhere) is what many have done in the past, beginning with Qasim, Ghori, Ghazzini, Babar, Aurangzeb et al - history has repeatedly portrayed them as 'champions' when they were barbarians at the least!
in one interview, I recall Kamal calling Hitler an 'impressive' figure ! Kamal calls himself a rationalist, and Hitler was anything but rational (12 and half million wiped out because he thought they were not equal humans) - of course, it is easy to claim that perhaps its all a question of interpreting his words - no, i do think Kamal often lets loose his words without realizing what he is saying - niraiyya muranbaadugal.
in a recent interview, he claims Mughalaya money was used by the west to invest in most discoveries/inventions ! as if Mughalaya money came from Mughals' hard dedicated work - as if these guys came waving a white flag ! adhuvey suttadhu / kollai adithhadhu /sooraiyaadiyadhu dhaan - but I have rarely heard him say anything about that angle.
maybe he would act/speak differently if it were a different set of political / social circumstances, but he is as much to be blamed for creating controversies for himself when not needed.
Hey Ram was/is a classic - his passionate take on partition and Gandhi's assassination, yet portrayed factually and dispassionately, perfect cross between high-class drama and well-researched documentary - yet, there have been many complaints abt how ppl from a certain community were portrayed negatively in the beginning of the film leading to the riot scenes, while the same complainants took refuge in the fact that Gandhi's assassin was from the other community ! For sure, Kamal would have seen these reactions/responses and yet he chooses to be PC probably out of a survival instinct.
Post 2G scam, why would he publicly praise a man obviously involved in more than one scams, in a public function ? would he not have known that the very man he praised was one of the kingpins in recent scams ? its puzzling why someone who is obviously very smart - act like someone who is not !
As it is - it is very difficult for anyone to be a Kamal Hassan in the Indian movie industry - only as an artiste!
so, why does he make things even more difficult by jumping deep into cesspools when it is not required ?
I disagree that Dr. Swamy is a fundamentalist - he has taken stance against Indira Gandhi during Emergency, against anyone who crosses the line, very experienced and knowledgeable abt constitutional law, history etc - we need more like him. The very fact that he is against film/movie personalities coming into politics in TN makes him special.
Regarding heyram please check this..Kamalhaasan portrayed exactly the same kolkatta incident in heyram and u cant call it as purposely done..Quote:
Originally Posted by irir123
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noakhali_riots
Muranpaadu-- I cant say kamal is like that..He is reading the history and he continue to read..When u dig more about history you know more and the updated thinking will contradict with past thinking..and he is not doing that for political correctness as well..
And finally u call Swamy as fundamentalist which many people will disagree..lot of true stories abt him in savukku as well..
You got me wrong - either you didnt read my posting correctly or didnt understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by USV
Did I say Hey Ram was not factual ?? NO - I said its one of the most well-researched films portraying things as they were -
HOWEVER, Muslim groups took offence that the opening scenes leading to the riots involved a rape murder being done by Muslims - the same groups were ok when a Hindu (Godse) is shown assassinating Gandhi ! thats what I was pointing out - why is Kamal putting up with crap from these guys who expect to be pampered ?
Muranpadu - referring to Hitler, or the invading Arabs/Mughals as impressive figures in gloating terms, when it is clear they were barbaric - is definitely contradictory to his rational humane views.
I did NOT call Swamy a fundamentalist ! I said calling him a fundamentalist is wrong! we need more ppl like him
ok..fine..thanks for clarifying..Quote:
Originally Posted by irir123
a few positives does not make an evil snobbish moron , a good person ..
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Originally Posted by Anban
if you are referring to Dr. Swamy, I disagree with you - I can give so many examples to point out (not his credentials, they speak for themselves) his correct decisions and the stand he takes (refusing to withdraw the case against JJ even though they are in friendly terms, pointing out how the word Karunanidhi itself is from sanskrit boldly in public, his astute analysis of the political situation, constitutional law etc) - but that is a different subject
He does not have clear ideologies. What is big if some one is against film personalities coming in to politics. He sensationalize some issues to keep himself in the limelight, other than that he did not do anything good for India. It is better this people not given any importance.Quote:
Originally Posted by irir123
He just steals the lime light from some selfless bureaucrats who were the real force behind bringing out the various scams. He trumpets as if he is the saviour of India. He is just nothing more than a right wing fanatic
excellent write-up irir sir.
