VEERAM : Ajith + "Siruthai" Shiva + DSP + Vijaya Productions

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Originally Posted by Movie Buff

Thanks for your kind words......and if you have enough time you can go and check my posts in Arrambam thread ...... Looks like trying to have a civilized discussion is futile with certain people..... Enjoy your time ... I will try to refrain myself from posting anything that may offend anyone

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Thanks.

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Originally Posted by selvakumar

EkSi. Cow-u Cow-u holy cow-u. Appo Appo ippadi vanthu erhavathu solli reply vantha holy cow karuthu sollurathu. Where were you during aarambam release? In holy heaven :lol:

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Haha. Even that white-flag waver indulged in a bit of banter earlier and now giving lessons.

pOttiku vaaranu sollittu mohan lal'iyum kuutitu vaarathu ithu thaan avanga veeram. Aana onnum book aavuthille

Another example for Ajith's Hardwork

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/t...le/101994.html

Looks like we are the under dogs... on Pongal race. I am not sure how promotion are going with Veeram. On the other camp definitely will have huge promo's. Ayngaran is only promoting Jilla not Veeram in here. I expected that They always make Vijay's movies bigger even when superstar movie release along with his movies( exmple Chadramuki and Sachin). But If the movie clicks well then we have Veeram pongal.

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Originally Posted by cujoo

Looks like we are the under dogs... on Pongal race. I am not sure how promotion are going with Veeram. On the other camp definitely will have huge promo's. Ayngaran is only promoting Jilla not Veeram in here. I expected that They always make Vijay's movies bigger even when superstar movie release along with his movies( exmple Chadramuki and Sachin). But If the movie clicks well then we have Veeram pongal.

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Yeah. It obvious Vijay holds a strong market in overseas. That does not means only his movies have run. If movies are good, everyone will like it. :-)

Lets hope the both movies to be success..!!

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Originally Posted by Muthalvan

Yeah. It obvious Vijay holds a strong market in overseas. That does not means only his movies have run. If movies are good, everyone will like it. :-)

Lets hope the both movies to be success..!!

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It's all depends on the distributor, even though Vijay having good market than Thala in Europe what Ayngaran doing is not acceptable.. promoting one movie and nothing for the other. at least they should have sell it to Raj cinemas or somebody else. . if u see other overseas centres other than UK more or less both the movies got equal screens.. in additional Vijay's next with AR murugadas to be produced by Ayngaran. :-)

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Originally Posted by Siv.S

It's all depends on the distributor, even though Vijay having good market than Thala in Europe what Ayngaran doing is not acceptable.. promoting one movie and nothing for the other. at least they should have sell it to Raj cinemas or somebody else. . if u see other overseas centres other than UK more or less both the movies got equal screens.. in additional Vijay's next with AR murugadas to be produced by Ayngaran. :-)

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Agreed. Thats what we call business.

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Originally Posted by Muthalvan

Agreed. Thats what we call business.

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You mean unfair business ?

In Uk, there is no correlation that only good films run. It all depends on release date (festival vs off season), promotion in tv channels, screening in several theaters, competition from Hindi movies. The only Thala movie that met all these points was Mankatha which was promoted by Sun tv. No star has any ground there IMHO. Simple aadhavan collected than any movies once

Thala Veeram @ Jan 10th release

Thala Veeram @ May 1st - Thala-yin pirantha naal 112th day :)

Never worry friends...Thala will defy all the logic :)

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Originally Posted by Dinesh84

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Is this true? Guess it will never be less than 65 Crores.

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Originally Posted by Siv.S

It's all depends on the distributor, even though Vijay having good market than Thala in Europe what Ayngaran doing is not acceptable.. promoting one movie and nothing for the other. at least they should have sell it to Raj cinemas or somebody else. . if u see other overseas centres other than UK more or less both the movies got equal screens.. in additional Vijay's next with AR murugadas to be produced by Ayngaran. :-)

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UK, USA, Canada ellam conquered with Aarambam no? But in the bigger scheme of things, they are just 1 or 2 percent of all collections..

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Originally Posted by selvakumar

You mean unfair business ?

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Not sure about it.

But If they have bought Jilla for higher price with a good demand in the market. Its natural to promote the particular movie.
Just movie illai.. even the day to day business is so...

But padam nalla iruntha sure hit akum...

I am a Vijay fan. But I wish both the movies to do well. coz this is a rare kind of clash in Kollywood and it should happen once in a while.

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Originally Posted by paranitharan

UK, USA, Canada ellam conquered with Aarambam no? But in the bigger scheme of things, they are just 1 or 2 percent of all collections..

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Yes I think USA, Canada Billa,Mankatha,Aarambam had massive run undoubtedly in Canada . But when it comes to promotion Ayngaran always on the other side.
I remember Varallaru ran around 3 months(10 weeks or so) except superstar movies. Ajith has a good market here but they don't promote his movies.

