Kalagane Kanulalo (Gaayam-2)
The beauty of this composition lies in its simple tune. And that pause, after which the lines go "naatho saage". Thats unexpected there! and thats where he scores (atleast for me).
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Kalagane Kanulalo (Gaayam-2)
The beauty of this composition lies in its simple tune. And that pause, after which the lines go "naatho saage". Thats unexpected there! and thats where he scores (atleast for me).
Plum, raagas and KV, you guys are amazing! Very interesting view points! Plum and KV sort of summed it up aptly that's its our way of brought up and how deeply we associate a song with the movie and it's setting even when we are just listening most of the time (as raagas observed). So basically and automatically we dissolve and immerse ourselves in that setting rather than just concentrate on his singing. I would say that's the composers magic. I too could not imagine that soundtrack without Kamal.
Plum is always Plum!Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
raagas, bang on 'kalagane' song, thats the highlight of the song stealing that 'natho saage' line from nowhere. Again one of the best black song of IR and no one other than IR would have brought that rawness in the song!
Naan vaakkapattu - Dhesiya Geetham :musicsmile:
pAdum vAnambAdeee hA & seer koNdu vA veN mEghamE
SPB gems from nAn pAdum pAdal...
aagAya veNNilAvE tharai meedhu vandhadhEnO - arangEtRa vELai.
Everyone involved in this masterpiece, from the singers to the last guy who played the violins, would have had a whale of time. This is one of those songs that is too perfect to believe it's conjured up by human effort. Or that it was imagined piece by piece and assembled later. rAtchasar, as SPB says.
Oh Nenjame Ithu Un Raagame - Enakkaaga Kaathiru (Deepan chakravarthi, S Janaki)
Listening after years. Aha! enna oru inimayana paadal. Blown away completely! Soft and silky voice of Deepan and gliding SJ's singing. Prelude and Interludes will steal our heart, especially the second one. Charanam innum arumai. Very neatly picturized on some breath-taking locations, with no unnecessary dance steps (except for few seconds, forgivable). Young, tall and handsome Suman (except his hair could have been trimmed) and pretty Sumalatha doing good job there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwgHHNFetsA
All the songs in this movie are soft and soulful melodies and decently picturized.
Pani Mazhai Vizhum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlSQ0...eature=related
Oh Maaya, Ooty Malai Kaattilae, Our Raja! Beautiful song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Nv93...eature=related
Dhaagam Edukkira
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWM8k...eature=related
All songs here:
http://thiraipaadal.com/album.php?AL...R00143&lang=en
Thanks to the uploaders!
I know the discussion is sort of close but since it started with my post, I will anyway add a couple of words :D
raagas: I am with Plum and KV on this. I personally feel that for this movie, Kamal was the very apt choice. As said by Plum and people like Rajasaranam earlier, Raja's fidelity is to the movie. He may miss out on the 'listening experience' aspect by choosing people like Kamal but from the movie's standpoint, it is a perfect choice. I know many people who don't like 'maada vilakke' mainly for Kamal's voice and the sadness of the tune but then, it is 'perfect' for me. It is exactly like how the character would sing. Credit to Kamal for getting the required emotion in that song. It slowly risen in my liking and nowadays I keep singing it often. As Plum mentioned, the other unpolished voices in 'karumaathur kaatukkule' add to the authenticity as well as to my enjoyment.
I feel that you can use less the perfect voices when they are needed and they do tend to add a bit of charm to the song. Let me take this opportunity to replug my blog post about Malaysia Vasudevan about the same aspect, the voice not being perfect but yet conveying a lot: http://sureshs65music.blogspot.com/2...-malaysia.html
V_S - Enakkaaga Kaathiru is one heck of an album. Each song is a stunner to me. Thanks for the youtube links.
Listening to a couple of songs in the spooky/supernatural genre.
--Devathai Ilam Devi from Aayiram Nilave Vaa. The orchestration is beyond words and this one song is enough to showcase IR's innovation in this particular genre. SPB's rendition is so soulful and always pulls the heart strings.
--Enakkul Oruvan Yaar from Enakkul Oruvan. The beats in the prelude set the tone and MV's rendition is awesome bringing in the emotions of the possessed soul.