"he is as much to be blamed for creating controversies for himself when not needed" totally agree.
"yet he chooses to be PC probably out of a survival instinct" :clap:
exactly my view. (IMHO) i always believed, due to his 'background', he artificially indulges in atheism and anti-Brahmanism so that ppl don't reject him. but he somehow misses this stature is hated by normal ppl. his belief (or not) is for him, why he force his views upon others. a good example is maniratnam a known athieist..have we ever seen him hurting others' belief?
Dr. Swamy we need more like him :rotfl: he is a clone, not to be taken seriously..just laugh and leave
அவர் படைப்பை குறை சொல்றவங்க சொல்லிட்டுபோகட்டும். இந்திய நாட்டில் பல தளங்களில் இஸ்லாமிய சமூகத்தின் பங்களிப்பை திரைப்படங்களில் சரியாக பதியவில்லை. தீவிரவாதம் என்ற குடையில் இந்திய மண்ணில் வேரூன்றிய எண்ணற்ற பல நல்ல உள்ளங்களை பிரிவினைவாதம் பேசி துன்புறுத்தக் கூடாது. பண்டைய வரலாற்றுக்கும் எதிர்கால சுபிட்சத்திற்கும் இடையே உள்ள பாலம் கமல். அதை நிகழ்கால முரண்பாடுகளைக் கொண்டு எடைபோடத் தேவையில்லை என்பதே என் பார்வை.Quote:
Originally Posted by irir123
venki sir, unity in diversity is the fabric exclusive to India and we are all proud of it. only irritant is the selective amnesia of kh.
என்னங்க உங்களோட பார்வையில் தர்க்கமிருப்பதாகத் தெரியலையே! என்னமோ இறைநம்பிக்கை மட்டும் நம்ம நாட்டுல வேறுயாராலும் உந்தப்படாத, ஒருவனுக்குள் அச்சிந்தனை தானாகவே தோன்றுவது போல சொல்றிங்க.. எந்தவொரு இஸமும் பரவத் தான் செய்யும். மாவீரர், கௌதமர், இயேசு எல்லோருமே பரப்புரை செய்தவர்கள்தான். இறைநம்பிக்கை என்ற பெயரில் படர்ந்துகிடைக்கும் மூடப் பழக்கவழக்கங்கள், மதச்சடங்குகள், அடக்குமுறைகள், பிறரை ஏமாற்றிப் பிழைத்தல் போன்றவைகளை கண்டு ஒருவர் இறைமறுப்பு நிலைக்குச் செல்வது இயல்பே. அது ஒரு சிந்தனை. சிந்தனை பரவும் சக்திகொண்டது.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unmai Vilambi
Swamy is dead against Dravidian politics. He has been criticizing the people of Tamil Nadu for blindly following Cinema, actors and actors-turned-politicians (He calls it 'maayai'). This is something I like in him. I too find our people getting too involved in movies, so much that the way we speak, the things we do are all directly influenced by films & actors. This is prevalent in other parts of India too but the extent is much larger here. He cares a damn about the power and clout of politicians (When talking about Jaya, he says 'ava solluva, pannuva', without any 'rrrr'). And he is hell bent on bringing the congress family behind bars - Robert Vadra, Sonia & Priyanka are still in his hitlist. For the impact he has created in modern day politics, he sure isn't an ordinary clown but an Appu - oru chinna goliya vechu uyira vaangum clown ;)
அடேங்கப்பா! சூனாபானாவுக்கு இப்படி ஒரு ஆதரவா இம்மையத்தில்! எலி, பொறுக்கி என தமிழர்களை சாடுவருக்கேல்லாம் வக்காலத்தா? புல்லரிக்குதுப்பா! இதே சூனா பானா இப்படியும் சொல்லியிருக்கிறார் தெரியுமோ!
http://www.thehindu.com/news/nationa...cle5407975.ece
சூனாபானா சில பல ஊழல்களை அம்பலப் படுத்துவதில் குஷியா! பல எம்.பிக்களை வாங்கி நரசிம்மராவ் ஆட்சி உடையாமல் பார்த்துக்கொண்டவர் தானே இவர். அரசியல்வாதி, சமூக ஆர்வலர் என எதிலுமே வரையறை செய்யமுடியாத பண்புகளை கொண்ட மனிதர். சந்தர்ப்பவாதி.