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Originally Posted by cujoo

Yes I think USA, Canada Billa,Mankatha,Aarambam had massive run undoubtedly in Canada . But when it comes to promotion Ayngaran always on the other side.
I remember Varallaru ran around 3 months(10 weeks or so) except superstar movies. Ajith has a good market here but they don't promote his movies.

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I think both you and shiva just want to highlight aymgharans unfair trade practice. Got you. We never worry about it anyway as Thala came up all himself without any unfair backup be it sun tv, any of his relative or any external help. It is our Usp.

[QUOTE=Muthalvan;1101421]Not sure about it.

But If they have bought Jilla for higher price with a good demand in the market. Its natural to promote the particular movie.
Just movie illai.. even the day to day business is so...QUOTE]
Ithu enna business :lol; what if they end up losing heavily on any of the movies. Are they ready to face up tat then? Enna loosu business strategy. No wonder arun pandiyan became MLA

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Originally Posted by Muthalvan

Not sure about it.

But If they have bought Jilla for higher price with a good demand in the market. Its natural to promote the particular movie.
Just movie illai.. even the day to day business is so...QUOTE]
Ithu enna business :lol; what if they end up losing heavily on any of the movies. Are they ready to face up tat then? Enna loosu business strategy. No wonder arun pandiyan became MLA

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:) they are not ignoring Veeram.. Jilla gets more promotions.. ihope u get it.

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Originally Posted by selvakumar

:) they are not ignoring Veeram.. Jilla gets more promotions.. ihope u get it.

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I am saying the same thing :) but in the business logic. If you have two films both getting equal screens in all other places but they choose to promote only one more than the other , what if they lose heavily on anyone. Irrespective of this, this is a mad strategy :) and anyway the difference in Uk BO is thin between films. Some mad unqualified MBA guy in the marketing team may be

I will put it as a "bottle neck" strategy and I don't find anything wrong in it. Its a open table, and its up to the production house to play its cards. The one who is ready to invest money and confident in juggling with profit and loss - ie., take a percentage from the profit zone, to stabalize the non profit zone - has a bigger leverage. It can lock down the options of screening for the opponent even if their product is a dud.

For the opening on the home ground (TN), take this as an exemple :

Imagine the release ratio is 1:3 (Veeram:Jilla)

Veeram @ Avm with a capacity of 500 => Houseful

Jilla @
Udhayam capacity 250 => 50 places rest
Kamala capacity 250 => 50 places rest
SSR Pankagam capacity 100 => 20 places rest

So on a festive time, when a crowd comes to watch a movie, the probability of them returning back is 50-50. Say 750 came to see Veeram, 250 have to return. Now 125 want to watch a movie anyway. Those are the ones that fill 120 remaining place of Jilla running is cinema halls few meters away, making Jilla head count 600 but Veeram head count 500. Now the remaining 5 have to settle down with a set-dosa at a restaurant (LoL)

Thats what I meant when I did not want to include the 1st week. It will be like 'soora-thenga-shatering' case. But the second week is the one that will count. Use the physics terms : Weight Vs Mass. That's the screen count vs show count. Limited theaters is like the mass, if there is matter (content in the film) then it will not vary. But that's not the case with weight, it varies with gravity. If Veeram is slightly better than Jilla, Jilla screens will be a PacMan for Veeram. But if Jilla is better than Veeram, nothing to worry about, they already have the maximum gravity pull - the screens - sure shot Block Buster.

Overseas is completely a different league. The first criteria are the TFI movie goers which is much less but quite concentrated. The difference between Ajith and Vijay films are that Ajith fans are desperate to watch his films where as Vijay has a wide spread and scattered fans following him. Also, the overseas market is not a guaranteed run, its like a hour glass. Limited time - pay - take profit. So fetching Overseas market for comparisons is like 2 skeletons wrestling on a tin roof. For me, overseas market are the last batsman. On the home ground if the results are a tie, the overseas and other money fetching sectors come into play. I am skipping all these comparisons for the moments.

I cannot be diplomatic in this case by saying both films should win. Profit wise yes, but only 1 will emerge winner - that's why these competitions are there for.

That said, both movies do have their weakness which has not been thrown at their fans yet. It would be interesting to see how each uses them to its fullest :

Jilla - First thing first - there is someone learning "photo-shop" with RB Chowdry's money. Leave alone whether the poster speak out or not, they fail to create any interest. Secondly - the Lal factor. You see its a kind of gambling going on from the promotional front. They want to keep Lal on top at the same time show that its Vijay who is holding him there. But the truth is Lal does not have any memorable hit record in a direct TFI film (critically acclaimed, yes). But its the Kerela audience that they are quite well guarding, but this can back fire massively at any point of time.

Veeram - Siva and his track record, I mean his filming style comes as a 50-50 situation for the fans. Over build-ups or a flavor not suiting the TFI audience is on cards, even though the promotions looks solid. Secondly is the casting - TFI movie fans are still a bit shrink with the age and its cruelness. And Ajith pairing with Tamana will become the talk of the season or the cruel criticism of the era.

And for the positive side :

Jilla purely is depending on a hype factor stating the nature of dominance with counts & casting which indeed covers 2 money spining southern regions mainly because from the promotional front they have decided not to come out, reasons known only to them. Will this still work when there is a clash going on, is to be seen.

Veeram's approach is professional by going by the plan and releasing timely posters & trailes, not to mention some clear cut interview shows that talks about the movie and the technicians with a right dose of "idol-worship". But their vigorousity is absent - will it favor them is to be seen..

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Originally Posted by Muthalvan

Some mad unqualified MBA guy in the marketing team may be

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I doubted it when they brought in 80000 pounds week. Ayngaran's motive to choose one of its own movie over the other is a mystery - its like calling out their own bluff.

mappi completely agreed with your weakness, positive analysis :thumbsup:

Mappiji nice posts :thumbsup:

http://i44.tinypic.com/2my7uy8.jpg

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Originally Posted by Siv.S

It's all depends on the distributor, even though Vijay having good market than Thala in Europe what Ayngaran doing is not acceptable.. promoting one movie and nothing for the other. at least they should have sell it to Raj cinemas or somebody else. . if u see other overseas centres other than UK more or less both the movies got equal screens.. in additional Vijay's next with AR murugadas to be produced by Ayngaran. :-)

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Yes you are 100% correct bro ..that also exactly happen in malaysia too.Ayngaran n lotus five star have collabration too.watever movie takes by ayngaran including audio cd rights will release by lfs in malaysia .but they never interest to release veeram audio here n taken by suara networks n original audio cd release after 4 days of official release. I witness by my own eye seeing pirate cd of veeram selling like hot cakes on the day release. Come to movie ,ajith will never came for malaysia or anywhere for promotion n that also a reason for them.but that idiots gain money if the movie is too good n get good wom like mankatha n arrambam without any promotion that is ajith power.

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Originally Posted by ALWAR_AJITH

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Thanks Alwar Ajith ..Veeram maniya all over tamil nadu ..Full white dhoti & shirt...

Veeram

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Originally Posted by leosimha

Is this true? Guess it will never be less than 65 Crores.

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Dupakoor website ..:rotfl3: this website (Andhra box office .com) is ajith hater :banghead:

Mayajaal show count :smokesmirk:

Mappi Agreed on Your positive and negative points. Quite nicely analysed one.

And I still think its up to Ayngaran to promote Jilla or Veeram. They are risking their money and we do not know their strategy.
I do not think they deliberately want Veeram to be out of cinemas, but trying to add a premium to the profit through Jilla.

And more than that, how we going to choose the winner.. each star fans gonna claim they are the winner, so purely based on collections. But we all know we could not able to get the real actual figures at all.

Watch both movies.. enjoy both.. praise your star.. And celebrate the Pongal..!! :yes:

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Originally Posted by BM

Mappiji nice posts :thumbsup:

http://i44.tinypic.com/2my7uy8.jpg

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:lol:

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Originally Posted by Muthalvan

Mappi Agreed on Your positive and negative points. Quite nicely analysed one.

And I still think its up to Ayngaran to promote Jilla or Veeram. They are risking their money and we do not know their strategy.
I do not think they deliberately want Veeram to be out of cinemas, but trying to add a premium to the profit through Jilla.

And more than that, how we going to choose the winner.. each star fans gonna claim they are the winner, so purely based on collections. But we all know we could not able to get the real actual figures at all.

Watch both movies.. enjoy both.. praise your star.. And celebrate the Pongal..!! :yes:

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Agreed :smokesmirk: Watch both movies.. enjoy both.. praise your star.. And celebrate the Pongal :)

higuys..


i read that ajith and vj's films clashed 4 times in the past.

villain vs bagavathy - i think villain won

anjaneya vs thirumalai- thirumalai won

paramasivan vs aadhi -- paramasivan won

aazhwar vs pokiri -pokiri won

so it's 50-50 . am i right??????

No doubt Villain won but can't accept paramu won ; both are average....:idontgetit:

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Originally Posted by rachel

higuys..


i read that ajith and vj's films clashed 4 times in the past.

villain vs bagavathy - i think villain won

anjaneya vs thirumalai- thirumalai won

paramasivan vs aadhi -- paramasivan won

aazhwar vs pokiri -pokiri won

so it's 50-50 . am i right??????

