Khan Saheb Kamal Haasan's Jamaat/Jeba Koottam/Devasthaanam - Part 8

[kid-glove]

IdhE threadla Kamal's unobtrusive karutthu solling integrated into screenplay has been questioned

There's a much more sophisticated mind there, which I fail to sense in Aamir's mechanical choices, who hasn't solely written any of his films or shows (but hires people to do it). Eclectic selection and careful marketing should not be confused with creativity and intellect.

[Roshan]

Oh ippOthaan FB'la kumurittu varraen. I watched Aamir Khan's SJ for the first time with the episode that dealt 'Untouchability'. It was a COMPLETE let down. Idhavida kaevalamaa intha subject'a yaarum deal paNNathilla. And one guy says this is the first time since independence someone had come forward to discuss the issue to this extent. That was the final nail and I stopped watching at that point. The people who related their 'real life' stories did not help either. It looked doctored (I watched the dubbed Tamil version and the dubbing was just too horrible, so that could also be the reason). And thanks k_g for the outlook link. The article speaks my find. I felt exactly the same when watching it.

[kid-glove]

That was Equa who posted Outlook article, Roshan..

[Roshan]

From the outlook article : Gandhi wrote in Harijan in 1934: “I call scavenging as one of the most honourable occupations to which mankind is called. I don’t consider it an unclean occupation by any means. That you have to handle dirt is true. But that every mother is doing and has to do. But nobody says a mother’s occupation is unclean.” In another essay entitled ‘The Ideal Bhangi’ in 1936 he wrote, “My ideal Bhangi would know the quality of night-soil and urine. He would keep a close watch on these and give a timely warning to the individual concerned. Thus he will give a timely notice of the results of his examination of the excreta. That presupposes a scientific knowledge of the requirements of his profession.” It is this stranglehold of Gandhism that has kept manual scavenging alive

I have heard the same from a Dalit empowerment activist group in Andra Pradesh, about Gandhi's stand on Dalits. They were completely critical of Gandhi and said he made things worse for them.

[Roshan]

That was Equa who posted Outlook article, Roshan..

Oh sorry, Thanks Equa

[wizzy]

There's a much more sophisticated mind there, which I fail to sense in Aamir's mechanical choices, who hasn't solely written any of his films or shows (but hires people to do it). Eclectic selection and careful marketing should not be confused with creativity and intellect.

erunthutu pogatumae.. AK's lack of intellect/creativity shouldn't be held against the show..some 10+ NGOs do get monetary benefit so the show isn't only about azhukaachi/self-promotion.

on financial benefits.. AK surely would have raked in more moolah if he had starred in a Hirani movie instead of biding his time on a TV show.

[equanimus]

No one asked you to.

Doesn't seem problematic for me.

Oh sure, but hey I'm just explaining why/what I found nonsensical in that specific comparison you made.

I pointed to/made specific criticisms on the show (or such TV shows in general) for discussion's sake. All you're saying in response is it's manipulative and/or a cry-out show. Of course I understand you've not seen the various episodes fully (nor have I for that matter). But surely you're aware that (and in fact, going by your latest post, this is precisely a problem you have with 'cool' folks who would bash/dismiss a similar show in Tamil!) this is exactly the logic used to simply brush aside shows discussing serious issues that makes the cozy family audience uneasy and so on? This is why I got worked up. What's so wrong with his crying that you keep pointing to that and just that? I happened to see that last show on untouchability and my feeling is it did discuss worthwhile things. You didn't have anything to say about the serious things it discussed but yet felt strongly enough to post a comment dismissing it. avvaLO dhAn matter.

Again, you're referring to the issues, but I'm referring to the way one hosts. Aamir's is none so sophisticated or visibly 'intelligent' as it's made out to be.

This is fair enough. Yes, in this case, I'm interested in the issue discussed as caste is the elephant in the room. (Incidentally, Aamir claims some of these 'populist' turns are intentional. And I also doubt the fawning fanboys are singing hosannas for his intelligence/sophistication here, I think the praises heaped on him are more for the courage, heart to come forward to do this show and so on. I'm not one of them, but I'm just pointing that probably not many would argue with you on the 'sophistication' point!)

As for discussing on the show, you have to take it up with regular watchers.

Point taken.

[kid-glove]

As I said, don't feel obliged to comment on the content(which btw I feel should be manipulated with such a massive crew..) as I haven't been compelled to watch it. My comments were more in tune about AK's MO in the show (that I have seen).. I seriously doubt Mr.AK has made any imaginative contributions or intellectual observations. I doubt his credentials. I find him a boring individual, personally. It was brought out of turn to the point that KH manufactures a 'false image', or his world view, or what. How ironic!

[kid-glove]

You didn't have anything to say about the serious things it discussed but yet felt strongly enough to post a comment dismissing it.

I didn't dismiss about serious things it discussed, but I dismiss AK fawnage or his involvement in the show w.r.t KH, the whole intention of that being brought out of turn here. Flau put it succinctly in his post. I snarled back at that.

[Plum]

Actually, how did we end up talking about Aamir Khan and his sosial consious?