I am longing for fine quality IR songs like Enakkaga Kaathiru. Atleast can we legally purchase these rare IR songs anywhere?
Great Album...
Fave pick is "Oh Nenjamae"
The repetitive use of the staccato violins from 1:48 to 1:32 is so reminiscent of another song....anyone? :huh:
http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer...796%27&lang=en
"Pani Vizhum" bgm sounds very oriental fitting with the video that uses burmese? nepalese? fashion
"Ohh Maaya" is quite different...quite right about the tribal feel...never heard this song before...beautiful interludes...
Deepan Chakravarthy is on Jaya TV every night this week doing the 'thirumbi paarkiran' program (10 to 10:30pm). Yesterday they should a clip of a song from 'Nizhal Thedum Nenjangal', which he has sung with Janaki. Lovely number.
A heartfelt thanks to Usha for introducing me to "Muthu Kaalai" songs
each one is very soothing to hear esp. Punnai Vanathu and Antha Kanji...both are vying for a spot but both equally are special.
http://www.thiraipaadal.com/album.ph...R00385&lang=en
Antha Kanji - starts with a sweet humming, SJ has such a cute teasing quality in her singing, the first interlude is so buoyant and playful then becomes a little melancholic like and then highlighted by a shrilling bell sound and the rest is then punctuated by a single bell sound....an indication of a shared harmony between lovers? Second humming with ohhohoho is also nicely highlighted by the shrilling bell sound again.
Punnai Vanathu - starts out heart wrenching almost as if for a pathos song...(one of the things I regret is my lack of knowledge of what instruments IR uses...it makes it difficult to describe the music at times...just today finally put a name to a musical instrument that I have heard often in songs of yesteryear - the vibraphone)
when SPB sings "maar meedhum thOL meedhum saaindhirukka.."
and then SJ replies much more quietly: "oh paalaarum thEnaarum paaindhirukkae..."
too sweet!!!
Nalla Kaalam and Vaazhai Illai are also uplifting solo pieces of SPB's with Manorama in the latter song.
nalla ALu pArthu kEttInga? enakkum link findingkum romba dhooram.Quote:
Originally Posted by tvsankar
Suresh/raagas - pls do the needful :-)
:-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
http://www.raaga.com/channels/telugu...p?mid=A0000843
Shiva 2006 in Telugu. The song plum was talking about is Manasa adagava
Thanks Querida and Ushaji for highlighting one of Raja's best tracks. With SPB and SJ in it, we can't get better. Very valuable mention about vibrophone. Coincidently, yesterday I witnessed to some superb vibrophone performance in Vijay TV Super Singer 3 for 'Deiveega Paadalgal' round. Please don't miss this round if you get a chance, all are gifted melodies and singers are doing amazing job with T L Maharajan as one of the chief guest, it great to hear him sing and speak.
Magic journey and Salsalakum kaatre - twinkle twinkle little star (2005) :musicsmile:
Que,
thanks for the mentioning.. s. am great mad to these songs......
raagas,
thanks for the link.. paatai kaekaren......................
This wonderful melody from a the flop Malayalam film 'Pachakuthira'. What a power packed song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kWI8Onrf0Y Revisiting it after a discussion with skr in another forum.
Which brings me to the question, where is raj_musings nowadays?
For long time I have missed this thread by looking the top threads. today only realized that those threads are sticky threads. :)
Singara mane poondhene - Thaimozhi
Unknown gem from Raja !
'Oh pApA lAlee' on loop in the car for the last two days (idhaiyaththai thirudAthE)!
What a sweet orchestration and fantastic melody, the first interlude just pizhinjifies the heart / nAdi narambellAm suNdi izhukkum strings!
Possibly the best song for Mano but he does dhrishtippottu on a number of spots :-( Also, makes one feel why can't he sing with the intended feel for any song.
Possibly IR/MR decided that for that actor - with a single emotion of 'being in pain even when laughing' - this voice is good enough :roll: I've seen only one movie of Amala's hubby - this one - and IMO he is the Telugu equivalent of oru thalai rAgam Shankar. Always sad, troubled, in-pain kind of face. Like Mano, always flat feeling - let it be love, thAlAttu, sogam, hAsyam, veeram whatever.