அண்ணே வணக்கம். raising voice against மூடப் பழக்கவழக்கங்கள், மதச்சடங்குகள், அடக்குமுறைகள், பிறரை ஏமாற்றிப் பிழைத்தல் is perfectly justified. ஈ வே ரா, மு.க, nsc and many others did that and the system improved a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by venkkiram
the discussion is getting cliched. 1. respect islam but dont fear to raise voice against women oppression, jihad. 2. respect Christianity but dont fear to raise voice against sainthood to child-molesters, force conversions. 3. respect Hinduism but dont fear to raise voice against sati (non-existing), untouchability (almost wiped out but still existing)
நெஞ்சில் கை வைத்து சொல்லுங்க whether any of the above persons followed this unbiased practice. NO. they did the first part of both 1 and 2 and second part of 3 and failed to do first part of 3. how this is justified.
unfortunately KH also follows their foot step. he is hindu hence will voice only against hinduism makes him biased IMHO. (I think i dont need to reiterate again and again im diehard fan of KH)
Eli = LTTEs
Porrukki = supporters of LTTE
This is what I understood from his tweets. There wasn't anything against the Tamils in general. Why should someone who doesn't support Eelam cause not admire Swamy for his stand against corrupt and powerful politicians, whom others will not even fight in their dreams? I like Kamal as an entertainer, not for his ideologies. Similarly there are certain traits I like in other individuals too. I do not know about the PVN episode but I like the way SS stood against all odds and brought Jaya behind bars. I don't know what he gained from it but her arrest, at least proved that people in high places can not set a bad example for their partymen.
பகுத்தறிவு கருத்துக்களை எல்லாம் அவர் படங்கள் மூலமாகவும் எழுத்து மூலமாகவும் பேசுவது அவரது கருத்து சுதந்திரம் என்று விட்டு விடுவது நல்லது.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unmai Vilambi
மற்ற சமயங்களை அவர் விமர்சிக்காததால் அவரை முதுகெலும்பில்லாதவர் என்று சொல்வதும் சரியல்ல.
agreed..spineless was a harsh term..wanted to mean biased. but அவரது கருத்து சுதந்திரம் should not hit others' சுதந்திரம். i heard somewhere "your right extends only upto the tip of your nose"
..want to end this dig here. lets concentrate on thalaiver's releases not on his controversial opinions.
கமல்ஹாஸனை எனக்கு சிறு வயதிலிருந்தே தெரியும். என் தெருவில் உள்ள சந்தானபாரதி வீட்டிற்கு அடிக்கடி வருவார். பார்த்தால்" ஹலோ " சொல்லி கொள்வோம். அப்போதைய எங்கள் நட்பு அவ்வளவுதான். நான் ஒளிப்பதிவாளரான பின்பு கூட கமலை சந்திக்க வில்லை. நாயகன் படத்தில் இணைந்து பணி புரிந்த போதுதான் பார்த்து கொண்டோம். கமல்ஹாசன் ஒவ்வொரு காட்சியிலும் சிறிய விஷயங்களில் கூட அவர் ஆழ்ந்த ஈடுபாடு காட்ட கூடியவர். நாயகன் படத்தில் கடற்கரை காட்சி ஒன்றில் கமல் மகளாக வரும் கார்த்திகா காரை வேகமாக ஓட்ட , கமல் வேகத்தை குறைக்க சொல்லுவார். வேகத்தில் கார்த்திகா சட்டென்று பிரேக் போடுவார். அதனால் கமல் முன் சீட்டிலிருந்து விழுந்து தாவி பல்டியடித்தபடி பானட்டில் விழுந்து , அங்கிருந்து தரையில் போய் நிற்பார். ஒரே ஷாட்டில் இது வரும். இந்த சாகசம் வேறு யாரும் செய்ய கூடியதல்ல. நடிப்புடன் கலந்த ஸ்டண்ட் சமாச்சாரம் இது. டைரக்டர் மணிரத்னம் ஏதாவது சாகசம் செய்யுங்கள் என்று மட்டும் சொன்னார். ஆனால் கமல் இவ்வளவு பிரமாதமாக செய்வார் என்று நாங்கள் எதிர்பார்க்கவில்லை. - பி.சி ஸ்ரீராம்.
There may be 100 issues. One need not raise voice against all 100.
But I also would prefer Nammavar shows the guts to expose issues with all communities !