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paramasivan won aaaaaaaaaaaaaa? sema comedy boss

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Originally Posted by rachel

higuys..


i read that ajith and vj's films clashed 4 times in the past.

villain vs bagavathy - i think villain won

anjaneya vs thirumalai- thirumalai won

paramasivan vs aadhi -- paramasivan won

aazhwar vs pokiri -pokiri won

so it's 50-50 . am i right??????

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Yea right

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Originally Posted by mappi

I will put it as a "bottle neck" strategy and I don't find anything wrong in it. Its a open table, and its up to the production house to play its cards. The one who is ready to invest money and confident in juggling with profit and loss - ie., take a percentage from the profit zone, to stabalize the non profit zone - has a bigger leverage. It can lock down the options of screening for the opponent even if their product is a dud.

For the opening on the home ground (TN), take this as an exemple :

Imagine the release ratio is 1:3 (Veeram:Jilla)

Veeram @ Avm with a capacity of 500 => Houseful

Jilla @
Udhayam capacity 250 => 50 places rest
Kamala capacity 250 => 50 places rest
SSR Pankagam capacity 100 => 20 places rest

So on a festive time, when a crowd comes to watch a movie, the probability of them returning back is 50-50. Say 750 came to see Veeram, 250 have to return. Now 125 want to watch a movie anyway. Those are the ones that fill 120 remaining place of Jilla running is cinema halls few meters away, making Jilla head count 600 but Veeram head count 500. Now the remaining 5 have to settle down with a set-dosa at a restaurant (LoL)

Thats what I meant when I did not want to include the 1st week. It will be like 'soora-thenga-shatering' case. But the second week is the one that will count. Use the physics terms : Weight Vs Mass. That's the screen count vs show count. Limited theaters is like the mass, if there is matter (content in the film) then it will not vary. But that's not the case with weight, it varies with gravity. If Veeram is slightly better than Jilla, Jilla screens will be a PacMan for Veeram. But if Jilla is better than Veeram, nothing to worry about, they already have the maximum gravity pull - the screens - sure shot Block Buster.

Overseas is completely a different league. The first criteria are the TFI movie goers which is much less but quite concentrated. The difference between Ajith and Vijay films are that Ajith fans are desperate to watch his films where as Vijay has a wide spread and scattered fans following him. Also, the overseas market is not a guaranteed run, its like a hour glass. Limited time - pay - take profit. So fetching Overseas market for comparisons is like 2 skeletons wrestling on a tin roof. For me, overseas market are the last batsman. On the home ground if the results are a tie, the overseas and other money fetching sectors come into play. I am skipping all these comparisons for the moments.

I cannot be diplomatic in this case by saying both films should win. Profit wise yes, but only 1 will emerge winner - that's why these competitions are there for.

That said, both movies do have their weakness which has not been thrown at their fans yet. It would be interesting to see how each uses them to its fullest :

Jilla - First thing first - there is someone learning "photo-shop" with RB Chowdry's money. Leave alone whether the poster speak out or not, they fail to create any interest. Secondly - the Lal factor. You see its a kind of gambling going on from the promotional front. They want to keep Lal on top at the same time show that its Vijay who is holding him there. But the truth is Lal does not have any memorable hit record in a direct TFI film (critically acclaimed, yes). But its the Kerela audience that they are quite well guarding, but this can back fire massively at any point of time.

Veeram - Siva and his track record, I mean his filming style comes as a 50-50 situation for the fans. Over build-ups or a flavor not suiting the TFI audience is on cards, even though the promotions looks solid. Secondly is the casting - TFI movie fans are still a bit shrink with the age and its cruelness. And Ajith pairing with Tamana will become the talk of the season or the cruel criticism of the era.

And for the positive side :

Jilla purely is depending on a hype factor stating the nature of dominance with counts & casting which indeed covers 2 money spining southern regions mainly because from the promotional front they have decided not to come out, reasons known only to them. Will this still work when there is a clash going on, is to be seen.

Veeram's approach is professional by going by the plan and releasing timely posters & trailes, not to mention some clear cut interview shows that talks about the movie and the technicians with a right dose of "idol-worship". But their vigorousity is absent - will it favor them is to be seen..

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pesanumnu pesa kudathu kamala theater bookinga open pani parunga apuram pesunga kupra vilanthalum meesaila manu otla ungaluku

Thirumal and Pokiri wins are by huge margin compared to villain's win .....:smokesmirk:

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Originally Posted by maniram_1234

pesanumnu pesa kudathu kamalava open pani parunga apuram pesunga kupra vilanthalum meesaila manu otla ungaluku

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:rotfl:

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Originally Posted by arulraj

Thirumal and Pokiri wins are by huge margin compared to villain's win .....:smokesmirk:

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Haha sema comedy boss