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Hi,
Today I came across some words formations in Tamil - English/ Hindi(Sanskrit) and would like to know the roots.
The word Kol in Tamil is almost the same as Kill in English, Please let me know the possible root for this word and your reasons.
The Word Murder in English is very close to the Sanskrit word Maranam, as per Mr. Masilamani, this sanskrit word is of Tamil root, which means something like Maram tree, as this is the state of a dead man. This means the Word Murder is also one of the detrivative of tamil word... your opinion please..
Thanks,
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Very good question! According to legal history William the Conqueror imposed a fine on those who committed culpable homicide and he called this fine “murdrum”. He does not appear to have left any note as to where he took this word from. The word murder came from murdrum.
Conflicting with it or adding to it, the English etymologists looked for a connection to the word and eventually pointed their fingers at OE morthor and Old French murdre. The Germanic had a strikingly similar term and that was identified.. That was as far as they went. Sanskrit has not been adverted to by these persons. Sanskrit does not show it to be a fine imposed. Latin has “mortua”. Latin was invented language of the Roman Empire.
Tamil term: madi > mari. (to show you the full words ).
-da and –ra interchangeable.
(mar) > mari
( mar) > maram
mari + aNam (suffix) = maraNam.
cf: kattu + aNam = kattaNam. and others.
Only Tamil/ Dravidian has the verbal root "mari". In MalayLam, it is still in common (home) use. Madi is in literary usage in Tamil. According to Western linguists themselves, if a language has the verb and the other languages have the nouns formed therefrom, the one having the verb should be the source language. Now apply this rule. Result?
I will write about "kill" later. Now pressed for time.
Mord -> murderQuote:
Originally Posted by bis_mala
Ermorden -> to murder
toeten -> to kill
tot -> dead
Tod -> Death
late (German) -- kol-lutal (Tamil). kill
wolte (German) -- ozithal (Tamil) die
comment: nil.
DevaneyappaavaaNar in 1952 (if I remember correctly) published few hundred words which sound very close or as you say: "almost the same as". Others too have published lists of such words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chappani
PaavaaNar theorized that Tamil is the first mother of (all) other languages. "Muthal thaai mozi". Many quarters were displeased.
However, now Western linguists are working on a Proto-World Language theory, which might also be able to put an end to the claims made by people such as Tamils (one example in their minds, though not the only example).
They believe Proto-World Language Theory and the dispersion of people from somewhere near the Promised Land would also satisfy Christian doctrines and the relevant story in the Bible.
I have in one post pointed out in the History Section how the word makan (son) has close- sounding words in many other languages. Even mac (as in MacDonald). (This “mac” was pointed out by Western researchers).
Caldwell himself surfaced many homonyms between Tamil and other world languages.
Study of words (etymology) has been used in philology to construct language theories and then to reconstruct lost history. (For example, the Aryan Migration Theory).
CONCLUSION: Either Tamil is the mother of other languages or one of the earliest descendants of the Proto-World Language which is being presently constructed or reconstructed.
Is English derived from Tamil Aangilam?Quote:
Originally Posted by bis_mala
Do you want to claim that English is an indian language?Quote:
Originally Posted by indian224080
This question from an MS of CS is telling everything.
Quote:
Originally Posted by indian224080
To ascertain whether X came from Y language, linguists have their own means and methods, regardless of who X is and who Y is and where they live. Once those linguistic means and methods are satisfied, it is up to the people of other relevant disciplines to further handle the matter.
Just like if the radiologist finds and states in her report that you have cancer, it is then up to the physician to treat you, the surgeon to operate on you, the nurses to take care of you etc etc., If treatment etc., are not successful and you died, then the pathologist will do a post mortem and issue an autopsy report!!
If you are somebody, the newspapers will publish on you. Otherwise you will be just taken to the crematorium.
Of course, the common man in the street can express shock that you died. But for the rest of the others I named above, it is just another case.
Mr Indian -- "you" I do not mean you!. It's just a way of narrating.