Wow !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravi Ravi
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Originally Posted by venkkiram
neenga solradhu vaasthavam pola thaan !
irai maruppu oru sindhanai thaan - adhai oru tharappu makkalai sutti kaattiyey naan oru paguthharivuvaadhi yendru sollikkollakkoodadhu - when was the last time a Kamal film was banned /faced as much trouble (in terms of magnitude) as in VR release ?
udaney idhu JJ senja soozhchhi appdeembeenga !
all that would have taken for the TMMK and related parties is to say "this film is ok we have no problems with it" - JJ would not have been able to do anything with its release - ivangalukku thangaloda perceived aggrievances patri thambattam adithhukolvadharkku oru excuse venum - adhukku thaan 'indha padam romba mosam, muslimgalukku edhirana karuthhu sollappattrukku' kinda nonsense.
am no big fan of Mani Ratnam as a creator after he became repetitive - aanaa adhukkaaga, post 'Mumbai' padam release he was targeted - you don't like a movie don't watch it - adhukkaaga, kalla yeriven, gunda thookki poduven etc etc cannot and should not be tolerated.
idhu thondru thottu pona 50-60 varudangalaaga nadandhu varudhu (mostly thanks to the virus called congress - saniyan oru vazhiyaa ozhindhadhu though temporarily).
yenna niraiyya per kekkaraanga - Slumdog Millionaire engira padathhai udharanam kaatti - adhudhaan india vaa ?! not that they are being deliberately insulting - they are just plain ignorant of the fact that Mumbai is home to 1.25 million illegal immigrants from Bangladesh who have no basic skill sets, and they are a major burden on the city's infrastructure - on top of it, the super-rich Muslims(check out the Aga Khani clan for example - filthily rich) don't do much to uplift their own kith and kin - keep their women illiterate - they are subjecting their own ppl to immeasurable suffering and don't anyone dare point this out.
I don't want to go into money laundering activities - thats a different story - but if you wish, check out the many money exchange centers in Brigade / MG Road, Commercial Street (Bangalore) or in Egmore (Chennai) - I was shocked when I got an 'exchange rate' of Rs.80 for $1 USD when the actual exchange rate was hovering around Rs.40 per USD few years ago - so where do they get the extra cash to buy dollars ? it all goes back to centers in Mumbai, Hyderabad, with channels to the gulf countries - if you look deeper into why they are willing to pay double the exchange rate for a dollar, it becomes clear that there is a demand for hard currency for sinister purposes - needless to add, the brigade rd/MG road / crawford market (mumbai) areas are owned by the wakf board - the richest board in India btw, in terms of ownership of prime real estate property ! aannaa naanga baadhikkappattavangalaakkum, yengala odukkareengannu sadhaa whining
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Originally Posted by Anban
avar right wing fanatic thaan.
SS says - culturally we are all one - the Muslims and Christians of this country are all genetically related - and descended from common ancestors.
Owaisi says - ask the law & order to go quiet for 15 minutes and see what the 20% Muslims are capable of doing to the majority Hindus
sandhegamey illai - SS oru right wing fanatic thaan
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Originally Posted by venkkiram
LTTE wiped out every other contemporary group in Eelam - PLOT, ERPLF etc - and used innocent ppl as shields to launch attacks.
LTTE was hand-in-glove involved with other terror groups and had no problems with money from rings involved in trafficking of drugs, prostitution, arms deals.
Even the tamils feared them - FYKI my sister-in-law is a Sri Lankan Tamil so I get personal accounts from her family - had there been a separate land for Tamils, the LTTE would have gone the Hamas/Hezbollah way. Also a former PLOT member had to run away from a camp after attacked by the tigers and since his parents were known to us, he stayed/lived with our extended family for a few years - now he is somewhere in Europe (btw, most Sri Lankan tamils in their youth from the 1980s are in Europe, Canada and elsewhere).
the likes of MK capitalized on the sufferings of tamils for vote banks and there are characters like Seeman who have no clue of the ground reality in northern Sri Lanka.
also btw, the TMMK didn't utter a single honest heartfelt remark abt the plight of the tamils in Sri Lanka - its not surprising that Muslims dont constitute the suffering no amongst the Sri Lankan tamils - if only 2-3% of Sri Lankan tamils were muslims, groups like TMMK et al would have brought TN to a standstill.