K-G.. our society will be quick to heap scorn on the stars if they were to speak on these delikate matters..so kudos to Aamir for going against the grain..Barkha dutt pandrathum Aamir pandrthum onnaguma :huh:
K-G.. our society will be quick to heap scorn on the stars if they were to speak on these delikate matters..so kudos to Aamir for going against the grain..Barkha dutt pandrathum Aamir pandrthum onnaguma :huh:
Ohhh.. stars speaking on delicate matters will go against them?Quote:
Originally Posted by wizzy
But when stars do a manipulative azhugachi show, it'd not go for them too?
In fact, I find media sucking up badly to Aamir..
And let's face it, Aamir probably wanted to do reality show channelling his 'otherness'. I'm not saying there's genuineness in him to do this, but it doesn't mean what he did is something as 'delikate' as it's made out to be. In fact, Aamir is known to build persona and stature precisely for stuff like this. He takes up on some specific issues, even his films like TZP, RDB, 3I, etc.. and straddles a cliche ridden route. But for taking this issue, he takes credit for 'social awareness'..
I was watching Star world, Anupama Chopra show. I was shocked to see the guy taking credit for some random incident where an elderly women is asked to take back her aashirvad of 'be blessed with a son'.. re.Female infoeticide. He brackets that as a 'response' to his show. You have to question such intentions.
Meanwhile on stars and social awareness
Jackie :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3SEIRZBlcA
ask SRK..he was termed 'Paki' when he spoke about Pak players in IPL.Quote:
Ohhh.. stars speaking on delicate matters will go against them?
mileage is given..the end justifies the means..I don't see Surya/Vijay or any of our stars getting a lyricst to talk about Alcohol abuse..Quote:
But when stars do a manipulative azhugachi show, it'd not go for them too?
no star would want to get their hands dirty by speaking on 'uncool' issues.
taking up social issues before a movie release is been done by all and sundry..even a press/media shy Prakash Jha can be accused of doing it.Quote:
And let's face it, Aamir probably wanted to do reality show channelling his 'otherness'. I'm not saying there's genuineness in him to do this, but it doesn't mean what he did is something as 'delikate' as it's made out to be. In fact, Aamir is known to build persona and stature precisely for stuff like this. He takes up on some specific issues, even his films like TZP, RDB, 3I, etc.. and straddles a cliche ridden route. But for taking this issue, he takes credit for 'social awareness'..
But here's the narrative, it's 'uncool issues' that makes Brand AK 'cool'.
:rotfl3: @ saakkisraap
Maththapadi no comments. I find 'issues' based programs boring.
Yes, caste is in many ways the elephant in the room that nobody talks about. So talking about it is remarkable. What's odd about this logic?Quote:
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Given it's a show that's edited and assembled together, I'd think it is 'manipulative' by design i.e. in a definitional sense. I don't have an opinion either way on his crying, etc.Quote:
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Brand AK-vai vidunga, enakku adhaip paththi kavalaiyE illai. I'm just saying the issues he dealt with (haven't even watched some of the other the episodes fully) is a far cry from what Visu's show generally does (just the general impression I have, please point to specific instances if I'm wrong).Quote:
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Same here but this one I sometimes find interesting. (I catch it on YouTube.)Quote:
Originally Posted by P_R
In general, this show is discussed so much that I watch it (some of it) in any case. The same way I've watched Visu's show too in the past, but my reaction in the two cases have been very different. That was my only point.
Issues different, but design and all similarly manipulative and turn off for me. I've tried a lot, but I couldn't sit through it, like Visu's shows.Quote:
I'm just saying the issues he dealt with (haven't even watched some of the other the episodes fully) is a far cry from what Visu's show generally does
Just stumbled upon this btw: http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?281646 About what all gets censored in the show. I'm just beginning to read it, but I guess the gist of the issue S Anand points to is clear. idhu vERa panchayaththu, Aamir has to criticized for this.
Fair enough, k-g. Incidentally the Outlook piece discusses about how the show is manipulative to the point of showing something that didn't actually happen! I don't understand what compelled them to do all that. Anyway, I'll wait and watch.
Just read that. Not at all surprised.