(Some say Mano did great post-IR, why not, post-IR which composer bothers about giving "emotional" songs to Mano? What emotions needed to be showcased in, say, veerapANdi kOttaiyilE? or mukkAbullA? or azhagiya lailA? Obviously, why won't Mano sound great there!)
:lol: Hilarious post App. I listened to Mano's version only during my college and couple of later years. First time I watched the movie was in Madurai during summer holidays with my college friends. Later on once I discovered SPB's version I stopped listening to Mano's version, not just Mano's version was bad, it's SPB's version was far ahead.
Plum and Param should be more happy on your post.:smile:
But what a song, right from one second prelude (the shortest and best till date) till the end, this song will leave you speechless, even after the song has stopped long before. There will be pure silence within yourself for long long time.
On the contrary, the first time i heard it, I thought it is probably Mano's worst ever rendition under IR's baton. :-) Infact, you said it yourself - the feel aspect is gone somehow. And the weight given to the words is too heavy, while SPB in telugu, gave a more gentle rendition. And gentle rendition was what the song required too. And SPB was just perfect for/in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
Secondly, I think (and I heard many times) that IR is not (least) involved in the dubbed versions. And in most cases, the decisions for dubbed films are governed by "dates and rates of singers", and not by "which singer is apt for this composition?". I think IR decides about the aptness of a singer, only in the original version. For the dubbed versions, he is hardly involved. Infact, for many Tamil-to-telugu dubbed versions, he was not present in recording (this is what I heard from people who followed his 80s Telugu career diligently) and his assistants just did the job (track singing was in vogue anyway).
There are 100s of examples where the singers were switched from KJY to SPB (& viceversa), SPB to Mano (& viceversa), Chitra to Janaki/Susheela (& viceversa) - given that language barrier is not an issue for any of these singers. It is more of who could the producer afford and which singer was available, to finish the dubbing that day.
As Hub Mano Fan Club president and treasurer, I agree that entire Idhayattai Thirudathe album features lazy efforts from Mano. Before you get excited Plum, I didn't post this in Mano's thread.
App, Raagas - :clap:
Truth needs to be told.
Again and Again.
I think raagas' point on dubbing movies sure does make sense.
Watch out for Teacher Amma(:hattip: appengine) singing "oru poongavanam" like she were singing a blind school prayer in Gharshana(Agni nakshatram). Teacher amma got a lot of Telugu dubbing songs of hit tamil movies in the 80s - which is perplexing considering she literally accused IR of orangattifying her in the 80s.
Raagas' explanation fills in this conundrum - in that, IR might not have been involved in her selection for the telugu version. If he didnt trust her for the tamil version, why would he give the telugu version? Also, the fact that she was less busier and cheaper in the 80s compareed to Janaki, Chitra and Suseela fits in with Raagas' theory.
App, 100% agree with u on mano and idhayathai thirudathey as its my feeling too. actually, SPB was not well during that period so mano got the bumper prize
haiyA!Quote:
Originally Posted by raagas
I had been stating this as a theory (PMP thingy) and nice to see that guess getting partly ratified :-)
Looks like IR was not even in the picture on the dubbing cases :-)
IT had several unintentionally funny elements associated with itQuote:
Originally Posted by V_S
1. Mano's singing was totally clinically executed cold-blooded murder of some of the most original tunes of all times! in tamil, 'o paapa laali' became 'o BAABA laali' (as in 'Baa baa black sheep have u any wool?')!, an energetic 'jagada jagada' became a dull, 'vidiya vidiya' perhaps foreboding the hero's abt-to-be-revealed-sickness!, a sincere soulful 'o priya priya' in telugu by SPB, became a hopeless, desperate, almost self-pitying rendition by Mano in tamil! a self-introspective 'aamani paadave' by SPB became a hopeless 'kaaviyam paadavaa thendraley' tat wud have made any self-respecting breeze cry out 'cudnt they have picked up a better singer to invite me to sing ?'
2.Nagarjuna's perfect non-acting, just completely shoved over by IR's genius and brilliance in every single frame - IR must have been laughing inside and delighted at this oppurtunity to run riot with a mesmerising western classical score to complement PC Sriram's brilliantly executed visuals! this movie completed 100 days in tamil ONLY for IR's music, since Nagarjuna was an absolute stranger in TN!
