Khan Saheb Kamal Haasan's Jamaat/Jeba Koottam/Devasthaanam - Part 8

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Originally Posted by Saai

@IRIR and Groucho

Nayagan was accepted by the american critics right? What about Tarantino's homages? Sergio leano remade kurawara isnt it? I dont think they will be that foolish to ignore what Kamal brought to the table in Mahanadhi just by those two scenes from whichever movies you were talking about...

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getting inspired is not wrong, every artist does - Kamal does come up with brilliant original ideas as in Aboorva Sagodharargal, Pushpak, Virumandi, MX (contrary to what many claim, MX is one of Kamal's better works, IMO). However, it is when he does not give credit to the original source, and later on ppl like me come to know the source, it gets irritating!

if that can happen to a normal movie-goer/watcher like me, i leave it to your imagination as to what an average film critic in the West would say when he watches an Indiran Chandiran (inspired from Richard Dreyfuss's "Moon Over Parador"), or Sati Leelavathy ("She devil") - just to name a few.

noone denied his versatility, or his mercurial talents - if he can credit Javed Akthar for Sathya's story, or Nihalini for Kurudhi punal, why not the same for an english film ?

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Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar

I don't want to elaborately reply except for one thing. Just get down to TN roads and ask any stranger Public, WHat you like in kamal" get answer as deep/specific as possible. Surely they will be ready to answer in-depth becos it is for Kamal! whatever they list, surely, will be a trait / talent/event/act which he had achieved on his own only, and all these so called inspirations/copy will just remain as a small part of the hube work he had done adn none of them would feature in the like list of general public.

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as part of general public, even i was and still am in awe of kamal's talents and his output, and would have remained the same like "most public on TN roads" had i NOT come to learn abt the original sources for these films!

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Originally Posted by irir123

if that can happen to a normal movie-goer/watcher like me, i leave it to your imagination as to what an average film critic in the West would say when he watches an Indiran Chandiran (inspired from Richard Dreyfuss's "Moon Over Parador"), or Sati Leelavathy ("She devil") - just to name a few.

noone denied his versatility, or his mercurial talents - if he can credit Javed Akthar for Sathya's story, or Nihalini for Kurudhi punal, why not the same for an english film ?

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hmmm!!! I have already given examples where inspirations are accepted by the west. Did they credit copolla/Leone in Nayagan or did they credit kurosawa in a fistful of dollars? It is a Maniratnam/Leone movie though they are inspired. Right?

I have not watched She Devil. But I would rate Sathi leelavathi original just based on all the charecters in the movie - From Sakthivel Kavunder to Ramesh Arvind's Father, I dont think She Devil would have had it. I dont think "moola kadhai" deserves much attention in the visual medium like Cinema. When the screenplay writer and actors make it their own, its their own.

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Originally Posted by irir123

getting inspired is not wrong, every artist does - Kamal does come up with brilliant original ideas as in Aboorva Sagodharargal, Pushpak, Virumandi, MX (contrary to what many claim, MX is one of Kamal's better works, IMO). However, it is when he does not give credit to the original source, and later on ppl like me come to know the source, it gets irritating!

if that can happen to a normal movie-goer/watcher like me, i leave it to your imagination as to what an average film critic in the West would say when he watches an Indiran Chandiran (inspired from Richard Dreyfuss's "Moon Over Parador"), or Sati Leelavathy ("She devil") - just to name a few.

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IRIR sir -

Neenga solrathu is akin – the criticism on apple for patenting all its product .while the techno gadget world widely claims apple hasn’t actually invented anything new but made best use of the existing technology to come up with a sophisticated product – hence if they don’t atleast give due credit to the pioneers of the technology they shudnt claim it as their own. But the genius of apple lies with – why no one else did it the way they did!!!

Qt inspire agumpothu he didn’t call it out in the title or end credit cards – or heck even we did not boast around until he spilled the bean. So now ,even after we know about it , we aren’t discrediting him for killy billy or for that matter even the sequence. I am more awed by how he added those extra raunchiness – the v shaped blood splattered etc. thats his touch.
so to ur point - avar suttalum athula avoroda (kathala kathala) 'I like your touch' irukirathala it doesnt matter
Inspiration ethuva venumanalum irukalam sir – be it in a reel or in real world– how the creator handles it lies the genius n not the source.

kathal typical example - how many really Empathized with the real person who inspired the movie

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Originally Posted by Saai

@IRIR and Groucho

Nayagan was accepted by the american critics right? What about Tarantino's homages? Sergio leano remade kurawara isnt it? I dont think they will be that foolish to ignore what Kamal brought to the table in Mahanadhi just by those two scenes from whichever movies you were talking about...