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Ha ha not at all surprised, me too. My "bollywoodnAlE calculated self-promotion dhAnE" filter never goes wrong
But you know this is the same AmeerKhan who totally avoided the media in the 90s. Moral high ground based on the gossip based filmfare, stardust etc.
2001 lErndhu aNNan oru maadhiri darlingA form aayittAr.
Others use the media by sleeping with them. Aamer aNNan uses the media by kicking them around. You've to give it to him for his genius(marketing and self-promotion) in this regard
That's because he was an on-screen romantic sweetheart with inflated ego in 90's. SRK madhiri non-filmi background'la irundhu varala ithanikkum.
SRK came from a TV background and he's made no qualms of being a whore through all forms of media. I don't like him either, but you have to dig deep to see through AK's manufactured persona and image. His TV entry is a great success, so he has done well. But don't celebrate him like a Saint.
/dig - git Clove - idhu patthti sthyanjottu stance enna? Also, Golmaal Bachchan review there? Redefining humour in indhi cinema, ipdi EdhAvadhu? Apisek best comic actor evet mAdhiri Edhum sollalaiyA?
/dig I haven't been to Bachchan Porn site off-late, Flau. But knowing them, I'd believe they found many things to appreciate. Seeing how BPM chief in charge have elucidated his love for ApisEk's DNA in the past, wouldn't surprise me if they invoke Proust and 70's cinema in same breath.
//Chiyaan was once touted as the torch bearer of 70s cinema in the south by the chief still makes me :rotfl3: //Quote:
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wow..wonder why none of the news channels ran a story on this explosive material :neutral:Quote:
Just stumbled upon this btw: http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?281646 About what all gets censored in the show. I'm just beginning to read it, but I guess the gist of the issue S Anand points to is clear. idhu vERa panchayaththu, Aamir has to criticized for this.
Visu enna paNNAr. yEdhO Lakshmi paNNAngannu sonna paravAla.
WOW!
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/e...w/14891693.cms
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Kamal Haasan’s next co-star is a 7-year old girl
Subhash K Jha | Jul 14, 2012, 12.05PM IST
The indefatigable 57-year old Kamal Haasan's co-stars are getting younger by the week.
If his co-stars in his recent films have ranged within the age-group of 22-35, in his next project which would be his Hollywood debut in the English language produced by Barrie Osborne, Kamal Haasan's co-star is a 7-year old!
The hunt is on for a 7-year old American girl who will be cast opposite Kamal Haasan. But you can's apply for the job just because you're 7, female and Caucasian. The little girl would be in almost every frame with the actor. And she has to match his virtuosity.
Admits Kamalji, "It's not just about the girl looking cutely into the camera. She has to be able to act. That's the age at which I started acting, so I know exactly how it feels to be facing the camera when you're that age, so I'll be a very considerate co-star."
Kamal Haasan describes his Hollywood debut as a study of civilization masquerading as an adventure story. "There will be lots of activity on the surface and also below the line of visibility. It's actually an idea that I related to Barrie. He immediately liked it. I like the idea of working with a child."
Interestingly Kamal Haasan's heroine in his new film Vishwaroop is no spring chicken either. Pooja Kumar who plays the lead is 35.
Says Kamal Haasan, "It was meant to be a girl who looks mature and sensible, since she plays a nucleur scientist. Which is why I thought of casting Sonakshi Sinha and Chitrangada Singh. It isn't about age. It's about looking capable and in-charge."
makkaLE, I'm not surprised either. As I said, Aamir has to be criticized for this. But what I find wrong here is the reflexive logic of slotting together all azhugAchchi shows as one and the same. Isn't this exactly the logic often used (reflexively or consciously) to brush aside uncomfortable topics? That it's too sad (exaggeratedly sad!), serious and so on?
And in the same vein that logic that it's all fake because it involves a Bollywood star like Aamir Khan or something like that. Sure, Aamir's needs to be viewed critically (and the best comments I've read on the show are indeed critical of it on some grounds; as one piece on Kafila put it right after the first episode, "Dil Se Nahin Dimaag Se Dekho"), but that's not the same as being dismissive of it on flippant grounds.
Great point. This is exactly what I'm talking about. If k-g had mentioned Lakshmi's show or Rose's show, there is a point to it.Quote:
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Actually another point I wanted to make is how the same brigade who bash Lakshmi and even worse, uncomfortably snigger at Rose, seem to be taken into 'Aamir the Social changer'.
What's flippant here, seriously I find AK's shows being manipulative. His technique is quite visibly like Visu's than Lakshmi's. Of all, Rose hosts it best.
With a huge team of writers, both creative and research team, editors, and array of production staff, the issues are varied and makes it 'different'. I'll give him that.
adheppadi same brigade-nRa conclusion-ukku vandhInga? I haven't seen anyone who sniggered at Rose's show and praise Aamir's. yArai manasula vechchittup pEsuRInga? Aamir's show-ngradhunAla adhukku general-A automatic popularity irukku-nRIngaLA? Which I agree with. And in any case, we shoudn't be waking up to theses issue just when/because a superstar is talking about them. That is also a totally fair point. But unga dismissal flimsy grounds-la irukkumbOdhu, it's hard to take you seriously either. (A stance like "personally I can't watch such shows" is different. )Similarly, I understand this point. But to watch the show and engage with it is not to make him a saint. There are a lot of critical pieces which are more insightful than the show itself, but they engage with what the show sets out to achieve and point to its limitations.Quote:
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Because I've been to lunch with such people, at work, home, functions and elsewhere.Quote:
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I have.Quote:
I haven't seen anyone who sniggered at Rose's show and praise Aamir's.
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yArai manasula vechchittup pEsuRInga?
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Aamir's show-ngradhunAla adhukku general-A automatic popularity irukku-nRIngaLA? Which I agree with. And in any case, we shoudn't be waking up to theses issue just when/because a superstar is talking about them. That is also a totally fair point.
No one asked you to.Quote:
But unga dismissal flimsy grounds-la irukkumbOdhu, it's hard to take you seriously either.
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But to watch the show and engage with it is not to make him a saint.
I've read those pieces before. I didn't want to post it here, because I'm not taken in to the show as I haven't seen it fully (have said as much here)Quote:
There are a lot of critical pieces which are more insightful than the show itself, but they engage with what the show sets out to achieve and point to its limitations.
I'm referring to 'Aamir the star', because it's posted in 'Kamal the star's thread.
I had to post my issues with Aamir's mode, much like the way people are open to vent fury on Kamal here.
Doesn't seem problematic for me.
munnayE sonnA mAdhiri, that's fair enough, k-g. Even I've this uneasiness with TV shows dealing with issue for a set of reasons, one of which is how they manufacture reality (as oppose to a more modest way of just recalling it), e.g. veyilla vElai pAththAngannu solla, adhu mAdhiri summA shoot paNRadhu. You know, this whole idea of visually showing what had happened but there's invariably a whole sense of fakeness to it. And I just don't like it. And I mean to include all shows, informative or otherwise, even from the likes of Discovery channel and so on. indha amsam enakku indha show-layum pidikkala.Quote:
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I'm not sure about this. Visu's shows are not about systemic issues, its victims and so on. Individual poverty paththi pEsaRadhOda sari. minjippOnA current cut paththi EdhAvadhu solvAru.Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-glove
Again, you're referring to the issues, but I'm referring to the way one hosts. Aamir's is none so sophisticated or visibly 'intelligent' as it's made out to be. To host a show, is not to have tissues by your side.
And honestly I'm okay with Aamir's hypocrisy. He's after all a star. I know how some people who would bash that mode in Tamil, but like Plum said, English/Indhi BR-titis helps too.
As for discussing on the show, you have to take it up with regular watchers.
Flippant or not- manipulative, self-promoting and probably financiall beneficial to Khan, too,. I can applaud his marketing genius but git is essentially pre-empting hagiography - which is still going to come to this very thread soon inspite of pointed criticism pretty much exposing the intentions. IdhE threadla Kamal's unobtrusive karutthu solling integrated into screenplay has been questioned - afterall marketing effort-ai flippantA dismiss paNNA dhAn enna?
There's a much more sophisticated mind there, which I fail to sense in Aamir's mechanical choices, who hasn't solely written any of his films or shows (but hires people to do it). Eclectic selection and careful marketing should not be confused with creativity and intellect.Quote:
IdhE threadla Kamal's unobtrusive karutthu solling integrated into screenplay has been questioned
Oh ippOthaan FB'la kumurittu varraen. I watched Aamir Khan's SJ for the first time with the episode that dealt 'Untouchability'. It was a COMPLETE let down. Idhavida kaevalamaa intha subject'a yaarum deal paNNathilla. And one guy says this is the first time since independence someone had come forward to discuss the issue to this extent. That was the final nail and I stopped watching at that point. The people who related their 'real life' stories did not help either. It looked doctored (I watched the dubbed Tamil version and the dubbing was just too horrible, so that could also be the reason). And thanks k_g for the outlook link. The article speaks my find. I felt exactly the same when watching it.
That was Equa who posted Outlook article, Roshan..
From the outlook article : Gandhi wrote in Harijan in 1934: “I call scavenging as one of the most honourable occupations to which mankind is called. I don’t consider it an unclean occupation by any means. That you have to handle dirt is true. But that every mother is doing and has to do. But nobody says a mother’s occupation is unclean.” In another essay entitled ‘The Ideal Bhangi’ in 1936 he wrote, “My ideal Bhangi would know the quality of night-soil and urine. He would keep a close watch on these and give a timely warning to the individual concerned. Thus he will give a timely notice of the results of his examination of the excreta. That presupposes a scientific knowledge of the requirements of his profession.” It is this stranglehold of Gandhism that has kept manual scavenging alive
I have heard the same from a Dalit empowerment activist group in Andra Pradesh, about Gandhi's stand on Dalits. They were completely critical of Gandhi and said he made things worse for them.
Oh sorry, Thanks Equa :)Quote:
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erunthutu pogatumae.. AK's lack of intellect/creativity shouldn't be held against the show..some 10+ NGOs do get monetary benefit so the show isn't only about azhukaachi/self-promotion.Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-glove
on financial benefits.. AK surely would have raked in more moolah if he had starred in a Hirani movie instead of biding his time on a TV show.
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Oh sure, but hey I'm just explaining why/what I found nonsensical in that specific comparison you made. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-glove
I pointed to/made specific criticisms on the show (or such TV shows in general) for discussion's sake. All you're saying in response is it's manipulative and/or a cry-out show. Of course I understand you've not seen the various episodes fully (nor have I for that matter). But surely you're aware that (and in fact, going by your latest post, this is precisely a problem you have with 'cool' folks who would bash/dismiss a similar show in Tamil!) this is exactly the logic used to simply brush aside shows discussing serious issues that makes the cozy family audience uneasy and so on? This is why I got worked up. What's so wrong with his crying that you keep pointing to that and just that? I happened to see that last show on untouchability and my feeling is it did discuss worthwhile things. You didn't have anything to say about the serious things it discussed but yet felt strongly enough to post a comment dismissing it. avvaLO dhAn matter. :)
This is fair enough. Yes, in this case, I'm interested in the issue discussed as caste is the elephant in the room. (Incidentally, Aamir claims some of these 'populist' turns are intentional. And I also doubt the fawning fanboys are singing hosannas for his intelligence/sophistication here, I think the praises heaped on him are more for the courage, heart to come forward to do this show and so on. I'm not one of them, but I'm just pointing that probably not many would argue with you on the 'sophistication' point!)Quote:
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Point taken.Quote:
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As I said, don't feel obliged to comment on the content(which btw I feel should be manipulated with such a massive crew..) as I haven't been compelled to watch it. My comments were more in tune about AK's MO in the show (that I have seen).. I seriously doubt Mr.AK has made any imaginative contributions or intellectual observations. I doubt his credentials. I find him a boring individual, personally. It was brought out of turn to the point that KH manufactures a 'false image', or his world view, or what. How ironic!
I didn't dismiss about serious things it discussed, but I dismiss AK fawnage or his involvement in the show w.r.t KH, the whole intention of that being brought out of turn here. Flau put it succinctly in his post. I snarled back at that.Quote:
You didn't have anything to say about the serious things it discussed but yet felt strongly enough to post a comment dismissing it.
Actually, how did we end up talking about Aamir Khan and his sosial consious?