There were some unintentionally scary scenes when the camera pans in to show his face in such closeup, one could see hairs from his moustache sticking out pefectly horizontally like miniature barbs!
3.the unintentionally ironically hilarious comedy track featuring disco shanthi ! it was hilarious primarily for (i) the mundance stupidity and (ii) once again showcasing Mani Ratnam's pathetic sense of humor, or lack of it, following the distasteful 'comedy' track in Agni natchathiram featuring VKR, Janakaraj n Disco Shanthi - however, despite all of this, IR gave us two memorable themes for these sequences!
Irir123,
Geetanjali had about 55 mins of background score, probably the longest duration in Maniratnam's films. Apparently, Mani Ratnam treated Ilaiyaraaja as this film's hero, right from the time he started filming it, because i remember reading about Maniratnam's penchant for less-dialogue shots in that film. Some of the posters too, did not have faces of actors, but only dark silhouettes and only Ilaiyaraaja's name, along with Maniratnam's name, on the posters.
That hopeless comedy track was missing in many DVDs/Video Casettes/VCDs. Apparently, that track was shot in the last minute, to please the distributors and once the film began ringing cash registers, that whole track was edited out. I remembering seeing the edited out version of the film.
:rotfl:thoroughly enjoyed your post!Quote:
Originally Posted by irir123
To everyone who have thrashed Mano of Idhayaththai Thirudathey - :clap: :thumbsup: :redjump:
I think Geetanjali/IT remains one of the best background scores ever composed in Indian film music atleast in my opinion. One of most commonly overlooked points about that score is the fact that IR uses a predominantly electronic score during the first half of the film while switching over to complete western classical strings based score for the more emotional second half of the film. It is as if two different MD's had scored for the same movie. IR showcases his amazing versatility in dealing with modern electronic sound for bringing out the fun quotient in the first half and going back to his core WCM based score for the emotional second half. Absolute genius work. An absolute masterpiece which will stand the test of time.
Nice posts on Idhayathai Thirudathe. Makes me want to revisit the movie soon. Plum - Who's teacher amma?
As told there by Plumji, I was the culprit who promoted that term when discussing 'ABC nee vAsi' song of OKD. (Now you know who that singer is :wink:)Quote:
Originally Posted by rajkumarc
Oh VJ... never knew her mother tongue was Telugu, thought she was a Tamilian. Need to listen to Oru Poongavanam Telugu version despite Plum's warning :-)
Recently revisited Pazhassi Raja songs. The orchestration (percussion especially) felt so powerful & perfect, a thoroughly satisfying album on all aspects.
Did Plum say that? Or did you read it somewhere? It's news to me :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by rajkumarc
BTW, wiki says:
Quote:
Vani Jayaram was born in Vellore in Tamil Nadu, in a family of musicians. Her mother is the disciple of Ranga Ramunaja Iyengar, a great veena exponent. Kadaloor Sreenivasa Iyengar, who taught Vani’s sister music, was fascinated by her observation and grasping power. He taught her a few Dikshitar kritis when she was hardly five.[2] The fifth daughter in a family of six daughters and three sons, Vani always secretly yearned for a career in film playback singing. Considered to be a child prodigy, Vani Jayaram claims to have recognized the different ragas of Indian classical music before the age of five. Her voice was first heard on All India Radio, Madras, at the age of eight.
Vani Jayaram studied Carnatic music under the tutelage of Kadalur Srinivasa Iyengar, T. R. Balasubramanian and R. S. Mani. Her Hindustani classical music guru was Ustad Abdul Rahman Khan.
After her marriage to Jayaram she settled in Mumbai, where she realized her dream.
Thanks App for clarifying. Based on the previous discussions, I assumed VJ's mother tongue is Telugu...my bad :-)
Strange that VJ got to sing Telugu version of Oru Poongaavanam.
As app clarified, it's Vani-ji, who is, btw, so obviously a tam-brahm. Is it even possible to think otherwise when you get to see her and hear her speak?
Vani-ji ek dum spoiled telugu dubbing versions of tamil hits. Not that they had much going for them - their lyrics usually have an unusual feature not found in regular telugu songs - the tendency to use "antA" as filler at the end of lines. Suresh/raagas might be able to explain why so but to me those lines signify a poor translation effort. To date, I have never found use of that filler in proper telugu original songs.