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irir talked about entire movie copying. I just mentioned scenes. Scenes inspire, homage-nu sollalAm. Leone's inspiration did became an issue, that was later settled.

irir, if Kamal were to credit the Hollywood folks, he has one big problem - the moolah. I trust he paid the Hindi fellers for the rights (if he produced it). But that's a big chunk if you were to pay for all those biggies from Hollywood.

In any case, I have always maintained that some of his "inspired" films are better than the original, like Mrs. Doubtfire, What about bob, Planes, trains..., even Moon Over Paradour (which was remade in short period of time as Dave)

http://tamil.oneindia.in/movies/spec...al-163066.html

'கடவுளை நம்பாத கமலோடு, கடவுளை நம்பும் நீங்கள் எப்படி நட்பாக இருக்க முடியும்?'

http://tamil.oneindia.in/img/2012/10...ilaya5-300.jpg



-இப்படி ஒரு கேள்வியை வாசகர்கள் இளையராஜாவிடம் கேட்டுள்ளனர். அதற்கு இளையராஜா அளித்துள்ள பதில் படு யதார்த்தம்...
"நண்பர்களாக இருக்க முடியாதல்லவா... ஆனால் நண்பர்களாக இருக்கிறோம். அதுதானே விஷயம். உண்மையில் அவர் ஒரு ஆழ்வார்தான். கடவுளை நம்புவதோ நம்பாமல் இருப்பதோ.. இரண்டிலும் பொதுவாக இருப்பது ஒன்றே ஒன்றுதான். அது நம்பிக்கை. கமல் கடவுள் இல்லை என்று நம்புகிறார். நான் உண்டு என்று நம்புகிறேன். இந்த இரண்டிலும் இருப்பது நம்பிக்கை ஒன்றே.

அதுதான் கடவுள் என்பது அவருக்குத் தெரியாது, எனக்குத் தெரியும். பெயர் வேறு வேறாக இருந்தால், கடவுளும் வேறு வேறாக இருப்பாரா?
அங்கே இப்படி இங்கே அப்படி என்பதெல்லாம் அவர் விஷயத்தில் கிடையாது. எல்லா மதங்களும் பெயரளவில் வேறுவேறாக இருந்தாலும், ஒரு பொருள்தான்.
கமல், கடவுள் இல்லை என்று சொல்கிறாரே என்பதற்காக கடவுள் வருத்தப்படவும் மாட்டார். கடவுளா அவர் கிடக்கிறார் என்று கமல் சொல்வதை அவர் கண்டு கொள்ளவும் மாட்டார்.
அடடே இதைப் பாருங்கள்... அவர் கிடக்கிறார் என்றாலும் இருக்கிறார் என்றுதானே பொருள் வருகிறது.
வள்ளுவனையும் கம்பனையும் பாரதியையும் விட கமல், தான் அறிவில் சிறந்தவன் என அவரே சொல்வாரா? அப்படியே சொன்னாலும் அது உண்மையாகுமா?
நம் எல்லோரையும் விட கடவுளை நம்புகிறவர் அவர்தான். இல்லாவிட்டால் தன் படங்களுக்கு அன்பே சிவம், தசாவதாரம், விஸ்வரூபம் என்று பெயர் வைப்பாரா?"
-இப்படி பதிலளித்துள்ளார் இசைஞானி. இதற்கு கலைஞானி என்ன சொல்லப் போகிறாரோ!

இந்த சுத்தி சுத்தி பேசுறது - அவர்ட்டேர்ந்து இவர்க்கு வந்துச்சா, இவர்ட்டேர்ந்து அவருக்கா?

:lol: oru kuttai, two different mattais.

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Originally Posted by rAsA

கடவுளை நம்புவதோ நம்பாமல் இருப்பதோ.. இரண்டிலும் பொதுவாக இருப்பது ஒன்றே ஒன்றுதான். அது நம்பிக்கை.

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Good job!

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Originally Posted by groucho070

:lol: oru kuttai, two different mattais.

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:rotfl: